Ask yourself this question. Who benefitted most from 9/11? (764)
hmmmm... ive just realised what i wrote... "Sorry America..(walking slowly backwards). "I think i'll just step-out from here...(turning and running) forever..."
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Correction to the above, he was not tried in absentina but rather indicted in absentina and did not turn himself over for trial.
""""U.S. grand jury indicts bin Laden Top Islamist terrorist charged in absentia in embassy bombings
November 05, 1998|By Mark Matthews | Mark Matthews,SUN NATIONAL STAFF
WASHINGTON -- A federal grand jury formally charged Osama bin Laden yesterday in the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa, describing the Saudi exile as the leader of a nine-year conspiracy, reaching from the Philippines to New York, to kill Americans.
The indictment, returned in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, marked the first time that bin Laden himself has been charged in the bombings, though U.S. officials had blamed him within hours of the two blasts Aug. 7. Those bombings killed 213 people -- including 12 Americans -- in Nairobi, Kenya, and 11 people in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. Thousands more were injured.""""
""""U.S. grand jury indicts bin Laden Top Islamist terrorist charged in absentia in embassy bombings
November 05, 1998|By Mark Matthews | Mark Matthews,SUN NATIONAL STAFF
WASHINGTON -- A federal grand jury formally charged Osama bin Laden yesterday in the bombings of two U.S. embassies in Africa, describing the Saudi exile as the leader of a nine-year conspiracy, reaching from the Philippines to New York, to kill Americans.
The indictment, returned in U.S. District Court in Manhattan, marked the first time that bin Laden himself has been charged in the bombings, though U.S. officials had blamed him within hours of the two blasts Aug. 7. Those bombings killed 213 people -- including 12 Americans -- in Nairobi, Kenya, and 11 people in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. Thousands more were injured.""""
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TaotehChing: hmmmm... ive just realised what i wrote... "Sorry America..(walking slowly backwards). "I think i'll just step-out from here...(turning and running) forever..."
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cloud747: Do you have to use every thread to bash muslims?
actually only Islamists,and the Virginians dood that!
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TaotehChing: Well, the American mind-set is, after all, like Hollywood. There is a loss of pure-intelligence to detect what is and what isnt reality. I suggest that this is because this type of mind-set has become lazy and lost for truth; its dilemma reveals some longing for truth yet this is impossible to penetrate because information is lost on the surface. The senses drink up this information, yet sensory awareness, as philosophical inquiry over the ages has revealed, is inaccurate. So then sensory intelligence which is abit like a million arseholes, meaning a million different opinions, fantasies, creations is placated as being viable. Then Darwin's survival of the fittest kicks in as the scientists put forth their claims in all manner of angles and measures. Shazam!!! one specific theory can be manipulated or pushed into science testtubes and cannisters. All that is needed now is a, as you have wonderfully envisioned it Conrad, science-fiction believing fanclub. These people are generally good people who have just become a little bored with life and prefer a more sophisticated fantasy to whiddle away their time. So Americans are both intelligent and creative peoples; the problem is that they are bored because they live in a superficial reality. Is there such a thing? Maybe its just that they live superficially which keeps them apart from reality. 'Their' created reality, which is a lie, is seen as truth and in its detail, Conrad as you have observed, is believed as anything but superficial. This keeps them entertained, like a good hollywood movie! So leave them be. This is what the Government wants .... their visions of peace (Raj, im thinking of you here); intelligent, creative numbskulls entrapped within their own mental-prison. The dilemma is ... how do you get out of here once you are in? TaotehChing
now, thou shall prepare to face the 'wrath' of our fellow ultra-conservative, warkhawk CS brigade for 'daring' to question the motive of the US government, for it can NEVER do any wrong
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In short!
Do you all realize that bin Laden was not in the Russian/Afghan war for the first several years of it? He was not even in central Asian regions for the first couple of years of the war.
He was in Persian gulf region getting donations and equipment to be sent to the Mujaheddin.....and making visits to Afghan and Pakistan border region...to hand the funds and weapons off to the Mujaheddin.
He was acting as a fund raiser and weapon supplier to the Mujahedin. A source.
It took him several years to put together his 911 Brigade of foreign fighters that later came into Afghanistan. They came from all over the middle east and north Africa.....from placed like Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan. Now Reagan has just bombed Qaddafi in Libya, he just had the US Marines killed in Lebanon....do you really think that Reagan or any other American President is going to give full support to bin Laden, when his man power is coming from those places?
You all don't know us (Americans) very well..if you really think that.
Do you all realize that bin Laden was not in the Russian/Afghan war for the first several years of it? He was not even in central Asian regions for the first couple of years of the war.
He was in Persian gulf region getting donations and equipment to be sent to the Mujaheddin.....and making visits to Afghan and Pakistan border region...to hand the funds and weapons off to the Mujaheddin.
He was acting as a fund raiser and weapon supplier to the Mujahedin. A source.
It took him several years to put together his 911 Brigade of foreign fighters that later came into Afghanistan. They came from all over the middle east and north Africa.....from placed like Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan. Now Reagan has just bombed Qaddafi in Libya, he just had the US Marines killed in Lebanon....do you really think that Reagan or any other American President is going to give full support to bin Laden, when his man power is coming from those places?
You all don't know us (Americans) very well..if you really think that.
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Albertaghost: And a person who believes Osama Bin Laden was born poor and lived in harsh conditions while his entire family was the richest people in Suadi Arabia after the Royal Family is qualified to show truth?
You read various sources and conduct research prior to drinking the same koolaid the uninformed continually indulge in. Conspiracy theories never stand up to close scrutiny, nor do sweeping generalizations like the above.
You read various sources and conduct research prior to drinking the same koolaid the uninformed continually indulge in. Conspiracy theories never stand up to close scrutiny, nor do sweeping generalizations like the above.
okay, so you have found me out. I have little knowledge about all of this, but by my babbling display you have managed to provide much useful information. So i bow down to you albertaghost and i thankyou. I am humbled before you.------ This thread is Archived ------
Conrad73: actually only Islamists,and the Virginians dood that!
What is Islamist? Some brotherhood of Zionist?
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Conrad73: In short!
Do you all realize that bin Laden was not in the Russian/Afghan war for the first several years of it? He was not even in central Asian regions for the first couple of years of the war.
He was in Persian gulf region getting donations and equipment to be sent to the Mujaheddin.....and making visits to Afghan and Pakistan border region...to hand the funds and weapons off to the Mujaheddin.
He was acting as a fund raiser and weapon supplier to the Mujahedin. A source.
Do you all realize that bin Laden was not in the Russian/Afghan war for the first several years of it? He was not even in central Asian regions for the first couple of years of the war.
He was in Persian gulf region getting donations and equipment to be sent to the Mujaheddin.....and making visits to Afghan and Pakistan border region...to hand the funds and weapons off to the Mujaheddin.
He was acting as a fund raiser and weapon supplier to the Mujahedin. A source.
We already busted that lie scam. It was congressman Charlie Wilson who did that.
Conrad73: It took him several years to put together his 911 Brigade of foreign fighters that later came into Afghanistan. They came from all over the middle east and north Africa.....from placed like Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan. Now Reagan has just bombed Qaddafi in Libya, he just had the US Marines killed in Lebanon....do you really think that Reagan or any other American President is going to give full support to bin Laden, when his man power is coming from those places?
It took several years for the US to infiltrate all these regions, armed the terrorists with weapons and create a chaos so that US can legitimize its involvement at the behest of Isreal. Reagon's own assistant secretary of State (treasury) in the white house revealed the truth. (paul craig roberts) O'Bama and O'Sama (rhyme rhyme)
Conrad73: You all don't know us (Americans) very well..if you really think that.
And you really believe so?
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RayfromUSA: Bin Laden was already dead by 911 or shortly thereafter.
All the subsequent videos were either old footage or total fakes.
Al Qaeda means "the base" and was initially a CIA name for the data base concerning the mujahedin mercenaries in Afghanistan.
911 was entirely staged.
The plan to invade Afghanistan came initially from a Unocal plan to build a pipeline to take Caspian Sea oil to the Indian Ocean for sale to China and India. The initial plan was scuttled because the US-installed Taliban government of Afghanistan wanted too much money. So Unocal suggested a regime change prior to starting the project. This led to the PNAC plan to greatly militarize the US and dominate the world's energy. But, as the PNAC project report stated, the US public would not accept such a plan unless there were some "catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor". The call for such an event was announced in 2000. 911 occurred in 2OO1. When the US invaded Afghanistan it installed as president a former middle eastern advisor for Unocal, and the pipeline got underway.
All the subsequent videos were either old footage or total fakes.
Al Qaeda means "the base" and was initially a CIA name for the data base concerning the mujahedin mercenaries in Afghanistan.
911 was entirely staged.
The plan to invade Afghanistan came initially from a Unocal plan to build a pipeline to take Caspian Sea oil to the Indian Ocean for sale to China and India. The initial plan was scuttled because the US-installed Taliban government of Afghanistan wanted too much money. So Unocal suggested a regime change prior to starting the project. This led to the PNAC plan to greatly militarize the US and dominate the world's energy. But, as the PNAC project report stated, the US public would not accept such a plan unless there were some "catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor". The call for such an event was announced in 2000. 911 occurred in 2OO1. When the US invaded Afghanistan it installed as president a former middle eastern advisor for Unocal, and the pipeline got underway.
I suppose you have photos and autospy of bin Laden's 2001 death for us?
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This is in reply to bin Laden being one man hunted down by the hords of American Armies armed modern high tech weapons.
From bin Laden Khandar compound we obtained records on the number of alQeada rectuits that had gone thru his Afghanistan camps. 70,000 had
35,000 were still in the country. 35,000 had left.
That is supported by the battle of Tora Bora. Were the last of the 35,000 ...some 2000 fought a delaying action to allow bin Laden to slip away into Pakistan.
So if bin Laden was just one guy, he was one guy surrounded by 1000s.
That does not include the Taliban fighters that were in the country by 1000s as well.
As for high tech? Even bin Laden used a satellite cell phone....almost to his demise. He used computer and thumb drives to issues orders with from his compound in Pakistan. That means his field commanders also use computers. His bomb makers used advanced triggering devices for IEDs. He was studying and testing bio and chemical WMDs. And his number two....now the head of alQeada...one Dr. elZharhiri....was big on finding a nuclear device for him.
So please don't give me 'OH the poor poor techless alQeada being picked on by the big bad America high tech'......
From bin Laden Khandar compound we obtained records on the number of alQeada rectuits that had gone thru his Afghanistan camps. 70,000 had
35,000 were still in the country. 35,000 had left.
That is supported by the battle of Tora Bora. Were the last of the 35,000 ...some 2000 fought a delaying action to allow bin Laden to slip away into Pakistan.
So if bin Laden was just one guy, he was one guy surrounded by 1000s.
That does not include the Taliban fighters that were in the country by 1000s as well.
As for high tech? Even bin Laden used a satellite cell phone....almost to his demise. He used computer and thumb drives to issues orders with from his compound in Pakistan. That means his field commanders also use computers. His bomb makers used advanced triggering devices for IEDs. He was studying and testing bio and chemical WMDs. And his number two....now the head of alQeada...one Dr. elZharhiri....was big on finding a nuclear device for him.
So please don't give me 'OH the poor poor techless alQeada being picked on by the big bad America high tech'......
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maxmate1: We already busted that lie scam. It was congressman Charlie Wilson who did that.
It took several years for the US to infiltrate all these regions, armed the terrorists with weapons and create a chaos so that US can legitimize its involvement at the behest of Isreal. Reagon's own assistant secretary of State (treasury) in the white house revealed the truth. (paul craig roberts) O'Bama and O'Sama (rhyme rhyme)
And you really believe so?
It took several years for the US to infiltrate all these regions, armed the terrorists with weapons and create a chaos so that US can legitimize its involvement at the behest of Isreal. Reagon's own assistant secretary of State (treasury) in the white house revealed the truth. (paul craig roberts) O'Bama and O'Sama (rhyme rhyme)
And you really believe so?
Charlie did get Congress to contribute to the Mushadeen effort against the Russians with money and eventual stinger missile. But do you really think that the estimated 100,000+ Mushadeen that were fighting against the combine Afghan and Russian forces of near 1m were solely supported by US aid?
When Charlie got his first funds for the Mushadeen it was only 5m. It grew in size as the war grew. And he only got them the stingers in the final two years of the conflict.
Enter in the Saudi and Persian gulf money men. Later in the first days of the post 911 conflict....these same were seen carrying 'briefcases of money' to fund the Taliban. The Chinese that supplied the Mushadeen with North Korean weapons. Pakistan that let the shipment cross the borders. And even one Perez Musharref, then President of Paksitan....who just happened to have organized the Mushadeen into a
para military force to first fight the Indian army supported and funded the Mushadeen.
Lastly......after the Russian/Afghan war ended....according to Congressional testimony sworn to by Richard Bear, CIA director on the region during the period....we only three CIA agents in the region.
The region had gone cold....the Rusian were gone....and Lebanon was hot. We moved our intell assests to middle east away from Central Asia.
Am not sure how mush inflitrating 3 CIA agents can do.
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ttom500: Charlie did get Congress to contribute to the Mushadeen effort against the Russians with money and eventual stinger missile. But do you really think that the estimated 100,000+ Mushadeen that were fighting against the combine Afghan and Russian forces of near 1m were solely supported by US aid?
When Charlie got his first funds for the Mushadeen it was only 5m. It grew in size as the war grew. And he only got them the stingers in the final two years of the conflict.
Enter in the Saudi and Persian gulf money men. Later in the first days of the post 911 conflict....these same were seen carrying 'briefcases of money' to fund the Taliban. The Chinese that supplied the Mushadeen with North Korean weapons. Pakistan that let the shipment cross the borders. And even one Perez Musharref, then President of Paksitan....who just happened to have organized the Mushadeen into a
para military force to first fight the Indian army supported and funded the Mushadeen.
Lastly......after the Russian/Afghan war ended....according to Congressional testimony sworn to by Richard Bear, CIA director on the region during the period....we only three CIA agents in the region.
The region had gone cold....the Rusian were gone....and Lebanon was hot. We moved our intell assests to middle east away from Central Asia.
Am not sure how mush inflitrating 3 CIA agents can do.
cold war goes on.they know usa,can send them all,back to stone age,we have to watch out for chem weapons,so we play on afgan,etc.turf,till new world order takes over,mitt bein frontman now for wall st.etc.When Charlie got his first funds for the Mushadeen it was only 5m. It grew in size as the war grew. And he only got them the stingers in the final two years of the conflict.
Enter in the Saudi and Persian gulf money men. Later in the first days of the post 911 conflict....these same were seen carrying 'briefcases of money' to fund the Taliban. The Chinese that supplied the Mushadeen with North Korean weapons. Pakistan that let the shipment cross the borders. And even one Perez Musharref, then President of Paksitan....who just happened to have organized the Mushadeen into a
para military force to first fight the Indian army supported and funded the Mushadeen.
Lastly......after the Russian/Afghan war ended....according to Congressional testimony sworn to by Richard Bear, CIA director on the region during the period....we only three CIA agents in the region.
The region had gone cold....the Rusian were gone....and Lebanon was hot. We moved our intell assests to middle east away from Central Asia.
Am not sure how mush inflitrating 3 CIA agents can do.
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reb56: cold war goes on.they know usa,can send them all,back to stone age,we have to watch out for chem weapons,so we play on afgan,etc.turf,till new world order takes over,mitt bein frontman now for wall st.etc.
Repb, I have thought about this trans Afghan oil pipeline argument for a time. I think it got a big hole in it.
Why build a pipeline in a region, were you also start conflict. Because as we learned in Iraq.....were the pipeline was bombed 500 times....they are as soft a target as Dolly Partin's fine enhancements.
So does it make sense....start a conflict....to build a pipeline that is going to get bombed and destroyed? No, to me it does not.
Tell you something else that doesnot make sense. That after bin Laden had assembled his 911 brigade of 900 from the Persian Gulf region....Saudi, UEA, Dubia...etc.....that the region is not going to send them to Afghanistan to fight the Russians without funds and arms.
What were the 900 of the 911 Brigade going to fight with? Spit balls? Or arms that Charlie Wilson supplied thru the CIA? CIA Richard Bear said again in sworn testimony he met bin Laden only 3 times.......
Someone from the middle east was funding bin Laden 911 Brigade and his 900. To the point, that the Taliban well jealous of them. See weapons in the Central Asia region are a sign of honor, power and authority. That is why the Taliban decorate their Ak-47 in the gun shops of Peshwar.
But when the 911 Brigade shows up....equipped with the finest Persian Gulf Oil money can buy.....things get a little testie between the Taliban and alQeada. So testie that the Taliban would not fight with the 911 Brigade. Why were the Taliban testie with the alQeada? alQeada had them out armed.
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TaotehChing: okay, so you have found me out. I have little knowledge about all of this, but by my babbling display you have managed to provide much useful information. So i bow down to you albertaghost and i thankyou. I am humbled before you.
But i'll be back albertaghost - first, i have to do some research- as i can see many holes in your backlash, like the big hole in your head! Until then, i leave you with this for your perusal:
'In the first years after Afghanistan was invaded, as they removed the oppressive regime of the Taliban and many promises were made to people, many people seemed sympathetic to the US and allied forces. But in the later years, as they did nothing for the people, installed a corrupt government, and killed many civilians, they lost support. And people discovered that behind the nice name of "International Security Assistance Force" is in fact just another foreign occupation of Afghanistan.'(Malalai Joya)
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maxmate1: We already busted that lie scam. It was congressman Charlie Wilson who did that.
It took several years for the US to infiltrate all these regions, armed the terrorists with weapons and create a chaos so that US can legitimize its involvement at the behest of Isreal. Reagon's own assistant secretary of State (treasury) in the white house revealed the truth. (paul craig roberts) O'Bama and O'Sama (rhyme rhyme)
And you really believe so?
It took several years for the US to infiltrate all these regions, armed the terrorists with weapons and create a chaos so that US can legitimize its involvement at the behest of Isreal. Reagon's own assistant secretary of State (treasury) in the white house revealed the truth. (paul craig roberts) O'Bama and O'Sama (rhyme rhyme)
And you really believe so?
Max, you have come out from the shadows and shone your light so brightly! O'bama, O'sama
hahahaha. Except O'bama is acting as US puppet show confederate ie. "and now what do i have to do here?", whereas o'sama was a free-thinking, however misleading, terrorist strategist. So perhaps the song should go more like this..."Oh Sama, Oh Bama.....". Left on his ownsome, obama needs a man to take the lead. Such a romantic couple, dont you think!? Just like you and me.------ This thread is Archived ------
ttom500: Charlie did get Congress to contribute to the Mushadeen effort against the Russians with money and eventual stinger missile. But do you really think that the estimated 100,000+ Mushadeen that were fighting against the combine Afghan and Russian forces of near 1m were solely supported by US aid?
When Charlie got his first funds for the Mushadeen it was only 5m. It grew in size as the war grew. And he only got them the stingers in the final two years of the conflict.
Enter in the Saudi and Persian gulf money men. Later in the first days of the post 911 conflict....these same were seen carrying 'briefcases of money' to fund the Taliban. The Chinese that supplied the Mushadeen with North Korean weapons. Pakistan that let the shipment cross the borders. And even one Perez Musharref, then President of Paksitan....who just happened to have organized the Mushadeen into a
para military force to first fight the Indian army supported and funded the Mushadeen.
Lastly......after the Russian/Afghan war ended....according to Congressional testimony sworn to by Richard Bear, CIA director on the region during the period....we only three CIA agents in the region.
The region had gone cold....the Rusian were gone....and Lebanon was hot. We moved our intell assests to middle east away from Central Asia.
Am not sure how mush inflitrating 3 CIA agents can do.
When Charlie got his first funds for the Mushadeen it was only 5m. It grew in size as the war grew. And he only got them the stingers in the final two years of the conflict.
Enter in the Saudi and Persian gulf money men. Later in the first days of the post 911 conflict....these same were seen carrying 'briefcases of money' to fund the Taliban. The Chinese that supplied the Mushadeen with North Korean weapons. Pakistan that let the shipment cross the borders. And even one Perez Musharref, then President of Paksitan....who just happened to have organized the Mushadeen into a
para military force to first fight the Indian army supported and funded the Mushadeen.
Lastly......after the Russian/Afghan war ended....according to Congressional testimony sworn to by Richard Bear, CIA director on the region during the period....we only three CIA agents in the region.
The region had gone cold....the Rusian were gone....and Lebanon was hot. We moved our intell assests to middle east away from Central Asia.
Am not sure how mush inflitrating 3 CIA agents can do.
i was marvelling at your knowledge and precision until you opened your mouth at the end "Am not sure how much infiltrating 3 CIA agents can do?". You must think Maxmate a dimwit or then you are. 3 CIA agents to infiltrate this vast central asian region!? no way. That comes from US 'feign' aid, supporting madrassas funds from Saudi Arabia (where students were 'indoctrinated in a rigid and militant form of Islam), handing out weaponry like it were gumballs, and procuring a mass media circus where the US hero's have come to save the day against the terrorists that they themselves had helped create. This all happened over time beginning with the opportunity of the Americans to wipe out the Russians and become the leading SUPERPOWER OF THE WORLD! Of course they would leave when they had no other reason to stay - their infiltration , or their molesting motivations, were set and running without their 'feign' aid. No reason to stay, "lets go get what we really are looking for! OIL!!!
(as they rub their greedy little hands together in glee). The CIA are merely spies to detect upsets to US motivations; they do not 'infiltrate'. This is up to the big guys,that is, the small group of top-secret high-govt commanders that run the show with a central aim to acquire more power, more wealth. They dont like to be known.------ This thread is Archived ------
Conrad73: if they only KNEW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After his death, Osama bin Laden went to heaven.
There he was greeted by George Washington, who proceeded to slap him across the face and yell at him, "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!"
Patrick Henry approached and punched Osama in the nose and shouted, "You wanted to end our liberties but you failed."
James Madison entered, kicked Osama and said, "This is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!"
Thomas Jefferson came in and proceeded to beat Osama many times with a long cane and said, "It was evil men like you that provided me the inspiration to pen the Declaration of Independence!"
These beatings and thrashings continued as John Rudolph, James Monroe and 66 other early Americans came in and unleashed their anger on the Muslim terrorist leader.
As Osama lay bleeding and writhing! in unbearable pain an Angel appeared.
Bin Laden wept in pain and said to the Angel, "This is not what you promised me."
The Angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you up here. What did you think I said?"
After his death, Osama bin Laden went to heaven.
There he was greeted by George Washington, who proceeded to slap him across the face and yell at him, "How dare you try to destroy the nation I helped conceive!"
Patrick Henry approached and punched Osama in the nose and shouted, "You wanted to end our liberties but you failed."
James Madison entered, kicked Osama and said, "This is why I allowed our government to provide for the common defense!"
Thomas Jefferson came in and proceeded to beat Osama many times with a long cane and said, "It was evil men like you that provided me the inspiration to pen the Declaration of Independence!"
These beatings and thrashings continued as John Rudolph, James Monroe and 66 other early Americans came in and unleashed their anger on the Muslim terrorist leader.
As Osama lay bleeding and writhing! in unbearable pain an Angel appeared.
Bin Laden wept in pain and said to the Angel, "This is not what you promised me."
The Angel replied, "I told you there would be 72 Virginians waiting for you up here. What did you think I said?"
how could i not chuckle at this Conrad? you are the funniest man i know . But it's only a joke right!? You see, muslims have guts to die to themselves for grander schemes not of this world's understanding, whereas Christians only use the idea (to die to themself, hence Christ on the Cross) to buildup a firing brigade and a smokescreen for this world. Hence, the substance problem i referred to when impressing Albertaghost with American-mindset that fails to penetrate any deeper than the ordinary senses. You have displayed this brilliantly. You are still the master!------ This thread is Archived ------
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Of course thier was a benefit, what was done to stop the talaban had to be done. I was simply pointing out how many innocent lives have been lost on both sides and how sad it is. And btw lm probably unbalanced