pubwrite08: The thing of it is, is that any amount of people can become anything they want. Those of us that believe in the bible, know that we are not to be swayed by the opinons of others. I will not argue with anybody about this. "I" just know which side of the fence "I" belong on. And it is Not Wix's truth, it is "the" truth.
That's cool. I can respect that. We all have our truth, but wisdom is knowing how little we know....I believe in discovering the truth from a closer distance. I've learned that accepting prescribed notions does not hold it's ground.
This thread was intended for some discussion, not a holy war. Notice who started and diverted the thread? Yes, Christians. Now we see why that religion is shrinking in America. People are turned off by the demeanor of most Christians...Sorry, it's not a personal attack, just reality.
Now, I'm fine if anyone give the Genesis hypothesis of creation, but let's leave the personal attacks out and more evidence with some answers...not just pointing to verses.
Science is always questioning itself and re-questioning when previous theories are proved wrong, resulting in the real search for the yet unknown truths i.e. facts not fictional passifying fairy stories.
This would be truly unbelievable, if true! If it truly questioned itself so much - and all 'Science' agreed, no-one would be arguing about the way things are interpreted, by a 'Science' which cannot agree. galaxy
galaxy15: This would be truly unbelievable, if true! If it truly questioned itself so much - and all 'Science' agreed, no-one would be arguing about the way things are interpreted, by a 'Science' which cannot agree. galaxy
so whats the problem, I'm not so sure scientific "arguing" ever results in wars. The same is not so true for religion. It's not so much arguing as it is testing, collecting data, reformulating, building upon others. Yes science rarely gives absolutes. Than again thinking in absolutes is a flaw a in logic and best left to religion.
ch71sha: so whats the problem, I'm not so sure scientific "arguing" ever results in wars. The same is not so true for religion. It's not so much arguing as it is testing, collecting data, reformulating, building upon others. Yes science rarely gives absolutes. Than again thinking in absolutes is a flaw a in logic and best left to religion.
'...I'm not so sure scientific "arguing" ever results in wars.' Agreed - not big ones anyhow...
'Yes science rarely gives absolutes.' This may be because it is unsure of its authority!...and would prefer to hedge its bets.
According to the Kaballah (or Qaballah, depending on how you prefer to spell it), before the Big Bang there was the Light and the Vessel, but the Vessel got bored with always just receiving. The Vessel wanted to create too, it wanted to make its own destiny. And so out of a pinpoint, through the Big Bang, our Universe (or Multiverse, as we're now discovering) was created, along with everything in it as it evolved over the millenia.
That's why we have free will. And why we're part of the Light, and yet separate from it as well. All that we do here is for the growth of our souls. And the only enemy we have is time, for it is our own creation and we see it as linear, when it isn't. This is why sometimes we don't see the correlation between the good that we do and its reward.
Blessings...good thread, SF, just sorry I didn't see it much earlier.
galaxy15: This would be truly unbelievable, if true! If it truly questioned itself so much - and all 'Science' agreed, no-one would be arguing about the way things are interpreted, by a 'Science' which cannot agree. galaxy
The point I was trying to make is that science is open for self questioning unlike religion, which is stagnant, written in stone for millenia and blindly accepted. Science is in it's infancy in comparison and look what has been achieved already by the open minded ones !
When new evidence proves a theory wrong, a scientist won't then dedicate the rest of his/her live trying to defend their initial belief or go to war over it.
Jun 21, 2009 10:20 PM CST What happened before the big bang?
CaySeaFollow the yellow brick road, Western Australia Australia15 Threads923 Posts
CaySeaFollow the yellow brick road, Western Australia Australia923 posts
RDM59: The point I was trying to make is that science is open for self questioning unlike religion, which is stagnant, written in stone for millenia and blindly accepted. Science is in it's infancy in comparison and look what has been achieved already by the open minded ones !
When new evidence proves a theory wrong, a scientist won't then dedicate the rest of his/her live trying to defend their initial belief or go to war over it.
Well now this isnt exactly true I mean the church doesnt believe the earth is flat anymore...
Great! now I can't sleep, reading all this stuff will make my head have a BIG BANG alright! Who comes up with this ideas of "tiny bubbles forming and expanding rapidly"?
One of my Chemistry/Physics Professors said that it appears that there MAY come a point in time, when the Univers has expznded as much as it can.
At this time, it will begin to shrink and time will run backwards.
Everything that happened will reverse.
If we have died, death will be undone, our lives run backwards to birth and b4 when we were two seperate parts of our parents.
This will go on all the way back to the begining and then reverse again to the future.
I don't know how much I beleive of this.
It was kind of disappointing hearing a Favorite, Popular, Respected Professor, of many of us, say this.
My question is do we get to keep the lessons learned from each life bfore we repeat our lives again IF it were true.
Given that question, brings another.
How MANY of US would be here if it is true?
Yes, he's talking about the "Big Crunch", if that's true why is the universe expansion accelerating? This was found to be true when discovered in the 1990's.
Since this is only a physical dimension it has no effect on our spiritual form, what we learn from our physical incarnations in this world will stay with us always.
We come here for specific purposes....lessons to learn to gain wisdom. Why would your prof think that everything will stop and then reverse itself...including all of the events that have transpired? It makes no sense to me...
Jun 21, 2009 11:31 PM CST What happened before the big bang?
CaySeaFollow the yellow brick road, Western Australia Australia15 Threads923 Posts
CaySeaFollow the yellow brick road, Western Australia Australia923 posts
Keep in mind measurement is a way for us to understand the universe around us. And time is measured by movement. Time is not a constant. This was theorised by einstein and has since been proven by measurements of time relative to frame of reference. Does it not stand to reason that measurement itself is not a constant aswell?
ch71sha: Actually it has to do with not closing the doors to further discovery and enlightenment.
Look, I agree. The only point which sticks for me is the slavish need to pin things down - and call it something. Or say Science discovered it - when most of the ideas/theories/myths/stories - whatever, have already been so poetically put into ancient texts. The fact that analytical minds can't cope with poetry is quite relevant (this of course is a generalisation). If we cannot understand the concept of what came before the big bang - it doesn't mean stuff like this did not happen - it means we are not ready to understand. Knowing too much, too early can be dangerous. cheers galaxy
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Well.I read the first few responses in the beginning , page 1.