Welfare baby solution: Family Cap. (411)
Albertaghost: Then I guess I know as I did know them and, have heard from other people about it as well which, cements the case I should think.
Second or third hand information on a few people whose lives you are not personally a part of cements nothing.You know "gossip" about a few people who you are not a regular part of their lives.Even if they were bums it would mean nothing.They are only a few people.
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Albertaghost: Then I guess I know as I did know them and, have heard from other people about it as well which, cements the case I should think.
Second or third hand information on a few people whose lives you are not personally a part of cements nothing.You know "gossip" about a few people who you are not a regular part of their lives.Even if they were bums it would mean nothing.They are only a few people.
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Conorco: What i think is also unfair is that single mothers are being discriminated against, why does the law not apply to families on social welfare?
There are women that have been quoted as saying that they could just have a few kids and not have to work. As long as anyone has an idea like that something needs to be done. Our curent system is encouraging illegitimate births.
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gardenhackle: That's YOUR assumption. One of many. It seems you also assume that there aren't people who sit on their asses collecting welfare because there are others who don't. Why is it that it is impossible to talk about this without some cockamamy defense of everyone on welfare based on the fact that some people are down on their luck, need it and won't be on it forever. They're not the problem we're talking about. We're talking about the chronic cases and the abusers and there are a lot of them.
few points to think aboutwhile i was a single mother, i tried for years to get work (hairdresser) but soon as i said (had no support or father access) cant work before 8.30 have to finish by 3.00..cant work school holidays or pupil free days..i became unemployable so thank god i had welfare, never sat on my bum
Welfare certainly doesnt allow for much after essentials....
And the welfare u get goes on rent, food, petrol, school basics, second clothing....
All this money goes back into the community where it came from actually....it is a circle of money that does the full circle every fortnight
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eumundibabe: few points to think about
while i was a single mother, i tried for years to get work (hairdresser) but soon as i said (had no support or father access) cant work before 8.30 have to finish by 3.00..cant work school holidays or pupil free days..i became unemployable so thank god i had welfare, never sat on my bum
Welfare certainly doesnt allow for much after essentials....
And the welfare u get goes on rent, food, petrol, school basics, second clothing....All this money goes back into the community where it came from actually....it is a circle of money that does the full circle every fortnight
while i was a single mother, i tried for years to get work (hairdresser) but soon as i said (had no support or father access) cant work before 8.30 have to finish by 3.00..cant work school holidays or pupil free days..i became unemployable so thank god i had welfare, never sat on my bum
Welfare certainly doesnt allow for much after essentials....
And the welfare u get goes on rent, food, petrol, school basics, second clothing....All this money goes back into the community where it came from actually....it is a circle of money that does the full circle every fortnight
Wish we had you here right now in Olds. Need a guy or gal to pick up four hours between ten and two in our kitchen at the legion. We have ads out along with a poster in the foyer but no go so far.
So,what did you do rather than sit on your bum and, how did everything work out?
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Albertaghost: Wish we had you here right now in Olds. Need a guy or gal to pick up four hours between ten and two in our kitchen at the legion. We have ads out along with a poster in the foyer but no go so far.
So,what did you do rather than sit on your bum and, how did everything work out?
So,what did you do rather than sit on your bum and, how did everything work out?
thanks
i kept my house clean...i got into having japanese students home stay for few years..drove them to college,sightseeing, i lived on the gold coast, and made their lunch and dinner,for small fee, i also did tuckshop one day a week, i didnt have enough money for a social life.....i had kids over on the weekends for sleep overs, that way my daughter could socialize with kids without me forking out entertainment money.I didnt get time out for myself nor did i get maintenance.....sorry..correction...out of the 16 years as a single mum, i recieved under$7000 maintenance and just so you understand this important point....
Social Security regard it as a extra income so u dont get the whole lot
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Mmm hmmm
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Less humming and a bit more concentration. That way, you don't get things wrong as often as you do.
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Albertaghost: You and Mary might take a course together as you both seem to skip over rather importent qualifiers in others posts. Nowhere has anybody stated that recieviing welfare is wrong.
My question is; why do some people have such a limited capability to understand the written word?
Ya, like global warming, Palin and the non existent Bush Lies.
My question is; why do some people have such a limited capability to understand the written word?
Ya, like global warming, Palin and the non existent Bush Lies.
The fact is .......most conservatives address ALL social services as "welfare entitlements" and typically suggest they all be done away with. That steriotypical suggestion is just an ignorant attempt of association with political conservatism.
It's wishful hypocracy and arrogant onmipotence.......
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the cowardly conservatives love to obsess about anyone receiving social services but they run like Georgie Porgie when anyone mentions the fact that most high income and wealthy are able to completely avoid paying taxes to our great nation. what despicable human beings!!!!!!
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omnipotence......
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The destruction of the welfare system in America is not the answer. If we should have learned anything over the last few years it is that right-wing economics have failed. Attacking the most vunerable in society does not improve society!! Some of the policy changes I'm hearing now are possible in America are shocking!!
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raphael118: the cowardly conservatives love to obsess about anyone receiving social services but they run like Georgie Porgie when anyone mentions the fact that most high income and wealthy are able to completely avoid paying taxes to our great nation. what despicable human beings!!!!!!
That is their " god-given entitlement" 
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jvaski: The fact is .......most conservatives address ALL social services as "welfare entitlements" and typically suggest they all be done away with. That steriotypical suggestion is just an ignorant attempt of association with political conservatism.
It's wishful hypocracy and arrogant onmipotence.......
It's wishful hypocracy and arrogant onmipotence.......
yes good point...after all it is a circle of money that comes out of the community and goes back in every fortnight...
not enough in the payments for overseas investing
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Maybe I just figurd it out finally.....
Maybe conservatives think that eliminating all social services will save enough money to drill more wells to get them cheaper gas prices for their SUVs......
Maybe conservatives think that eliminating all social services will save enough money to drill more wells to get them cheaper gas prices for their SUVs......
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eumundibabe: thanks i kept my house clean...i got into having japanese students home stay for few years..drove them to college,sightseeing, i lived on the gold coast, and made their lunch and dinner,for small fee, i also did tuckshop one day a week, i didnt have enough money for a social life.....i had kids over on the weekends for sleep overs, that way my daughter could socialize with kids without me forking out entertainment money.
I like your style. Adaptable.eumundibabe: I didnt get time out for myself nor did i get maintenance.....sorry..correction...out of the 16 years as a single mum, i recieved under$7000 maintenance and just so you understand this important point....
Social Security regard it as a extra income so u dont get the whole lot
Social Security regard it as a extra income so u dont get the whole lot
Same as here. Used to be tax deductible for the person paying then the government changed it to no deduction but rather as income for the person paying. Me and the ex didn't even go to court for maintenance because of that, I just gave her the house and put the equivalent of my army pension into my daughter's bank account every month. No paper trail.
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jvaski: Unlike you Alberta.....I don't have time to dig up millions of links for cut and paste battles. I can just walk across the street and spend five minutes listening to the Repub neighbors to get my weekly fix ......
Let's see, me, working between twelve to sixteen hours a day for the most part - you, unemployed and running about on a ski jet.
For some reason, I suspect that you don't bother supporting your silly lie is because it is a Sisyphean task that has no actual proof or end.
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gardenhackle: The problem of babies being tied to welfare money has been large enough that a number of different attempts to break that connection have been made in hopes of reducing the size of the problem.
One legal reform that has been implemented has been "family cap" which makes children conceived while the mother was on welfare ineligible for additional welfare funds. This removes the responsibility from society for any additional children and places the burden squarely on the mother. The caveat is that the other children could and probably will suffer as mother has less income per child and one more child to look after.
Is it fair? That's a tough call because it's not society's responsibility to pay for additional children, but neither is it the other children in the family or even that child's fault. It's a negative financial incentive to the mother that the children will likely bear the brunt of, but that said.... does it work and is it wrong that the mother of this family bears the responsibility when the state cuts off additional financial aid for additional children conceived while financial aid is being drawn?
One legal reform that has been implemented has been "family cap" which makes children conceived while the mother was on welfare ineligible for additional welfare funds. This removes the responsibility from society for any additional children and places the burden squarely on the mother. The caveat is that the other children could and probably will suffer as mother has less income per child and one more child to look after.
Is it fair? That's a tough call because it's not society's responsibility to pay for additional children, but neither is it the other children in the family or even that child's fault. It's a negative financial incentive to the mother that the children will likely bear the brunt of, but that said.... does it work and is it wrong that the mother of this family bears the responsibility when the state cuts off additional financial aid for additional children conceived while financial aid is being drawn?
It seems like there is no way to deal with that. If people get financial rewards for having more kids they have more kids. If they get cut off, the kids duffer. What are people supposed to do? Forced sterilization? Sell the lot of them for scientific experiments? Brainwash the poor to not breed by showering them with anti child propaganda? Encourage them to sell their kids to rich people?
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Then I guess I know as I did know them and, have heard from other people about it as well which, cements the case I should think.