Michael211_2000: Uhmm... then what does that make Nostradamas? If you write them just right, significantly vague enough with lots of colorful words, practically any event can seem to have been prophesized (after the fact!).
When somebody comes up with a prophesy regarding the name of the horse that will next win at Delta Downs, now THAT I'd like to know about JUST BEFORE it happens!
ps. But please, let's keep that prophesy just between me and you ok?
- Michael ("American by birth, Texan by the Grace of God!")
Didn't that 'name of the horse' thing already happen?" Yeah, "Back to the Future 2." That turned out real well!
reggipops: Yes the word of God IS TRUE but over the centuries the translation of the True scriptures have been manipulated to suit those who want us to beleive their translation and the way of doing the word od God is the true and only original translation of the word of God.So in my opinion the bible is corrupt but the word of God is true but manipulated by man. Regards Reg
wow, well put. wouldn't god do something about that though? I mean the bible curse is a little stupid but... surely god would find a way to get his true word through, wouldn't he?
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sauriancleric: wow, well put. wouldn't god do something about that though? I mean the bible curse is a little stupid but... surely god would find a way to get his true word through, wouldn't he?
Yes, He sure would... ...And He Did!
1Jn 1:1 The Word of life existed from the beginning. We have heard it. We have seen it. We observed and touched it. 1Jn 1:2 This life was revealed to us. We have seen it, and we testify about it. We are reporting to you about this eternal life that was in the presence of the Father and was revealed to us. 1Jn 1:3 This is the life we have seen and heard. We are reporting about it to you also so that you, too, can have a relationship with us. Our relationship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. 1Jn 1:4 We are writing this so that we can be completely filled with joy. 1Jn 1:5 This is the message we heard from Christ and are reporting to you: God is light, and there isn't any darkness in him. 1Jn 1:6 If we say, "We have a relationship with God" and yet live in the dark, we're lying. We aren't being truthful. 1Jn 1:7 But if we live in the light in the same way that God is in the light, we have a relationship with each other. And the blood of his Son Jesus cleanses us from every sin. 1Jn 1:8 If we say, "We aren't sinful" we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1Jn 1:9 God is faithful and reliable. If we confess our sins, he forgives them and cleanses us from everything we've done wrong. 1Jn 1:10 If we say, "We have never sinned," we turn God into a liar and his Word is not in us.
calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
To answer your question: I guess you would have to believe in the New Testament first - which I do not - so "prophesies" written about Jesus are a moot point.
The Reasons:
Pretty easy to create fulfilled prophesies when the first book relating to Jesus in existance ~ 310years after the "Messiah" lived. (No "witnessed" accounts)
The accounts of the life of Jesus, who spoke in Aramaic, were written down in Greek, between about the year seventy until about the year ninety, and then they were copied and recopied by hand for two hundred and fifty years, before they were written down in a book that lasted, that has not turned to dust. In other words, many people could have changed and altered the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke before the year 350. And they are the only sources of information about the life of Jesus.
Antony Flew, a key champion of atheism for more than fifty years—announced late last year that he has come to believe that there really is a God, on account of the intelligent design of the universe and life forms.
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He used the facts presented to him by science. This is quite common for atheists to change their belief when they honestly seek the truth.
MrMajik1: Antony Flew, a key champion of atheism for more than fifty years—announced late last year that he has come to believe that there really is a God, on account of the intelligent design of the universe and life forms.
Here is the link to the article: (change xxx to www) xxx.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1157962435115&pagename=Zone-English-HealthScience%2FHSELayout
He used the facts presented to him by science. This is quite common for atheists to change their belief when they honestly seek the truth.
Just my .02 worth
My Hip used Science too last time! Who are you trying to fool,but yourself.
Paradox67: Believing in God and believing in the bible as the complete and accurate word of God are different. Many people believe in "God" as a higher power but don't believe that the bible should be followed to the letter as the word of God. If we are to accept the bible as the accurate and complete word of god that should followed, then we would still be stoning non-believers. If we are to accept that the old testament should not be followed, then we are drifting from the belief that the bible is the complete and accurate word of god because we are discounting a portion of his words based on our belief that the rules and teachings of the old testament are not acceptable.
See where things start to fall apart?
I'm not saying that all teachings from the bible are bad, just that by ones own belief system as a Christian, that you can't have contradicting rules.
I don't see where anything is falling apart. The Bible states -- not I -- that we no longer live under the Old Testament Law. That Christ came to FULFILL the law, which he did by taking our sins upon Himself. Romans 8.1- 2 "There is therefore no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,…for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has made me free from the law of sin & death" (the old Levitical law. Read the rest of the Romans 8.) If we still live under Old Testament law, then we have made Christs' sacrifice for our sins null & void, & have insulted His sacrifice. "For our salvation is not by works (of the law), lest any man should boast" Ephesians 2.9.
RillyNiceGuy: I WILL REPEAT IT IF NEEDED. DO YOU NOT KNOW ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND IT. IF NOT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYTHING OF GOD AND THE FAITH. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN ASKED THE FIRST TIME AND OBEYED......THERE WOULD BE NO FORGIVEN AND GRACE TO ETERNAL LIFE. ALL WOULD DIE FOREVER...INCLUDING THE CHILD. BUT BY FAITH WAS IT COUNTED FOR RIGHTOUSNESS AND A SON WAS GIVEN FOR US AS PAYMENT FOR OUR SINS. WOULD YOU LET ALL DIE INCLUDING YOUR CHILD FOR THE SAKE OF A VAPOR THAT PASSES AWAY. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.....SHUT UP AND READ YOUR BIBLE!GOD DID NOT ALLOW THE DEATH OF THE CHILD AND WOULD NOT ALLOW MINE TO DIE EITHER......SO MY FAITH IS WEAKER THAT HIM OF PAST WHO DID NOT KNOW BUT BELIEVED WITHOUT EVIDENCE.
Hey! NiceGuy! You are NOT being harsh. You are saying what you do out of love for these people but they don't understand the TRUTH cos it is Spiritually discerned. It's not something you learn in your head, its something that must be revealed to a person by the Holy Spirit & if they are not willing to recieve it, there is nothing we can say to change their mind. God said men who constantly reject the TRUTH (which is Jesus) will be turned over to a perverted mind & be damned. I super admire your FAITH in God, dude! So few Saints would trust God enough to offer their child to Him. Like David, you are a man after God's own heart. Preach on! javascript:emot('');
You're starting at the wrong point and taking too much for granted. If you truly want answers, then consult your heart not some book or regurgitated words from some source other than yourself. Until you do this...you are lost.
Lee464: You're starting at the wrong point and taking too much for granted. If you truly want answers, then consult your heart not some book or regurgitated words from some source other than yourself. Until you do this...you are lost.
calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture?
Donna
I'm a believer but if I wasn't I would just say the old testament was written 1st, whoever wrote the NT read the OT and wrote the NT to line up with it.
Abraham came from the Sumerian city of Ur. TThe Sumerians had the first anthropomorphic gods thousands of years before the Bible. Their Gods, the Annunakki, made man from clay and called him "a-Dom".
They were displeased with the way the world was headed and destroyed the Earth with a flood. One man survived by building a boat.
The Assyrians, the conquerors of the Sumerians, took ths idea as well, and to add to their story, a fella named Sargon, was placed in a basket made of reeds and sent floating down a river where he eventually became a king.
Remember, these stories come from the city of UR where Abraham came from.
Humans need something to explain (or blame) the unexplainable.
There are NO contemporary writers of Jesus' time. Not one. The NT was written long after his supposed life time.
Paul/Saul of Tarsus wrote more than 50% of the New Testament, an he never, NOT ONCE, mentions any specifics of Jesus miracles, life, or ministry.
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When somebody comes up with a prophesy regarding the name of the horse that will next win at Delta Downs, now THAT I'd like to know about JUST BEFORE it happens!
ps. But please, let's keep that prophesy just between me and you ok?
- Michael ("American by birth, Texan by the Grace of God!")
Didn't that 'name of the horse' thing already happen?" Yeah, "Back to the Future 2." That turned out real well!