What happened before the big bang? (234)
USThumperMexico, New York USA4 Threads 3,957 PostsStressFree: We must now ask the next question, what happened before that?
Da*ned if I know, I was already drunk.
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wonderworker: There was NO MoTION--NO COLLISION either.All mass was in one infinitely small space.It was too hot and too tight for something as complex as an atom.
When things get that hot and that tight...
BANG
Yup, thats what it feels like when the bang goes off.When things get that hot and that tight...
BANG
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StressFree: We must now ask the next question, what happened before that?
THE BIG CRUNCH,or Contraction.
Or simply nothing,nothing observable.
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wonderworker: Before the Bang there was no Time ,so nothing happened.
Or there was a period of contraction lasting billions of years opposite an earlier(??) Bang...
Or there was Dinner and a Movie.
Or there was a period of contraction lasting billions of years opposite an earlier(??) Bang...
Or there was Dinner and a Movie.
Maybe the Big Bang is not the creation of the cosmos but merely the end of the previous cycle of the destruction of the last incarnation of the cosmos.
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StressFree: What do you think of the big bounce theory? Have you heard of it?
I have my own theory for that one.
I say to her, let's go to bed and she in her excitement, bounces up and down....which eventually leads to the big bang.....
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Tumpa: I have my own theory for that one.
I say to her, let's go to bed and she in her excitement, bounces up and down....which eventually leads to the big bang.....
I say to her, let's go to bed and she in her excitement, bounces up and down....which eventually leads to the big bang.....
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Ok I'll try something...
I think that before big bang there was nothing, it was a big empty, no matter so no space, no universe. With big bang the first atoms of hydrogen are created and then because of laws of energy, other matters are then created.
So, is the laws of matter existed before matter? Probably but how? As we know now with quantum physics, spirit can affect matter.
So my answer is: before big bang there was a ultimate spirit, the only non-matter thing that can possibly create the first atom. Apparently this spirit as the will to fill the big empty...
I think that before big bang there was nothing, it was a big empty, no matter so no space, no universe. With big bang the first atoms of hydrogen are created and then because of laws of energy, other matters are then created.
So, is the laws of matter existed before matter? Probably but how? As we know now with quantum physics, spirit can affect matter.
So my answer is: before big bang there was a ultimate spirit, the only non-matter thing that can possibly create the first atom. Apparently this spirit as the will to fill the big empty...
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StressFree: Discuss how ever you choose to pursue this question courageously...
I can't remember that far back, but I'll take my best shot.
This is from my own speculations.
There is not much science can tell us about the black hole except that it is created when a supernova star explodes, creating such a force of gravity that it pulls all surrounding matter into it and nothing can escape it, not even light.
Einsteins theory of relativity allows room for the possibility of parallel universes. Lets assume, just for now, that einstein is correct and parallel universes do exist. Suppose that somewhere within one of these universes, a supernova star explodes, creating a black hole which, over the course of 5 to 15 billion years, evolves into what we now know as our existing universe.
Black holes are located within the centre of a galaxy. Could every black hole within our universe be portals to other evolving universes, each one beginning with....A big bang?
If so, then I will say that before the big bang, a void was without form.
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StressFree: Maybe the Big Bang is not the creation of the cosmos but merely the end of the previous cycle of the destruction of the last incarnation of the cosmos.
One of my Chemistry/Physics Professors said that it appears that there MAY come a point in time, when the Univers has expznded as much as it can.
At this time, it will begin to shrink and time will run backwards.
Everything that happened will reverse.
If we have died, death will be undone, our lives run backwards to birth and b4 when we were two seperate parts of our parents.
This will go on all the way back to the begining and then reverse again to the future.
I don't know how much I beleive of this.
It was kind of disappointing hearing a Favorite, Popular, Respected Professor, of many of us, say this.
My question is do we get to keep the lessons learned from each life bfore we repeat our lives again IF it were true.
Given that question, brings another.
How MANY of US would be here if it is true?
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StressFree: Maybe the Big Bang is not the creation of the cosmos but merely the end of the previous cycle of the destruction of the last incarnation of the cosmos.
Hawking or Sagan or someone suggested that the BANG/CRUNCH takes about 30-40 billion years per occurance.But nothing drifts over from one to the next,so we cannot observe what amounts to unique events.
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faucon22: Ok I'll try something...
I think that before big bang there was nothing, it was a big empty, no matter so no space, no universe.
I think that before big bang there was nothing, it was a big empty, no matter so no space, no universe.
That answer seems too cliche now...
Infinity is a complex term here...seems we won't have the answer to this for an undertermined time.
Even the "ultimate spirit" you mentioned is part of the infinity.
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BClady: I can't remember that far back, but I'll take my best shot.
This is from my own speculations.
There is not much science can tell us about the black hole except that it is created when a supernova star explodes, creating such a force of gravity that it pulls all surrounding matter into it and nothing can escape it, not even light.
Einsteins theory of relativity allows room for the possibility of parallel universes. Lets assume, just for now, that einstein is correct and parallel universes do exist. Suppose that somewhere within one of these universes, a supernova star explodes, creating a black hole which, over the course of 5 to 15 billion years, evolves into what we now know as our existing universe.
Black holes are located within the centre of a galaxy. Could every black hole within our universe be portals to other evolving universes, each one beginning with....A big bang?
If so, then I will say that before the big bang, a void was without form.
This is from my own speculations.
There is not much science can tell us about the black hole except that it is created when a supernova star explodes, creating such a force of gravity that it pulls all surrounding matter into it and nothing can escape it, not even light.
Einsteins theory of relativity allows room for the possibility of parallel universes. Lets assume, just for now, that einstein is correct and parallel universes do exist. Suppose that somewhere within one of these universes, a supernova star explodes, creating a black hole which, over the course of 5 to 15 billion years, evolves into what we now know as our existing universe.
Black holes are located within the centre of a galaxy. Could every black hole within our universe be portals to other evolving universes, each one beginning with....A big bang?
If so, then I will say that before the big bang, a void was without form.
Ever heard of multi-universes?
Not black holes, I'm thinking wormholes...interdimensional portals.
Dark matter and dark energy just may lead to new questions about the big bang...
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StressFree: Ever heard of multi-universes?
Not black holes, I'm thinking wormholes...interdimensional portals.
Dark matter and dark energy just may lead to new questions about the big bang...
Not black holes, I'm thinking wormholes...interdimensional portals.
Dark matter and dark energy just may lead to new questions about the big bang...
What pan-dimensional universes? Would they count?
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wonderworker: Hawking or Sagan or someone suggested that the BANG/CRUNCH takes about 30-40 billion years per occurance.But nothing drifts over from one to the next,so we cannot observe what amounts to unique events.
Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite number of deaths and rebirths.
"It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, no doubt, by accident, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the earth or the sun and about half of the time since the big bang. And there are much longer time scales still.
There is the deep and the appealing notion that the universe is but the dream of the god who after a 100 Brahma years… dissolves himself into a dreamless sleep… and the universe dissolves with him… until after another Brahma century… he starts… recomposes himself and begins again the dream… the great cosmic lotus dream.
Meanwhile… elsewhere… there are an infinite number of other universes… each with its own god… dreaming the cosmic dream…"
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USThumper: We had the big foreplay
Yep that is exactly what happened.
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wonderworker: There was NO MoTION--NO COLLISION either.All mass was in one infinitely small space.It was too hot and too tight for something as complex as an atom.
When things get that hot and that tight...
BANG
When things get that hot and that tight...
BANG
Perhaps indicating the pressure created by the big crunch.
As SF mentioned the big bounce theory. Or expansion and then collapse of the universe: bang, crunch, bang, crunch etc. over and over again. Compressed matter gets converted back to energy at the Big Bang moment of maximum compression and then back to matter via a hot atom free plasma stage, then cools allowing particles of matter and antimater to form which when come into contact destroy each other creating energies forcing another expansion. There is an imbalance of matter and antimatter. Matter prevails for some reason. And we exist ?
Or an alternative theory is that Ms God burnt the toast one morning and there was one almighty bust up
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Do you means it seems too cliche in the discussion of this forum or too cliche for the science believes of today?
My question is, what was there before the first particule of matter was created... or how something could be created out of nothing
My question is, what was there before the first particule of matter was created... or how something could be created out of nothing
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CjTenorSax: One of my Chemistry/Physics Professors said that it appears that there MAY come a point in time, when the Univers has expznded as much as it can.
At this time, it will begin to shrink and time will run backwards.
Everything that happened will reverse.
If we have died, death will be undone, our lives run backwards to birth and b4 when we were two seperate parts of our parents.
This will go on all the way back to the begining and then reverse again to the future.
I don't know how much I beleive of this.
It was kind of disappointing hearing a Favorite, Popular, Respected Professor, of many of us, say this.
My question is do we get to keep the lessons learned from each life bfore we repeat our lives again IF it were true.
Given that question, brings another.
How MANY of US would be here if it is true?
At this time, it will begin to shrink and time will run backwards.
Everything that happened will reverse.
If we have died, death will be undone, our lives run backwards to birth and b4 when we were two seperate parts of our parents.
This will go on all the way back to the begining and then reverse again to the future.
I don't know how much I beleive of this.
It was kind of disappointing hearing a Favorite, Popular, Respected Professor, of many of us, say this.
My question is do we get to keep the lessons learned from each life bfore we repeat our lives again IF it were true.
Given that question, brings another.
How MANY of US would be here if it is true?
Good point...
That point at which all outward motion ceases is called "equilibrium". And is withing the turning point which the laws of the universe then would change and be their polar opposites of those which they are now. That which is positive would then become negative and that which is negative would then become positive. The universe then would recede into that which is again a void. The abyss. At which point the creation story would repeat itself. Reincarnation on the macro level, not just the micro level.
Here is what puzzles me and keeps me up at night sometimes, whats beyond our universe or multi-universes? Could there be a whole other existence with a completely and unimaginable set of matrices? Anything is possible right? As long as we think it, it just may exist.
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Very interesting!
This falls in line with the Bible's teaching that God created man in His image. What is the universe but the "physical body" of God. It began with 'one' cell, which divides and multiplies in and of itself through the creation of multiuniverses, in much the same way as a human embryo from the time of conception. Thus creating "a physical body for the expression of spirit".
This falls in line with the Bible's teaching that God created man in His image. What is the universe but the "physical body" of God. It began with 'one' cell, which divides and multiplies in and of itself through the creation of multiuniverses, in much the same way as a human embryo from the time of conception. Thus creating "a physical body for the expression of spirit".
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BClady:
Black holes are located within the centre of a galaxy. Could every black hole within our universe be portals to other evolving universes, each one beginning with....A big bang? If so, then I will say that before the big bang, a void was without form.
Black holes are located within the centre of a galaxy. Could every black hole within our universe be portals to other evolving universes, each one beginning with....A big bang? If so, then I will say that before the big bang, a void was without form.
The products of a Supernova are atoms of carbon, helium, nitrogen etc that form us. We/everything is the product of star dust. New matter is expelled at the point of explossion, but what if the black hole that is left over is made of trapped antimatter, forming totally strange new dimensions currently not understood.
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