why do Christians ignore the OT? (36)
Man's Churches not God's. They teach the traditions of men. 
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RillyNiceGuy: Man's Churches not God's. They teach the traditions of men.
that’s exactly what I’m talking about, someone who knows, ignores some of the bible.. why?
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EliteOne: that’s exactly what I’m talking about, someone who knows, ignores some of the bible.. why?
its quite simple actually...bible is a book with letters and not so
many pictures ...men don`t like to read...
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They have been taught that those things were nailed to the cross and done away. Lazy thinkers who do not care as long as they think they are covered and not going to hell.
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the ot isnt ignored totally just not as understood but there are many who read psalms and proverbs and those are ot
psalm 139 being my fave
psalm 139 being my fave
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Ehats over time got to do with the bible?
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USThumper: Ehats over time got to do with the bible?
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Dawn7z: have some coffee your blond is showing lol
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I thought the headline for the thread was
why do Christians ignore ET
Now that have been just awful
why do Christians ignore ET
Now that have been just awful
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They don't ignore it in fact Jesus said I come not to destroy the law but to fulfil it . for now we live by grace not by the law . No man could keep all the law that is why once a year the high priest would give the sin offering rolling there sin ahead one year at a time until Jesus died on the cross then the sin was paid for . As far as keeping the old testimate law . Peter had a sheet droped with all manner of unclean beast and told to eat . He said not so Lord for I have kept the law since my birth and God siad call not what I have cleansed unclean .
In response to: I see so many Christians dismissing the OT or at least trying to distance themselves from it.
What is the reason when clearly Jesus and many profits say!!!!!
Matthew 5:18-19 RSV
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Luke 16:17 NAB"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."
Matthew 5:17 NAB
I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
2 Timothy 3:16 NAB"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..."
2 Peter 20-21 NAB
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."
John 1:17“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..."
“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
What is the reason when clearly Jesus and many profits say!!!!!
Matthew 5:18-19 RSV
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Luke 16:17 NAB"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."
Matthew 5:17 NAB
I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
2 Timothy 3:16 NAB"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..."
2 Peter 20-21 NAB
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."
John 1:17“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..."
“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
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USThumper: Thats not blonde, Its grey. You get it from kids.
And from wives
Earl
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PeachesandRay: And from wives
Earl
Earl
Oops............I think she heard that!
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They ignore it because they are taught that in their apostate churches. It started when satan founded the catholic church as a tool to corrupt christianity. They absorbed all the pagan rituals of the cultures they spread to and created a babylonian mystery church with a christian outward appearance. Then the protestants figured some of it out but never went back to the origin so lost the sabbath, the holidays and festivals, and the customs of diet and other things.
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Brewer: They ignore it because they are taught that in their apostate churches. It started when satan founded the catholic church as a tool to corrupt christianity. They absorbed all the pagan rituals of the cultures they spread to and created a babylonian mystery church with a christian outward appearance. Then the protestants figured some of it out but never went back to the origin so lost the sabbath, the holidays and festivals, and the customs of diet and other things.
Huh, hard to explain, hard to understand.
I think we no need to ask WHY...PEOPLE IGNORE THE OT?
We should ask ourselves, WHY WE IGNORE THE FAITH of JESUS CHRIST?
Ourselves are not better than "christian" who ignore OT.
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lonelycowboy101: They don't ignore it in fact Jesus said I come not to destroy the law but to fulfil it . for now we live by grace not by the law . No man could keep all the law that is why once a year the high priest would give the sin offering rolling there sin ahead one year at a time until Jesus died on the cross then the sin was paid for . As far as keeping the old testimate law . Peter had a sheet droped with all manner of unclean beast and told to eat . He said not so Lord for I have kept the law since my birth and God siad call not what I have cleansed unclean .
the grace of god or the grace of man only apples if in all innocence you are breaking the law.
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EliteOne: Exactly, it is cultural not godly like the rest of the bible. This would also apply to the NT the culture of Greeks, Romans and the pagans. The Greeks and the Romans already had half man half gods which is very much reflected in Jesus and paganism. Pagans were very much in touch with human feelings and nature which would be one of the main reasons for our days of the week and names of the months honouring pagan gods. I mean, should pagan names of the weeks months be included in the translation of the bible. In my opinion NO, not if its godly inspired.
Isn’t the OT about gods battle against ungodly pagan evil?....lol
Over the years I certainly have heard much better explanations then the one you presented but regardless after much logic and wisdom, Jesus fails with his message, if you don’t recognise and practice the original law/words of god.
Luke 16:17 NAB"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."
I think Luke makes it pretty clear- and this law would also apply to everything including physics… you couldn’t possibly get water unless you have 2 hydrogen’s + 1 oxygen, I think its that simple. so, the law cannot be broken not even the smallest letter.
Isn’t the OT about gods battle against ungodly pagan evil?....lol
Over the years I certainly have heard much better explanations then the one you presented but regardless after much logic and wisdom, Jesus fails with his message, if you don’t recognise and practice the original law/words of god.
Luke 16:17 NAB"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."
I think Luke makes it pretty clear- and this law would also apply to everything including physics… you couldn’t possibly get water unless you have 2 hydrogen’s + 1 oxygen, I think its that simple. so, the law cannot be broken not even the smallest letter.
In some ways I believe I agree with you (even though I what you said was a little unclear to me). The question of sin, heaven, hell, death, grace, God's way vs. the devil's way has always been a legal one. Answering questions like whose word is final, or who has jurisdiction here is key to understanding these things. God chose to work through Israel. And through Israel, much of His ultimate plan is being realized. There are reasons for the traditions God established with the Jewish people. They become crystal clear testimonies of truth if you learn the meanings and reasons behind them.
Apart from the law, Jesus’ mission on earth was meaningless. And I like the way you bridged the laws of nature with God’s law. God’s law is just like the laws of nature. They just describe what happens. The Law of Gravity did not create gravity. It just describes a part of reality. If you jump out of an airplane at 10,000 feet in the air without a parachute, you are going to die. In the same way, God’s laws didn’t create this big issue of sin and death, they just describe reality.
To understand the OT one must be willing to learn the whats, hows, and whys. But one more thing is essential to learn what it says, and that is you must trust in God. Just as Abraham trusted God when he was told to sacrifice Isaac, you must trust that God knew what He was doing and His judgments are based on a much higher plane of wisdom and knowledge than yours. Why would God command children to be killed? (notice I did not say innocent children – because God has already seen their whole lives, and only He knows if they are truly innocent or not, and He also knows all the possible futures of these children <-- I can’t wait to see if this opens up a whole bag of new arguments) I do not know why God does some of the things He does. I am not called to know. I am called to trust Him and obey. He has established His right to be trusted and obeyed. He leaves the decision to us.
We can choose to follow, or we can choose not to follow. Ultimately we will have ourselves, and only ourselves, to blame for the consequences of our choice. Ultimately this part is as fair as it can be.
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I do not think I have every been in, or attended a Christian church that ignores the OT. The reason you might be looking for is below,
Ephesians 2:14-16 "14:For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15:by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16: and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!"
Ephesians 2:14-16 "14:For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15:by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, 16: and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.
2 Corinthians 5:17 "Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!"
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Paul should be thrown out as a reliable source.
No where in Paul's epistles does he mention the life and ministry of Jesus Christ. He new nothing of the man.
All Paul did was cash in on something potentially profitable.
What needs to be remembered is that Jesus was a PRACTICING JEW, Not a Christian. Pauline Christianity has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.
Read Paul sometime. Thouroughly. And do it from the perspective of someone deciding who to vote for in an election.
Over 50% of the NT is written by Paul, and the entire thing reads as political propaganda.
Vote for Jesus.
No where in Paul's epistles does he mention the life and ministry of Jesus Christ. He new nothing of the man.
All Paul did was cash in on something potentially profitable.
What needs to be remembered is that Jesus was a PRACTICING JEW, Not a Christian. Pauline Christianity has nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.
Read Paul sometime. Thouroughly. And do it from the perspective of someone deciding who to vote for in an election.
Over 50% of the NT is written by Paul, and the entire thing reads as political propaganda.
Vote for Jesus.
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EliteOne: I see so many Christians dismissing the OT or at least trying to distance themselves from it.
What is the reason when clearly Jesus and many profits say!!!!!
Matthew 5:18-19 RSV
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Luke 16:17 NAB"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."
Matthew 5:17 NAB
I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
2 Timothy 3:16 NAB"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..."
2 Peter 20-21 NAB
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."
John 1:17“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..."
“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
What is the reason when clearly Jesus and many profits say!!!!!
Matthew 5:18-19 RSV
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Luke 16:17 NAB"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."
Matthew 5:17 NAB
I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
2 Timothy 3:16 NAB"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..."
2 Peter 20-21 NAB
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."
John 1:17“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..."
“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35
Purely a rhetorical question, right? You already know the answer.
Hell, if Christianity was so "profit"able, I might even have been interested (as an atheist).
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What is the reason when clearly Jesus and many profits say!!!!!
Matthew 5:18-19 RSV
“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
Luke 16:17 NAB"It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid."
Matthew 5:17 NAB
I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
2 Timothy 3:16 NAB"All scripture is inspired by God and is useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness..."
2 Peter 20-21 NAB
"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God."
John 1:17“Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law" (John7:19) and “For the law was given by Moses,..."
“...the scripture cannot be broken.” --Jesus Christ, John 10:35