A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word (303)
I don't know a lot about him, though I have heard of him of course. Some say some of his prophecies were fulfilled, others were not. As he didn't claim to be God, I didn't give him equal time. :)
crotalus_p: Let me ask you this question ,how do you account for the fulfilled prophases of Nostradamus ???
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not even gonna get into this, except to say the whole premise of the OP is absurd!
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calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
Name 1 I mean 1 fulfilled prophesy, that could not be explained away as a naturaly occuring event in history. People look at hitorical events and say ohhh Jesus said that would happen. But no-one tells us what will happen tomorrow or a year from now. They only apply to events that have already happened. Come tell me what Jesus has planned for next week in detail.
I am currently in Israel doing a special project for my company, It is interesting to hear what devout Jews think of Jesus. They think he was a crazy mixed up kid(who probably smoked too much dope). Any way have a nice day.
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calmheartseeks: I don't know a lot about him, though I have heard of him of course. Some say some of his prophecies were fulfilled, others were not. As he didn't claim to be God, I didn't give him equal time. :)
Good for you! I give him as much thought as I think he deserves and no more...that's not much. I am not disrespecting the man, but alot of what I have read seems too vague to be taken too seriously.
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wixomwizard: You bring up a lot of points to respond to:
1) unfulfilled prophecy is just that...unfulfilled
2) I never said Abraham was a false prophet.
3) God is the Creator,not me, He can do whatever He wants.
4) I am not implying anything about the Palestinians.
5) If I WAS God and people were destroying my creation without my say so, then yes, I might hate and retaliate against the people who were doing this.
6) Christians have done a lot of things in the name of God which He did not want or authorize.
7) The offering of firstborn sons did not refer to their blood being shed, but rather them being raised to love and serve not only God but others as well. We are called to love and serve one another, not destroy and hate each other.
1) unfulfilled prophecy is just that...unfulfilled
2) I never said Abraham was a false prophet.
3) God is the Creator,not me, He can do whatever He wants.
4) I am not implying anything about the Palestinians.
5) If I WAS God and people were destroying my creation without my say so, then yes, I might hate and retaliate against the people who were doing this.
6) Christians have done a lot of things in the name of God which He did not want or authorize.
7) The offering of firstborn sons did not refer to their blood being shed, but rather them being raised to love and serve not only God but others as well. We are called to love and serve one another, not destroy and hate each other.
You are not responding to my post and merely repeating yourself.
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calmheartseeks: I don't know a lot about him,
Well then you can not say wither he or the bible should get equal or greater credence can you ???calmheartseeks: Some say some of his prophecies were fulfilled,others were not.,
Just like the biblecalmheartseeks: As he didn't claim to be God, I didn't give him equal time. :)
Multiple killers / cultleaders have claimed to be various incarnations of god/jesus do you give them do you give them equal time ???When you realise why you dismiss all other religions that claim prophesies you will realise why I dismiss your’s
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In response to: The offering of firstborn sons did not refer to their blood being shed, but rather them being raised to love and serve not only God but others as well. We are called to love and serve one another, not destroy and hate each other.
This is the only new statement you made that was not already refuted and it clearly was referring to a blood sacrifice or did you not catch that?
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It's not my "premise":
If you were seeking to prove your premise (that my question was absurd), you left out the proof in your syllogism.
If you were seeking to prove your premise (that my question was absurd), you left out the proof in your syllogism.
pretzelman: not even gonna get into this, except to say the whole premise of the OP is absurd!
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wixomwizard: but alot of what I have read seems too vague to be taken too seriously.
Actually taken in the context meant to be understood in it is not very vague at all , taken in the context of which it is usually in this day and age it is about as vague as the bible 
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krimsa: This is the only new statement you made that was not already refuted and it clearly was referring to a blood sacrifice or did you not catch that?
I am including the origional passage for you to re-read and also a new one.
Exodus 22:29
Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
Leviticus 27:28-29
No devoted thing, that a man shall devote unto the LORD of all that he hath, both of man and beast ... shall be sold or redeemed: every devoted thing is most holy unto the LORD. None devoted, which shall be devoted of men, shall be redeemed; but shall surely be put to death.
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I did not dismiss all other religions. I asked a question about one.
crotalus_p: Well then you can not say wither he or the bible should get equal or greater credence can you ???
Just like the bible
Multiple killers / cultleaders have claimed to be various incarnations of god/jesus do you give them do you give them equal time ???
When you realise why you dismiss all other religions that claim prophesies you will realise why I dismiss your’s
Just like the bible
Multiple killers / cultleaders have claimed to be various incarnations of god/jesus do you give them do you give them equal time ???
When you realise why you dismiss all other religions that claim prophesies you will realise why I dismiss your’s
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calmheartseeks: It's not my "premise":
If you were seeking to prove your premise (that my question was absurd), you left out the proof in your syllogism.
If you were seeking to prove your premise (that my question was absurd), you left out the proof in your syllogism.
sorry....not gonna draw me into this....bye bye
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Run away! 
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calmheartseeks: Messianic prophecies in Scripture are well known and debated, whether one believes they are true or not. Google it and you will found thousands of entries.
It's interesting you feel religion is so destructive, and don't see the destructiveness of the sarcasm employed in your response.
Are you familiar with all the prophecies(as you are sure that all of them are vague and coincidental?) And as I have not named any of them, I haven't stated a prophecy that I thought was fulfilled with no evidence.
It's interesting you feel religion is so destructive, and don't see the destructiveness of the sarcasm employed in your response.
Are you familiar with all the prophecies(as you are sure that all of them are vague and coincidental?) And as I have not named any of them, I haven't stated a prophecy that I thought was fulfilled with no evidence.
By whom are they debated? (that question was rhetorical...)
Can't comment on the second statement...
No, I'm not familiar with "all the prophecies". That's like asking me if I'm aware of all the teachings of Humpty-Dumpty. Of course not! It (religion and the falicies it spews out), as I alluded to previously, is all BS. Why would I waste my time debating or disproving specific details of a cult that is mad to begin with?
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calmheartseeks: I did not dismiss all other religions. I asked a question about one.
You can not truly be a Christian whit out firstly haven dismissed all other religions apart from the fact that the bible commands you to (under penalty of death) the contradictions between religions mean that if you deem one to be true then all others must be deemed to be false , 
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crotalus_p: Actually taken in the context meant to be understood in it is not very vague at all , taken in the context of which it is usually in this day and age it is about as vague as the bible
The Bible is only vague to those who read it with no understanding of what it is saying. If you want understanding, pray for it. God promises to give it to you. But, since you do not believe in God, don't bother. If you can't believe in Him then you can't believe what he will tell you.
You tell me then...Why should He waste His time with your unbelief?
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wixomwizard: Psalms 17:28 Romans 1:22
Thanks!
Proverbs 26:5
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wixomwizard: The Bible is only vague to those who read it with no understanding of what it is saying. If you want understanding, pray for it.
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Thanks. As far as I know, Nostradumus did not claim to be God. To claim that I should give him "equal time" makes no sense. I probably have given him more time than a lot of people, lol.
wixomwizard: Good for you! I give him as much thought as I think he deserves and no more...that's not much. I am not disrespecting the man, but alot of what I have read seems too vague to be taken too seriously.
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You also seem to be implying that the only reason this prophecy was not fulfilled (at the time it was supposed to be) was because god's rules for proper land allocation were not followed closely enough and every last man, woman, child, infant and animal wasn’t brutally slaughtered.
So now we are stuck with the Palestinians or the descendants of Ishmael. Is that what you are implying sir? I guess you aren’t scoring any points for your "loving god" right now.
Is that a fact? Would that still legitimize killing every human that occupied Canaan at the time? What about the children and animals? Are you attempting to imply here that Christians never practiced human sacrifice?
Exodus 22:29
Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
You bring up a lot of points to respond to:
1) unfulfilled prophecy is just that...unfulfilled
2) I never said Abraham was a false prophet.
3) God is the Creator,not me, He can do whatever He wants.
4) I am not implying anything about the Palestinians.
5) If I WAS God and people were destroying my creation without my say so, then yes, I might hate and retaliate against the people who were doing this.
6) Christians have done a lot of things in the name of God which He did not want or authorize.
7) The offering of firstborn sons did not refer to their blood being shed, but rather them being raised to love and serve not only God but others as well. We are called to love and serve one another, not destroy and hate each other.