A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word (303)
This is how I see it.
The bible is allegorical. Symbolic narrative. That is why it has been around so long. It is lasting to interpretation. Those who believe the word of God understand this can teach and guide others. Those that don't believe are sadly left to suffer the effects of the cause of their own making. The hell of fire and eternal damnation are symbolic of going around in circles eternally of chosing the belief of the non-believing ego. Their choices are contention and hatred of the idea of a God, the Creator because they want to believe that they are the cause and maker of this world without the acknowledgment of God.
Jesus was given to the world to help teach about the Spirit and it's pathway to God to all of us who have forgotten about Him. The believers wanted to 'get it' and the non-believers are still circling.
The symbolism points out the good and the bad idea/thoughts in the book. Jesus taught in a simple way the idea/thought of the cause and effect of our choice to believe in this idea and the resulting good or bad effects because of our two choices of thought. Choice of Ego/no God or Choice of Spirit/God-Creation.
The bible is allegorical. Symbolic narrative. That is why it has been around so long. It is lasting to interpretation. Those who believe the word of God understand this can teach and guide others. Those that don't believe are sadly left to suffer the effects of the cause of their own making. The hell of fire and eternal damnation are symbolic of going around in circles eternally of chosing the belief of the non-believing ego. Their choices are contention and hatred of the idea of a God, the Creator because they want to believe that they are the cause and maker of this world without the acknowledgment of God.
Jesus was given to the world to help teach about the Spirit and it's pathway to God to all of us who have forgotten about Him. The believers wanted to 'get it' and the non-believers are still circling.
The symbolism points out the good and the bad idea/thoughts in the book. Jesus taught in a simple way the idea/thought of the cause and effect of our choice to believe in this idea and the resulting good or bad effects because of our two choices of thought. Choice of Ego/no God or Choice of Spirit/God-Creation.
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krimsa: Yes, god allegedly gives us "free will" and then hangs lakes of fire and eternal damnation over our head's if we fail to make the "right decision."
God made a way for man to be enabled to choose the right decisions. He gave man His Spirit. If man would listen to the voice of the Spirit within him, his decisions would be those he was meant to make.
Self-centered and prideful man, wants to disregard this way and make his own decisions. This is why man gets himself into so many messes. Man chooses to be his own God, doing his own will.
Yes, there are consequences to face for doing so. They are lessons to be learned on the pathway of life. Hopefully, to bring man into understanding that the Great Spirit wants to help him on his journey.
Man has hardened his heart against God.
God wants us to have Unity with Him.
Living a life separated from God, (not in Unity) is the only so called "sin".
Would you really expect to live forever in the Presence of the Great Spirit whom you never Knew? It would be as if walking into a strangers house and telling him, "I have come here to live in your home." Surely he will kick you out!
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calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
Ever ask a Jew about this?
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I am curious. Is the Spirit you refer to the Holy Spirit (what I mean is, is that the connection you make)? Does the Spirit tell you that Jesus is God (the third person of the Godhead)? If you believe all the Spirit tells you, how can you be sure if is not a wrong Spirit and you may be deceived?
I am not saying you are! I am very familiar with seeking God within and listening to the heart. I was wondering how you reconciled the Spirit with what Scripture says and Jesus. I have trouble with "believing" the Bible is not God's Word but that the Christian God is still the true God, see what I mean? Jesus is God or He isn't. Simple.
I am not saying you are! I am very familiar with seeking God within and listening to the heart. I was wondering how you reconciled the Spirit with what Scripture says and Jesus. I have trouble with "believing" the Bible is not God's Word but that the Christian God is still the true God, see what I mean? Jesus is God or He isn't. Simple.
HealthyLiving: Possibly because Truth is found within the man who has Fellowship with God, who spends time in God's Presence, who Hears and Obeys the VOICE of God, who is ONE with God in SPIRIT and in Truth.
You can not know this by any Book! It grows and is developed within a man, by disciplining himself to Practice the Presence of God.
God created man in His IMAGE. God is Spirit.
Man in the image of God, is Spirit, contained temporarilly in a flesh body.
There is a realm to be seen with our eyes and also an invisible realm, the spirit realm. The spirit realm is reality and it never ends.
We are only passing through, on a Journey.
The book was meant to be a helpful tool, to help us gain understanding of both worlds, that we may grow and develope into all the fullness of God's Spirit and help others along the way.
Man has turned it into "Religion", which was not intended.
The teachings and traditions of man are not to be followed. We should follow the voice of the Spirit.
Man should seek oneness with that Spirit, which will bring him into oneness with mother earth and everything she has to offer.
Unity can be attained. Balance is key.
I also believe that many "scriptures" have been misinterpreted.
The Spirit shows me this. To gain understanding of them, you must have the Spirit to teach you. It is Impossible to gain the secret knowledge without the Spirit. It is "foolishness" to those who have not the Spirit.
You can not know this by any Book! It grows and is developed within a man, by disciplining himself to Practice the Presence of God.
God created man in His IMAGE. God is Spirit.
Man in the image of God, is Spirit, contained temporarilly in a flesh body.
There is a realm to be seen with our eyes and also an invisible realm, the spirit realm. The spirit realm is reality and it never ends.
We are only passing through, on a Journey.
The book was meant to be a helpful tool, to help us gain understanding of both worlds, that we may grow and develope into all the fullness of God's Spirit and help others along the way.
Man has turned it into "Religion", which was not intended.
The teachings and traditions of man are not to be followed. We should follow the voice of the Spirit.
Man should seek oneness with that Spirit, which will bring him into oneness with mother earth and everything she has to offer.
Unity can be attained. Balance is key.
I also believe that many "scriptures" have been misinterpreted.
The Spirit shows me this. To gain understanding of them, you must have the Spirit to teach you. It is Impossible to gain the secret knowledge without the Spirit. It is "foolishness" to those who have not the Spirit.
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No, I read your whole post. You jumped to conclusions again. And just because I didn't mention something, doesn't mean I ignored it.
I was focusing on fulfilled Scripture because that can be a proof - it has meaning. If something is unfulfilled, it can always be said it will be fulfilled in the future.
I have been replying to a lot of posts. If there was something else you wanted me to respond to and I didn't, I apologize. I am tired and have been up all night.
I was focusing on fulfilled Scripture because that can be a proof - it has meaning. If something is unfulfilled, it can always be said it will be fulfilled in the future.
I have been replying to a lot of posts. If there was something else you wanted me to respond to and I didn't, I apologize. I am tired and have been up all night.
druidess6308: Did you read and pay any attention to the rest of my post, or stop there because you found that offensive? It wasn't meant to be offensive, and your OP did ignore them.
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wixomwizard: How would a believer account for all of the UNFULLFILLED prophecies found in the bible? Case in point.
God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled.
As I have already stated, unfulfilled is just that! It means it has'nt come to pass yet. Some prophesies are false, made by false prophets that will never come to pass.
God did keep His promise to Abraham and gave him and his decendants the land of Canaan. God also ordered every man woman and child and beast to be killed in preparation for their possession of the land. It was not entirely done as God ordered, which is why the decendants of those people still live today and are hateful of the Jews and everyone else.
The people's that God ordered slaughtered by the way, practiced child sacrifice among other things, that Creator God hated.
God promises Abram and his descendants all of the land of Canaan. But both history and the bible show that God's promise to Abram was not fulfilled.
As I have already stated, unfulfilled is just that! It means it has'nt come to pass yet. Some prophesies are false, made by false prophets that will never come to pass.
God did keep His promise to Abraham and gave him and his decendants the land of Canaan. God also ordered every man woman and child and beast to be killed in preparation for their possession of the land. It was not entirely done as God ordered, which is why the decendants of those people still live today and are hateful of the Jews and everyone else.
The people's that God ordered slaughtered by the way, practiced child sacrifice among other things, that Creator God hated.
So you are saying it hasn't come to pass YET and that’s the excuse? Well couldn’t you just make this claim of ANY unfulfilled prophecy?? Also, this was promised by GOD to Abraham. Hardly a "false prophet."
You also seem to be implying that the only reason this prophecy was not fulfilled (at the time it was supposed to be) was because god's rules for proper land allocation were not followed closely enough and every last man, woman, child, infant and animal wasn’t brutally slaughtered.
So now we are stuck with the Palestinians or the descendants of Ishmael. Is that what you are implying sir? I guess you aren’t scoring any points for your "loving god" right now.
In response to: The people's that God ordered slaughtered by the way, practiced child sacrifice among other things, that Creator God hated.
Is that a fact? Would that still legitimize killing every human that occupied Canaan at the time? What about the children and animals? Are you attempting to imply here that Christians never practiced human sacrifice?
Exodus 22:29
Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
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No, but I have been reading why they did not accept Jesus and also the viewpoint that they will in the future. :)
StressFree: Ever ask a Jew about this?
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wixomwizard: I don't think that these claimed prophecies are evident.
How about unfulfilled prophecies?
They are either false or to date unfulfilled. Some prophecies have no specific timeline or are set so far into the future most people will not witness their fulfillment.
How about unfulfilled prophecies?
They are either false or to date unfulfilled. Some prophecies have no specific timeline or are set so far into the future most people will not witness their fulfillment.
Cop out....
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calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
Thers no proof of any prophesises. Jesuse was a Hebrew=Jewish.
The Bible was written at a time Of Pure Ignorence.
So If I was {Mined Freak} and did all those Magician Tricks 2000yrs ago I would be considered A GOD or Jesuse.
Ther are 100eds of religions on this Earth.
They all claim to have A GOD.
So christians Are right and the rest are Clueless?
In Time of great need GOD will never save YOU.
This is A Honest and Truethfull Reply.
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HealthyLiving: Possibly because Truth is found within the man who has Fellowship with God, who spends time in God's Presence, who Hears and Obeys the VOICE of God, who is ONE with God in SPIRIT and in Truth.
You can not know this by any Book! It grows and is developed within a man, by disciplining himself to Practice the Presence of God.
God created man in His IMAGE. God is Spirit.
Man in the image of God, is Spirit, contained temporarilly in a flesh body.
There is a realm to be seen with our eyes and also an invisible realm, the spirit realm. The spirit realm is reality and it never ends.
We are only passing through, on a Journey.
The book was meant to be a helpful tool, to help us gain understanding of both worlds, that we may grow and develope into all the fullness of God's Spirit and help others along the way.
Man has turned it into "Religion", which was not intended.
The teachings and traditions of man are not to be followed. We should follow the voice of the Spirit.
Man should seek oneness with that Spirit, which will bring him into oneness with mother earth and everything she has to offer.
Unity can be attained. Balance is key.
I also believe that many "scriptures" have been misinterpreted.
The Spirit shows me this. To gain understanding of them, you must have the Spirit to teach you. It is Impossible to gain the secret knowledge without the Spirit. It is "foolishness" to those who have not the Spirit.
Very well said.You can not know this by any Book! It grows and is developed within a man, by disciplining himself to Practice the Presence of God.
God created man in His IMAGE. God is Spirit.
Man in the image of God, is Spirit, contained temporarilly in a flesh body.
There is a realm to be seen with our eyes and also an invisible realm, the spirit realm. The spirit realm is reality and it never ends.
We are only passing through, on a Journey.
The book was meant to be a helpful tool, to help us gain understanding of both worlds, that we may grow and develope into all the fullness of God's Spirit and help others along the way.
Man has turned it into "Religion", which was not intended.
The teachings and traditions of man are not to be followed. We should follow the voice of the Spirit.
Man should seek oneness with that Spirit, which will bring him into oneness with mother earth and everything she has to offer.
Unity can be attained. Balance is key.
I also believe that many "scriptures" have been misinterpreted.
The Spirit shows me this. To gain understanding of them, you must have the Spirit to teach you. It is Impossible to gain the secret knowledge without the Spirit. It is "foolishness" to those who have not the Spirit.
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calmheartseeks: No, but I have been reading why they did not accept Jesus and also the viewpoint that they will in the future. :)
You believe in the rapture?
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calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
Let me ask you this question ,how do you account for the fulfilled prophases of Nostradamus ???I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
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calmheartseeks: I am curious. Is the Spirit you refer to the Holy Spirit (what I mean is, is that the connection you make)? Does the Spirit tell you that Jesus is God (the third person of the Godhead)? If you believe all the Spirit tells you, how can you be sure if is not a wrong Spirit and you may be deceived?
I am not saying you are! I am very familiar with seeking God within and listening to the heart. I was wondering how you reconciled the Spirit with what Scripture says and Jesus. I have trouble with "believing" the Bible is not God's Word but that the Christian God is still the true God, see what I mean? Jesus is God or He isn't. Simple.
I am not saying you are! I am very familiar with seeking God within and listening to the heart. I was wondering how you reconciled the Spirit with what Scripture says and Jesus. I have trouble with "believing" the Bible is not God's Word but that the Christian God is still the true God, see what I mean? Jesus is God or He isn't. Simple.
Yes, I am one with the Trinity. Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit lives within us, speaks to us and teaches us.
Joh 14:10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? What I'm telling you doesn't come from me. The Father, who lives in me, does what he wants.
Joh 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and that the Father is in me. Otherwise, believe me because of the things I do.
Joh 14:12 "I can guarantee this truth: Those who believe in me will do the things that I am doing. They will do even greater things because I am going to the Father.
Joh 14:13 I will do anything you ask the Father in my name so that the Father will be given glory because of the Son.
Joh 14:14 If you ask me to do something, I will do it.
Joh 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey my commandments.
Joh 14:16 I will ask the Father, and he will give you another helper who will be with you forever.
Joh 14:17 That helper is the Spirit of Truth. The world cannot accept him, because it doesn't see or know him. You know him, because he lives with you and will be in you.
Joh 14:18 "I will not leave you all alone. I will come back to you.
Joh 14:19 In a little while the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. You will live because I live.
Joh 14:20 On that day you will know that I am in my Father and that you are in me and that I am in you.
Joh 14:21 Whoever knows and obeys my commandments is the person who loves me. Those who love me will have my Father's love, and I, too, will love them and show myself to them."
Joh 14:22 Judas (not Iscariot) asked Jesus, "Lord, what has happened that you are going to reveal yourself to us and not to the world?"
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered him, "Those who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will go to them and make our home with them.
Joh 14:24 A person who doesn't love me doesn't do what I say. I don't make up what you hear me say. What I say comes from the Father who sent me.
Joh 14:25 "I have told you this while I'm still with you.
Joh 14:26 However, the helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you everything. He will remind you of everything that I have ever told you.
Joh 15:17 My commandment is this: love one another.
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calmheartseeks: No, but I have been reading why they did not accept Jesus and also the viewpoint that they will in the future. :)
They didn’t accept him as the Messiah for a multitude of reasons. I will list some here but there are TONS. The Hebrew were sticklers for the details, let’s put it that way.
1) Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
2) Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
3) Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
4) Jewish belief is based on national revelation.
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Good morning crotalus. Welcome to the battle. 
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emannigol: Which word you didn't understand?
Unfulfilled is unfulfilled; there's no excuse.
Unfulfilled is unfulfilled; there's no excuse.
Psalms 17:28 Romans 1:22
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calmheartseeks: I am curious. Is the Spirit you refer to the Holy Spirit (what I mean is, is that the connection you make)? Does the Spirit tell you that Jesus is God (the third person of the Godhead)? If you believe all the Spirit tells you, how can you be sure if is not a wrong Spirit and you may be deceived?
I am not saying you are! I am very familiar with seeking God within and listening to the heart. I was wondering how you reconciled the Spirit with what Scripture says and Jesus. I have trouble with "believing" the Bible is not God's Word but that the Christian God is still the true God, see what I mean? Jesus is God or He isn't. Simple.
I am not saying you are! I am very familiar with seeking God within and listening to the heart. I was wondering how you reconciled the Spirit with what Scripture says and Jesus. I have trouble with "believing" the Bible is not God's Word but that the Christian God is still the true God, see what I mean? Jesus is God or He isn't. Simple.
To me, it's easy because I don't believe in the Christian God, per se. I don't see God the way Christianity defines it. And I see Jesus as one of the many Enlightened Ones/Ascended Masters...same as Buddha and Kwan Yin...not as "God", but as a part of God, same as me.
It sounds as if you're trying to reconcile being a Christian, but not believing in the bible...and I don't know if that can be non-contradictory or not. You have to find the right answers to you...what feels right within you. It can take a lifetime of seeking for that. I finally stopped trying to conform to society by being a Christian, and went true to my beliefs at 40. It felt so much more peaceful not to try to put myself in a mold that didn't fit me.
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This is my first encounter with you in the forums and I wanted to extend my hand in fellowship with you. It is a blessing to meet you Donna!
Good Morning Dru, krimsa and Dusty!!!
Such brain strain so early on a Saturday morning to go along with a hot cup of java! 
Hi Tony!
Carry on...
This is a good thread!
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Hello crot!
Good Morning Dru, krimsa and Dusty!!!Such brain strain so early on a Saturday morning to go along with a hot cup of java!
Hi Tony! Carry on...
This is a good thread!
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