A sincere question to those who don't believe the Bible is God's Word (303)
Finding Lucy
Don Johanson describes finding the knee joint in Hadar, Ethiopia, that first indicated a bipedal hominid had lived 3 million years ago. His subsequent expedition led to the discovery of Lucy, a 40 percent complete skeleton of a new species of hominid, now known as Australopithecus afarensis. The final piece of the puzzle was a skull from the same site, which clearly demonstrated that Lucy's kind were small-brained, although they walked upright.
Credits: © 2001 WGBH Educational Foundation and Clear Blue Sky Productions, Inc. All rights reserved.
Don Johanson describes finding the knee joint in Hadar, Ethiopia, that first indicated a bipedal hominid had lived 3 million years ago. His subsequent expedition led to the discovery of Lucy, a 40 percent complete skeleton of a new species of hominid, now known as Australopithecus afarensis. The final piece of the puzzle was a skull from the same site, which clearly demonstrated that Lucy's kind were small-brained, although they walked upright.
Credits: © 2001 WGBH Educational Foundation and Clear Blue Sky Productions, Inc. All rights reserved.
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I dont have a speaker hooked to this computer....
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krimsa: I dont have a speaker hooked to this computer....
Awwww
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jlw45: well, i don't belong to a "congregation"....and as for lucy....the man who found "lucy", had a partner...i believe it was his wife...when signing documents about their find...she did'nt want to sign any of them because she was afraid it would be found out that Lucys" knee joint was "found" about a mile away from the rest of lucy....alot of missing links {you say tomatoe, i say tomautoe} have been plagiarised....why?...
The claim is not only false, it is clearly shown to be false in Johanson's published writings about "Lucy" (e.g., Johanson and Edey 1981, ch. 7-8) and it has been pointed out repeatedly to its proponents that it is false. Despite this, none of the major proponents of the claim has publicly retracted it. One major proponent has privately agreed that it is false, and a few creationists have agreed to stop repeating it. One minor proponent made a public retraction.
The claim originated with Tom Willis, head of the Creation Science Association for Mid-America, in an article he wrote for the Bible-Science Newsletter (1987). In his article, Willis reported on a lecture by Johanson at the University of Missouri on November 20, 1986. Willis reported that the following exchange occurred during the question-and-answer session which followed Johanson's lecture:
Q. How far away from Lucy did you find the knee?
A. Sixty to seventy meters lower in the strata and two to three kilometers away.
This question was perhaps intended by the questioner to mean "How far away from Lucy did you find Lucy's knee?", but was clearly interpreted by Johanson to mean "How far away from Lucy did you find the 1973 knee joint?" Willis does not recognize the confusion in his article, even though the discoveries of both the original knee joint (1973) and Lucy (1974) are described in detail--including the locations of the finds--in Donald C. Johanson and Maitland E. Edey, Lucy: The Beginnings of Humankind (1981) and in the articles in the April 1982 issue of the American Journal of Physical Anthropology. The creationist misunderstanding would never have occurred had either of these sources been consulted. Johanson's writings have always been clear about the fact that his 1973 knee joint was a separate find from Lucy. All of the bones shown in photographs of Lucy were found at a single location.
The problem has been compounded by the Institute for Creation Research's use of the name "Lucy" to refer to both the species Australopithecus afarensis and the individual "Lucy," as ICR Museum director John Rajca did on the June 18, 1994 segment of the ICR's "Science, Scripture and Salvation" radio program. Rajca said:
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calmheartseeks: How do you account for all the fulfilled prophecies regarding Jesus in Scripture? That is one of the strongest evidences of it being divinely inspired, and I am curious as to those who are sure Scripture is not inspired think of these prophecies and how they came to that conclusion.
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
I have been spending many hours trying to find information on questions that I have, so this is a sincere post.
Happy connecting!
Donna
Pretty easy really,
for the same reason Nostradamus was correct about so many of his prophecies.
Maybe we have been through all of this before.
we are destroying this planet, In time it will not be able to support life.
we are also looking for other planets that can sustain life.
Thousands or millions of years ago.. did we do the same on another planet?
are we just doing it again?
any number of things could destroy earth, global thermal nuclear war, meteor, massive earthquakes and blocking out the sun, the sun could explode- and many other occurrences.
SO-If we do find another Planet that will support life and we knew earth was doomed.. do you think we wouldnt at least attempt to go to the other planet and start over!?
And by human nature.. we follow the same pattern in time.
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Can anyone name a specific biblical prophecy that was indeed fulfilled? That might be a better way in which to tackle this argument? Explain what you feel qualifies as a "fulfilled prophecy."
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jlw45: yea...like how a whole "missing link" can be derived from a sigle tooth...that turned out to be a pigs tooth
Funniest thing is that this creationist myth is based on an article which wasn't even published in scientific publication.
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Hmmm. God told Abraham he and Sarah would have a son, as they were childless. This was fulfilled in her old age, which is pretty hard to fathom as she was well past child bearing years. In the interim, Abe got tired of waiting and had a child with Hagar, the maidservant. Does that qualify, or is the truth of this questioned?
krimsa: Can anyone name a specific biblical prophecy that was indeed fulfilled? That might be a better way in which to tackle this argument? Explain what you feel qualifies as a "fulfilled prophecy."
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So the source for the apparant fullfillment of this prophecy is the book wherein the prophecy is expounded? Rather convenient I think. Reeks of circular logic.
calmheartseeks: Hmmm. God told Abraham he and Sarah would have a son, as they were childless. This was fulfilled in her old age, which is pretty hard to fathom as she was well past child bearing years. In the interim, Abe got tired of waiting and had a child with Hagar, the maidservant. Does that qualify, or is the truth of this questioned?
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calmheartseeks: Hmmm. God told Abraham he and Sarah would have a son, as they were childless. This was fulfilled in her old age, which is pretty hard to fathom as she was well past child bearing years. In the interim, Abe got tired of waiting and had a child with Hagar, the maidservant. Does that qualify, or is the truth of this questioned?
The truth of this very doubtful , let me ask you this what is your source ???------ This thread is Archived ------
Galactic_bodhi: So the source for the apparant fullfillment of this prophecy is the book wherein the prophecy is expounded? Rather convenient I think. Reeks of circular logic.
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calmheartseeks: Hmmm. God told Abraham he and Sarah would have a son, as they were childless. This was fulfilled in her old age, which is pretty hard to fathom as she was well past child bearing years. In the interim, Abe got tired of waiting and had a child with Hagar, the maidservant. Does that qualify, or is the truth of this questioned?
Actually Sarah sent him to the Maid-Servant if memory serves me right.
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krimsa: Can anyone name a specific biblical prophecy that was indeed fulfilled? That might be a better way in which to tackle this argument? Explain what you feel qualifies as a "fulfilled prophecy."
the big floods and disasters
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Was that even a prophecy per se? It is strange that the 100 year old Abraham required God's help in fathering Isaac, yet later he marries again and has six more children without any help from God. 
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Conrad73: Actually Sarah sent him to the Maid-Servant if memory serves me right.
Yes thats right.
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nibblejc: Yes. The Bibble says live in fear of God. Y? Because he will not have mercy on those who reject Him. Think about that!
to me this does not sound like a God of love, but one of intimidation. How much mercy has he shown to those who do believe?????------ This thread is Archived ------
I think the fear God wants most from His creation, is the type of fear a child has for a parent. A awesome fear to be sure, but mostly a fear of doing anything that would displease the parent out of love for the parent. A child always wants to please and I think God wants us to be the same way.
God did not create us to terrorize us, but to give and bless us with good things. As a parent, we do not bring a child into the world so we can terrorize it. Not if we are normal anyway.
God did not create us to terrorize us, but to give and bless us with good things. As a parent, we do not bring a child into the world so we can terrorize it. Not if we are normal anyway.
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wixomwizard: I think the fear God wants most from His creation, is the type of fear a child has for a parent. A awesome fear to be sure, but mostly a fear of doing anything that would displease the parent out of love for the parent. A child always wants to please and I think God wants us to be the same way.
God did not create us to terrorize us, but to give and bless us with good things. As a parent, we do not bring a child into the world so we can terrorize it. Not if we are normal anyway.
God did not create us to terrorize us, but to give and bless us with good things. As a parent, we do not bring a child into the world so we can terrorize it. Not if we are normal anyway.
I don’t think god really wants to terrorize and control people at all. I think other selfish and fool hearty men do and this was the premise they conjured in order to accomplish this.
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Find that bit and please offer a link for the source so that I can investigate it. Otherwise just demonstrating the point here made by Ambrose initially. It’s better to "know thy enemy" especially in a debate setting.