A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word (303)
reb56: thats,why the bible,is the world best seller&if not true,why is it still around.
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nibblejc: yes the non-believer's place is hell and I have chosen not to land up there!
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I don't think that these claimed prophecies are evident.
How about unfulfilled prophecies?[/quote]
They are either false or to date unfulfilled. Some prophecies have no specific timeline or are set so far into the future most people will not witness their fulfillment.
How about unfulfilled prophecies?[/quote]
They are either false or to date unfulfilled. Some prophecies have no specific timeline or are set so far into the future most people will not witness their fulfillment.
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It isn't wise to accept everything on faith, though I know that Scripture states it is asked of us to have it. God also said in Isa., "Come, let us reason together." He wouldn't have given us minds if He didn't want us to think. :) I don't believe He would expect me not to have any questions and just believe what people tell me. If I could believe everything the Bible said, well then I would know there were 500 witnesses. That's my problem, you see. It was easier to believe in the past before we had all these questions arise. I am sure He understands and won't mind my asking. That is how I came to believe in the first place...by asking questions. No reason I have to stop. I will check out that reference. Thanks!
wixomwizard: I don't! As a believer I accept it on faith. The Bible says there were over 500 eye witnesses to Jesus resurrection. 500 witnesses can't be wrong, in my opinion.
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krimsa: Krimsa waves a big stick.
Morning Krimsa. Still slaying Christians I see.
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How would a believer account for all of the UNFULLFILLED prophecies found in the bible? Case in point.
God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled.[/quote]
As I have already stated, unfulfilled is just that! It means it has'nt come to pass yet. Some prophesies are false, made by false prophets that will never come to pass.
God did keep His promise to Abraham and gave him and his decendants the land of Canaan. God also ordered every man woman and child and beast to be killed in preparation for their possession of the land. It was not entirely done as God ordered, which is why the decendants of those people still live today and are hateful of the Jews and everyone else.
The people's that God ordered slaughtered by the way, practiced child sacrifice among other things, that Creator God hated.
God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled.[/quote]
As I have already stated, unfulfilled is just that! It means it has'nt come to pass yet. Some prophesies are false, made by false prophets that will never come to pass.
God did keep His promise to Abraham and gave him and his decendants the land of Canaan. God also ordered every man woman and child and beast to be killed in preparation for their possession of the land. It was not entirely done as God ordered, which is why the decendants of those people still live today and are hateful of the Jews and everyone else.
The people's that God ordered slaughtered by the way, practiced child sacrifice among other things, that Creator God hated.
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wixomwizard: They are either false or to date unfulfilled. Some prophecies have no specific timeline or are set so far into the future most people will not witness their fulfillment.
Unfulfilled nevertheless.
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calmheartseeks: It isn't wise to accept everything on faith, though I know that Scripture states it is asked of us to have it. God also said in Isa., "Come, let us reason together." He wouldn't have given us minds if He didn't want us to think. :) I don't believe He would expect me not to have any questions and just believe what people tell me. If I could believe everything the Bible said, well then I would know there were 500 witnesses. That's my problem, you see. It was easier to believe in the past before we had all these questions arise. I am sure He understands and won't mind my asking. That is how I came to believe in the first place...by asking questions. No reason I have to stop. I will check out that reference. Thanks!
Believing in God and believing in the bible as the complete and accurate word of God are different. Many people believe in "God" as a higher power but don't believe that the bible should be followed to the letter as the word of God. If we are to accept the bible as the accurate and complete word of god that should followed, then we would still be stoning non-believers. If we are to accept that the old testament should not be followed, then we are drifting from the belief that the bible is the complete and accurate word of god because we are discounting a portion of his words based on our belief that the rules and teachings of the old testament are not acceptable.
See where things start to fall apart?
I'm not saying that all teachings from the bible are bad, just that by ones own belief system as a Christian, that you can't have contradicting rules.
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I don't see any dead bodies, but that was a picturesque description. 
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calmheartseeks: It isn't wise to accept everything on faith, though I know that Scripture states it is asked of us to have it. God also said in Isa., "Come, let us reason together." He wouldn't have given us minds if He didn't want us to think. :) I don't believe He would expect me not to have any questions and just believe what people tell me. If I could believe everything the Bible said, well then I would know there were 500 witnesses. That's my problem, you see. It was easier to believe in the past before we had all these questions arise. I am sure He understands and won't mind my asking. That is how I came to believe in the first place...by asking questions. No reason I have to stop. I will check out that reference. Thanks!
You are correct to question. The Apostle Paul lauded the Ephesians for doing just that...not accepting his word only, but reading texts of the time to see if they agreed with what he was telling them about Christ and other matters that concerned them.
We have all been given the gifts of free will and choice and we are expected to use these gifts wisely. Sadly, most of us don't...myself included.
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emannigol: Unfulfilled nevertheless.
Point is?
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I am still interested in the information you had about the Messianic prophecies. You can send it in an email...and I won't be mad about anything you tell me. :) I really would like to know, to see both sides. I just thought if it was posted here others that were interested would see, but perhaps they are not interested.
Also, if there is a link to the discussion that was held in the past, that would be interesting as well.
Thanks so much!!!
Also, if there is a link to the discussion that was held in the past, that would be interesting as well.
Thanks so much!!!
Paradox67: Believing in God and believing in the bible as the complete and accurate word of God are different. Many people believe in "God" as a higher power but don't believe that the bible should be followed to the letter as the word of God. If we are to accept the bible as the accurate and complete word of god that should followed, then we would still be stoning non-believers. If we are to accept that the old testament should not be followed, then we are drifting from the belief that the bible is the complete and accurate word of god because we are discounting a portion of his words based on our belief that the rules and teachings of the old testament are not acceptable.
See where things start to fall apart?
I'm not saying that all teachings from the bible are bad, just that by ones own belief system as a Christian, that you can't have contradicting rules.
See where things start to fall apart?
I'm not saying that all teachings from the bible are bad, just that by ones own belief system as a Christian, that you can't have contradicting rules.
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calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
And you ignore all of the unfulfilled prophesies within its pages. "Prophets" knew things...clairvoyants, that's all. We have them today, but we don't call them prophets any more. Those people might have been divinely inspired, but that doesn't mean that the book of their writings and many others that Constantinople had written, re-written, and composed by his hand-picked monks to include his agenda of power and greed was divinely anything.
Do some research on the Council of Nicea...you know, "the Nicene Creed" inspiration...and you'll find that it was decided by a vote that Jesus was divine rather than being called a demigod...though one who is supposed to be half human, half divine is a demigod by definition.
We are all part divine...that's where the soul originates...our personal piece of the Divine Energy that is God.
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Conrad73: I hear that often,sadly no one has come up with the "One True Book",and shown it to Humanity.
Possibly because Truth is found within the man who has Fellowship with God, who spends time in God's Presence, who Hears and Obeys the VOICE of God, who is ONE with God in SPIRIT and in Truth.
You can not know this by any Book! It grows and is developed within a man, by disciplining himself to Practice the Presence of God.
God created man in His IMAGE. God is Spirit.
Man in the image of God, is Spirit, contained temporarilly in a flesh body.
There is a realm to be seen with our eyes and also an invisible realm, the spirit realm. The spirit realm is reality and it never ends.
We are only passing through, on a Journey.
The book was meant to be a helpful tool, to help us gain understanding of both worlds, that we may grow and develope into all the fullness of God's Spirit and help others along the way.
Man has turned it into "Religion", which was not intended.
The teachings and traditions of man are not to be followed. We should follow the voice of the Spirit.
Man should seek oneness with that Spirit, which will bring him into oneness with mother earth and everything she has to offer.
Unity can be attained. Balance is key.
I also believe that many "scriptures" have been misinterpreted.
The Spirit shows me this. To gain understanding of them, you must have the Spirit to teach you. It is Impossible to gain the secret knowledge without the Spirit. It is "foolishness" to those who have not the Spirit.
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wixomwizard: Point is?
Which word you didn't understand?
Unfulfilled is unfulfilled; there's no excuse.
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In response to: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
With regard to prophecies, I will use the world trade center as an example. Many people claim that the planes hitting the world trade center fulfilled prophecy. Nostradamus even said: "Fire from the sky" and "Boats gather round". Here is the problem. Fire from the sky has always been part of our history and could mean many things. Meteor, a missile, a plane. Eventually, with man's nature and the nature of the universe, something was eventually going to happen whether it be a natural event such as a meteor, or a man made object such as a missile or plane. When the boats gathered around they did so because it is natural for most humans to come together and help each other in times of tragedy. So the captains or the boats gathered around to help.
Prophecy could be viewed as the external expression of what humans know to be true about themselves, others, and the universe.
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nibblejc: Yes, I do respect that. It is your choice and I hope you make the right one. Its up to you!
And you call this respecting it? There's only one right choice? 
I am not a Christian, I am a Pagan, and a Spiritualist. I made the "choice" that was right for me. There is no absolute right and wrong, just right and wrong for each individual.
I believe in God, but not as a "He" or even a "She"...but "It". Divine Energy. If mankind was made in God's image, and we're both male and female, how can God have a gender? If God is omnipotent and omnipresent, how can God have gender or form? God is Energy, as are we...and that's why we're "created in God's image". We each have a part of that divine spark of God in us...our soul.
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HealthyLiving: Possibly because Truth is found within the man who has Fellowship with God, who spends time in God's Presence, who Hears and Obeys the VOICE of God, who is ONE with God in SPIRIT and in Truth.
You can not know this by any Book! It grows and is developed within a man, by disciplining himself to Practice the Presence of God.
God created man in His IMAGE. God is Spirit.
Man in the image of God, is Spirit, contained temporarilly in a flesh body.
There is a realm to be seen with our eyes and also an invisible realm, the spirit realm. The spirit realm is reality and it never ends.
We are only passing through, on a Journey.
The book was meant to be a helpful tool, to help us gain understanding of both worlds, that we may grow and develope into all the fullness of God's Spirit and help others along the way.
Man has turned it into "Religion", which was not intended.
The teachings and traditions of man are not to be followed. We should follow the voice of the Spirit.
Man should seek oneness with that Spirit, which will bring him into oneness with mother earth and everything she has to offer.
Unity can be attained. Balance is key.
I also believe that many "scriptures" have been misinterpreted.
The Spirit shows me this. To gain understanding of them, you must have the Spirit to teach you. It is Impossible to gain the secret knowledge without the Spirit. It is "foolishness" to those who have not the Spirit.
You can not know this by any Book! It grows and is developed within a man, by disciplining himself to Practice the Presence of God.
God created man in His IMAGE. God is Spirit.
Man in the image of God, is Spirit, contained temporarilly in a flesh body.
There is a realm to be seen with our eyes and also an invisible realm, the spirit realm. The spirit realm is reality and it never ends.
We are only passing through, on a Journey.
The book was meant to be a helpful tool, to help us gain understanding of both worlds, that we may grow and develope into all the fullness of God's Spirit and help others along the way.
Man has turned it into "Religion", which was not intended.
The teachings and traditions of man are not to be followed. We should follow the voice of the Spirit.
Man should seek oneness with that Spirit, which will bring him into oneness with mother earth and everything she has to offer.
Unity can be attained. Balance is key.
I also believe that many "scriptures" have been misinterpreted.
The Spirit shows me this. To gain understanding of them, you must have the Spirit to teach you. It is Impossible to gain the secret knowledge without the Spirit. It is "foolishness" to those who have not the Spirit.
Hi, HL...and thank you, you've worded it very well, and I agree with you on many points.
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Excuse me? I didn't ignore the unfufilled prophecies just because I asked about the ones that were claimed to be fulfilled. Please don't jump to conclusions.
druidess6308: And you ignore all of the unfulfilled prophesies within its pages. "Prophets" knew things...clairvoyants, that's all. We have them today, but we don't call them prophets any more. Those people might have been divinely inspired, but that doesn't mean that the book of their writings and many others that Constantinople had written, re-written, and composed by his hand-picked monks to include his agenda of power and greed was divinely anything.
Do some research on the Council of Nicea...you know, "the Nicene Creed" inspiration...and you'll find that it was decided by a vote that Jesus was divine rather than being called a demigod...though one who is supposed to be half human, half divine is a demigod by definition.
We are all part divine...that's where the soul originates...our personal piece of the Divine Energy that is God.
Do some research on the Council of Nicea...you know, "the Nicene Creed" inspiration...and you'll find that it was decided by a vote that Jesus was divine rather than being called a demigod...though one who is supposed to be half human, half divine is a demigod by definition.
We are all part divine...that's where the soul originates...our personal piece of the Divine Energy that is God.
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Yes, god allegedly gives us "free will" and then hangs lakes of fire and eternal damnation over our head's if we fail to make the "right decision."