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Apr 5, 2009 7:36 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
buzzy
buzzybuzzybiddeford, Maine USA24 Threads 1,492 Posts
Michael211_2000: Uhmm... then what does that make Nostradamas? If you write them just right, significantly vague enough with lots of colorful words, practically any event can seem to have been prophesized (after the fact!).

When somebody comes up with a prophesy regarding the name of the horse that will next win at Delta Downs, now THAT I'd like to know about JUST BEFORE it happens!

ps. But please, let's keep that prophesy just between me and you ok?

- Michael ("American by birth, Texan by the Grace of God!")


Didn't that 'name of the horse' thing already happen?" Yeah, "Back to the Future 2." That turned out real well! laugh
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Apr 5, 2009 8:35 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
sauriancleric
saurianclericsaurianclericGrass Valley, California USA13 Posts
reggipops: Yes the word of God IS TRUE but over the centuries the translation of the True scriptures have been manipulated to suit those who want us to beleive their translation and the way of doing the word od God is the true and only original translation of the word of God.So in my opinion the bible is corrupt but the word of God is true but manipulated by man.
Regards
Reg


wow, well put. wouldn't god do something about that though? I mean the bible curse is a little stupid but... surely god would find a way to get his true word through, wouldn't he?
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Apr 5, 2009 9:31 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
sauriancleric: wow, well put. wouldn't god do something about that though? I mean the bible curse is a little stupid but... surely god would find a way to get his true word through, wouldn't he?



Yes, He sure would...
...And He Did!

1Jn 1:1 The Word of life existed from the beginning. We have heard it. We have seen it. We observed and touched it.
1Jn 1:2 This life was revealed to us. We have seen it, and we testify about it. We are reporting to you about this eternal life that was in the presence of the Father and was revealed to us.
1Jn 1:3 This is the life we have seen and heard. We are reporting about it to you also so that you, too, can have a relationship with us. Our relationship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.
1Jn 1:4 We are writing this so that we can be completely filled with joy.
1Jn 1:5 This is the message we heard from Christ and are reporting to you: God is light, and there isn't any darkness in him.
1Jn 1:6 If we say, "We have a relationship with God" and yet live in the dark, we're lying. We aren't being truthful.
1Jn 1:7 But if we live in the light in the same way that God is in the light, we have a relationship with each other. And the blood of his Son Jesus cleanses us from every sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say, "We aren't sinful" we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Jn 1:9 God is faithful and reliable. If we confess our sins, he forgives them and cleanses us from everything we've done wrong.
1Jn 1:10 If we say, "We have never sinned," we turn God into a liar and his Word is not in us.
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Apr 6, 2009 4:29 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
GoodHeartforYou
GoodHeartforYouGoodHeartforYouEarth, Alaska USA5 Threads 4 Polls 218 Posts
calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.

I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.

Happy connecting!

Donna



To answer your question: I guess you would have to believe in the New Testament first - which I do not - so "prophesies" written about Jesus are a moot point.

The Reasons:

Pretty easy to create fulfilled prophesies when the first book relating to Jesus in existance ~ 310years after the "Messiah" lived. (No "witnessed" accounts)

The accounts of the life of Jesus, who spoke in Aramaic, were written down in Greek, between about the year seventy until about the year ninety, and then they were copied and recopied by hand for two hundred and fifty years, before they were written down in a book that lasted, that has not turned to dust. In other words, many people could have changed and altered the Gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke before the year 350. And they are the only sources of information about the life of Jesus.
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Apr 7, 2009 6:22 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
MrMajik1
MrMajik1MrMajik1Grand Rapids, Michigan USA1 Posts
Antony Flew, a key champion of atheism for more than fifty years—announced late last year that he has come to believe that there really is a God, on account of the intelligent design of the universe and life forms.

Here is the link to the article: (change xxx to www)
xxx.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1157962435115&pagename=Zone-English-HealthScience%2FHSELayout

He used the facts presented to him by science. This is quite common for atheists to change their belief when they honestly seek the truth.

Just my .02 worth
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Apr 7, 2009 6:43 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
MrMajik1: Antony Flew, a key champion of atheism for more than fifty years—announced late last year that he has come to believe that there really is a God, on account of the intelligent design of the universe and life forms.

Here is the link to the article: (change xxx to www)
xxx.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?c=Article_C&cid=1157962435115&pagename=Zone-English-HealthScience%2FHSELayout

He used the facts presented to him by science. This is quite common for atheists to change their belief when they honestly seek the truth.

Just my .02 worth
My Hip used Science too last time!
Who are you trying to fool,but yourself.professor
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Apr 15, 2009 10:53 AM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
markbikes
markbikesmarkbikesdublin, Dublin Ireland1 Threads 1 Polls 35 Posts
Hello, this is a dating site. Not a church. Do you understand that prophecie.
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Apr 15, 2009 6:59 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
Godslave
GodslaveGodslaveNowhere, North Carolina USA7 Threads 106 Posts
Paradox67: Believing in God and believing in the bible as the complete and accurate word of God are different. Many people believe in "God" as a higher power but don't believe that the bible should be followed to the letter as the word of God. If we are to accept the bible as the accurate and complete word of god that should followed, then we would still be stoning non-believers. If we are to accept that the old testament should not be followed, then we are drifting from the belief that the bible is the complete and accurate word of god because we are discounting a portion of his words based on our belief that the rules and teachings of the old testament are not acceptable.

See where things start to fall apart?

I'm not saying that all teachings from the bible are bad, just that by ones own belief system as a Christian, that you can't have contradicting rules.


I don't see where anything is falling apart. The Bible states -- not I -- that we no longer live under the Old Testament Law. That Christ came to FULFILL the law, which he did by taking our sins upon Himself. Romans 8.1- 2 "There is therefore no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,…for the law of the Spirit of life in Christ has made me free from the law of sin & death" (the old Levitical law. Read the rest of the Romans 8.)
If we still live under Old Testament law, then we have made Christs' sacrifice for our sins null & void, & have insulted His sacrifice. "For our salvation is not by works (of the law), lest any man should boast" Ephesians 2.9.
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Apr 15, 2009 7:21 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
Godslave
GodslaveGodslaveNowhere, North Carolina USA7 Threads 106 Posts
RillyNiceGuy: I WILL REPEAT IT IF NEEDED. DO YOU NOT KNOW ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND IT. IF NOT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYTHING OF GOD AND THE FAITH. IF IT HAD NOT BEEN ASKED THE FIRST TIME AND OBEYED......THERE WOULD BE NO FORGIVEN AND GRACE TO ETERNAL LIFE. ALL WOULD DIE FOREVER...INCLUDING THE CHILD. BUT BY FAITH WAS IT COUNTED FOR RIGHTOUSNESS AND A SON WAS GIVEN FOR US AS PAYMENT FOR OUR SINS. WOULD YOU LET ALL DIE INCLUDING YOUR CHILD FOR THE SAKE OF A VAPOR THAT PASSES AWAY. IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS.....SHUT UP AND READ YOUR BIBLE!GOD DID NOT ALLOW THE DEATH OF THE CHILD AND WOULD NOT ALLOW MINE TO DIE EITHER......SO MY FAITH IS WEAKER THAT HIM OF PAST WHO DID NOT KNOW BUT BELIEVED WITHOUT EVIDENCE.


Hey! NiceGuy! You are NOT being harsh. You are saying what you do out of love for these people but they don't understand the TRUTH cos it is Spiritually discerned. It's not something you learn in your head, its something that must be revealed to a person by the Holy Spirit & if they are not willing to recieve it, there is nothing we can say to change their mind. God said men who constantly reject the TRUTH (which is Jesus) will be turned over to a perverted mind & be damned.
I super admire your FAITH in God, dude! So few Saints would trust God enough to offer their child to Him. Like David, you are a man after God's own heart.
Preach on! javascript:emot('peace');
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Apr 15, 2009 7:25 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
livinglarge
livinglargelivinglargein a good place, Kildare Ireland10 Threads 5,879 Posts
How do you solve a problem like Maria roll eyes
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Apr 23, 2009 4:29 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
Lee464
Lee464Lee464Surin, Northeastern Thailand Thailand4 Threads 1 Polls 397 Posts
You're starting at the wrong point and taking too much for granted. If you truly want answers, then consult your heart not some book or regurgitated words from some source other than yourself. Until you do this...you are lost.
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Apr 23, 2009 4:42 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
Lee464: You're starting at the wrong point and taking too much for granted. If you truly want answers, then consult your heart not some book or regurgitated words from some source other than yourself. Until you do this...you are lost.
What are YOU Bellyaching about?dunno confused
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Apr 23, 2009 4:52 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
Lee464
Lee464Lee464Surin, Northeastern Thailand Thailand4 Threads 1 Polls 397 Posts
i'd love to explain it to you but
i'm old now and no longer have the time...
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May 29, 2009 1:44 AM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
psychochicken6
psychochicken6psychochicken6hamilton, Ontario Canada19 Posts
calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture?

Donna


I'm a believer but if I wasn't I would just say the old testament was written 1st, whoever wrote the NT read the OT and wrote the NT to line up with it.
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May 31, 2009 10:15 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
princemuncher
princemuncherprincemunchernorthfield, Ohio USA12 Threads 378 Posts
The Bible is a plagurized fable.

Abraham came from the Sumerian city of Ur. TThe Sumerians had the first anthropomorphic gods thousands of years before the Bible. Their Gods, the Annunakki, made man from clay and called him "a-Dom".

They were displeased with the way the world was headed and destroyed the Earth with a flood. One man survived by building a boat.

The Assyrians, the conquerors of the Sumerians, took ths idea as well, and to add to their story, a fella named Sargon, was placed in a basket made of reeds and sent floating down a river where he eventually became a king.

Remember, these stories come from the city of UR where Abraham came from.

Humans need something to explain (or blame) the unexplainable.

There are NO contemporary writers of Jesus' time. Not one. The NT was written long after his supposed life time.

Paul/Saul of Tarsus wrote more than 50% of the New Testament, an he never, NOT ONCE, mentions any specifics of Jesus miracles, life, or ministry.

I wonder why???
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May 31, 2009 10:20 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
princemuncher
princemuncherprincemunchernorthfield, Ohio USA12 Threads 378 Posts
calmheartseeks: : How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture?

Donna


How does a prophecy get fulfilled when it's only confirmed in the SAME BOOK?

Check your scripture, Jesus DOES NOT fulfill the requirements set forth in the OT for a Messiah.....
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Jun 1, 2009 5:17 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
princemuncher
princemuncherprincemunchernorthfield, Ohio USA12 Threads 378 Posts
Again, all the Biblical stories have been done already.

Ever read the Epic of Gilgamesh?

Yeah, that's Noah in all his glory.

Ever read the 40 Negative confessions of Ma'at?


Yeah, those would be the Ten Commandments...

Ever hear of Dionysus?

He turned water into wine.

Ever hear of Mithra? (Who happened to be the god of Constantine before his conversion)

Yeah, he was born of a virgin and resurrected after being martyred.

You CAN NOT use the same source to prove a prophecy. That's like the old saying...."because my Bible tells me so."

It's like your dad saying "I'm right...Why? Because I said so"

Key points to consider....

There are NO contemporary writers of Jesus.

Nazareth WAS NOT a city in the first century AD.

The Gospels are pseudopiegraphic (look it up)

Missing books are mentioned throughout the biblical text. Why were they ommitted?

EVERY story in the Bible has been done before. It's easy history too look up.

(Just ask Marduk)
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Jun 1, 2009 6:20 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
good to see you you prince youwave



or shall i refer to you as meister zeitgeistprofessor




hi bunny please put on your trousers nowblushing
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Jun 1, 2009 6:21 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
PeachesandRay
PeachesandRayPeachesandRayConcord, North Carolina USA72 Threads 1 Polls 1,358 Posts
With respect to my wifes beliefs, I'm going to stay out of this religious thread






Earl
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Jun 1, 2009 6:23 PM CST A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word
mindfful
mindffulmindffulChicago, Illinois USA235 Threads 8 Polls 18,996 Posts
PeachesandRay: With respect to my wifes beliefs, I'm going to stay out of this religious thread
Earl


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and hi to both of you
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