Teaching Boys to be Men (52)
serene56: At least one school in Sydney has decided its Year Nine boys need a touch of civility drilled into them so St Augustine’s College has introduced classes which teach the teenagers how to iron, sew, make the bed, shake hands properly and who should pay for dinner on a first date. (excerpt from mamamia.com.au/news)
What do you think of this and is it something that could be introduced into more schools?
What do you think of this and is it something that could be introduced into more schools?
Just what are parents for. School is for the Five Core Subjects. Of which Teachers are way overloaded to teach properly. Schools these day try too hard to do the job Parents are suppose to be doing.
I do wish all these do good societies would place the responsibilities for Kids in the right place. With the Parents.
You Know what would be a good idea. If Parents applied for licences to have kids. And while the government is at it, Stricter licences to get married with a higher minimum age set.
OH but wait, That would mean governments controlling individual freedom of choice. And we can't have that can we.
So if we can't allow ourselves as a society to control the individual, Then we have to accept the society of the future for what it will be.
Leave the schools alone and point fingers at the Parents. Remember what our Parents told us and we mostly ignored.
wysterious1: We don't need to write about it Daggy
How Bloody True !! ..................................
dragondog4: Just what are parents for. School is for the Five Core Subjects. Of which Teachers are way overloaded to teach properly. Schools these day try too hard to do the job Parents are suppose to be doing.
I do wish all these do good societies would place the responsibilities for Kids in the right place. With the Parents.
Leave the schools alone and point fingers at the Parents. Remember what our Parents told us and we mostly ignored.
I do wish all these do good societies would place the responsibilities for Kids in the right place. With the Parents.
Leave the schools alone and point fingers at the Parents. Remember what our Parents told us and we mostly ignored.
My children went to a christian school and their philosophy was that parents are the real teachers of their children. The school was there to provide children with the subject knowledge that parents usually cannot pass on that children need for their future.
Being from one of those not-so-well-to-do families, we learnt to sew those buttons we ripped off and the rips we put in our clothing (was a bit of a life-lesson as we then tried to avoid damaging clothes). We did the washing up and drying every night and when mum was ill, we had had to do all the housework. Much better than having dad's mother come and stay to look after us. We also had manners drummed into us, the same things my children had drummed into them.
we all seem to talking about MANNERS, who's fault is it and why.
I blame OUR generation, (born in the 50's-60's). Why, how many of us grew up saying i am going to give my kids all the things i missed out on?
What was wrong with the way we grew up, yes please, no thank you, seen and not heard, speeak when spoken to, the occasional wooden spoon on the backside, WE have been to lenient on our kids who in turn have been far more lenient on their kids.
A pray meals, (and my family were not overly religious) before eating and and and thank you before leaving the dinner table, ALL family members involved in the clearing washing drying and putting away of dishes, where is that nowadays, did we share that with our kids? no, we bought dishwashers, i didnt, i raised 3 children on my own from the ages of 8,7 (girls) and 2 (boy), i raised them as i was, and they are fine upstanding citizens today, we played ball games in the front yard, climbed trees together, scrapped our knees, My kids when growing up missed the atari's and computer games, to be outside or play monopoly, or scrabble.
Our generation is to blame, as grand parents, when we have our grand children, lets do what we should be doing, teaching them the things our children (their parents) wont.
Thank you.
I blame OUR generation, (born in the 50's-60's). Why, how many of us grew up saying i am going to give my kids all the things i missed out on?
What was wrong with the way we grew up, yes please, no thank you, seen and not heard, speeak when spoken to, the occasional wooden spoon on the backside, WE have been to lenient on our kids who in turn have been far more lenient on their kids.
A pray meals, (and my family were not overly religious) before eating and and and thank you before leaving the dinner table, ALL family members involved in the clearing washing drying and putting away of dishes, where is that nowadays, did we share that with our kids? no, we bought dishwashers, i didnt, i raised 3 children on my own from the ages of 8,7 (girls) and 2 (boy), i raised them as i was, and they are fine upstanding citizens today, we played ball games in the front yard, climbed trees together, scrapped our knees, My kids when growing up missed the atari's and computer games, to be outside or play monopoly, or scrabble.
Our generation is to blame, as grand parents, when we have our grand children, lets do what we should be doing, teaching them the things our children (their parents) wont.
Thank you.
All children need to be taught respect,common sense,
Take them through a video of a parent with a disabled child,a child born premature, show them what the real hurdles in child raring are all about then some may not be so keen to fall pregnant. Take them to a ward with car accident victims,show them the real facts about having ( what they call a bit of fun)
Take them through a video of a parent with a disabled child,a child born premature, show them what the real hurdles in child raring are all about then some may not be so keen to fall pregnant. Take them to a ward with car accident victims,show them the real facts about having ( what they call a bit of fun)
A 4 month Military service for all [non combantant] will teach them everything and above how to behave responsibilty with the added benefit of how to defend ones own country
Come on people, who are we kidding? 4 months military will do nothing for respect of authority, and with the baby bonus they cant wait to fall pregnant. cant blame the Labour Party for that one.
Too ;ate for salvation, just have to grin and bear it.
Too ;ate for salvation, just have to grin and bear it.
tonyxf: Come on people, who are we kidding? 4 months military will do nothing for respect of authority, and with the baby bonus they cant wait to fall pregnant. cant blame the Labour Party for that one.
Too ;ate for salvation, just have to grin and bear it.
Too ;ate for salvation, just have to grin and bear it.
Have you ever done military training I did 20years and was an RSM and belive me boys change inside 4 months and at least they have the basics of discapline and other attributes which could be continued in the reserves
Teaching boys to me men? Or lets brag about how good our kids are? 
I think self independence is a good thing, for both male and female. This is why I would recommend two year national service for both, at least part time.
I read in one of the topics earlier abut chivalry and should young people standing up for an elderly person on trains busses ..etc For me it would depend on what time of the day it was. See, pensioners are quite ignorant despite their age. They leave to go on their daily outings just after the rush hour and come back at the same time as tired working class go home. So should an 18, 25 year old stand up for an hour for these nuisance passengers? Hell no!!! after 10 hours at work, Im pretty sure young people get just as tired and they have earned their rest same as everybody else… JMO.
I think self independence is a good thing, for both male and female. This is why I would recommend two year national service for both, at least part time.
I read in one of the topics earlier abut chivalry and should young people standing up for an elderly person on trains busses ..etc For me it would depend on what time of the day it was. See, pensioners are quite ignorant despite their age. They leave to go on their daily outings just after the rush hour and come back at the same time as tired working class go home. So should an 18, 25 year old stand up for an hour for these nuisance passengers? Hell no!!! after 10 hours at work, Im pretty sure young people get just as tired and they have earned their rest same as everybody else… JMO.
bryane1: Have you ever done military training I did 20years and was an RSM and belive me boys change inside 4 months and at least they have the basics of discapline and other attributes which could be continued in the reserves
Yeah sure and get your kids really screwed up
II. Plaintiff was then posted back to Papakura Camp ex basic recruits course on 29 April 1964, Pon No 4857, the plaintiff received something less than two weeks basic training.
Later in the year on 7th August 1966, the plaintiff was posted to a Recruiting drive on occasion that he was grossly ill treated as he was cruelly ordered to dress in the dress of the Viet Cong.
A. The plaintiff paraded through all Northland towns as far North as Kaitaia, he was running down each main street being pursued by others firing blanks, then falling down pretend shot dead, file ref: Mo 140 c.
B. The plaintiff believes that sort of physiological training was cruel. As not long later, he was required to function with almost no support at all, more often than not unarmed.
C. The plaintiff driving all alone amongst the enemy, throughout more than the one year on-active service in South Vietnam.
c. His service records propose (a) a Re-engagement contract was entered into at Fort Cautley on the 31st day of October 1966, (b) that, that contract was soon after cancelled and (c) another Re-Engagement contract entered into at Papakura Camp before L\cpl J. A. Goodman on the 10th day of November 1966 at Papakura and another July 1967.
e. The plaintiff states the only Re-engagement he knowingly signed was signed while posted to 161 BTY at Papakura some time in February \ March 1966.
h. Army rely and allege (d) whilst serving with HQ NZ V Force in Saigon he applied for premature release from the NZ Army in March 1967.
i. The plaintiff says he did not apply for early release from the army while serving in Vietnam nor either at any other time.
j. Army also say (e) he relinquished appointment 1st day of July 1967 (Line 16) and assumed appointment Driver RNZASC Line 21 Collum D Pon No 189605 while in Saigon, South Vietnam.
k. The plaintiff begs why would he have applied for early release as army allege, and also quite soon after extend his service contract?
l. If his contract was extended, how long for, and where are the documents?
ii. That vaccination records Col Taylor produced at Rotorua clearly display fabricated records, and there is also visible evidence of the plaintiff having received yellow fever vaccination in February 1966. A vaccination only given for service in South Vietnam, further those records produced by Col Taylor, show other vaccination given mid 1966, also related only to his subsequent Service in South Vietnam, vaccinations long before army alleged first Re-engagement contract or posting occurred 31st October 1966.
AgentAjax: Teaching boys to me men? Or lets brag about how good our kids are?
I think self independence is a good thing, for both male and female. This is why I would recommend two year national service for both, at least part time.
So should an 18, 25 year old stand up for an hour for these nuisance passengers? Hell no!!! after 10 hours at work, Im pretty sure young people get just as tired and they have earned their rest same as everybody else… JMO.
I think self independence is a good thing, for both male and female. This is why I would recommend two year national service for both, at least part time.
So should an 18, 25 year old stand up for an hour for these nuisance passengers? Hell no!!! after 10 hours at work, Im pretty sure young people get just as tired and they have earned their rest same as everybody else… JMO.
Brag about our kids? Why not if we taught them the things they need to get on in life and not expect someone else to do it for them.
National Service? You have to be kidding for 2 years to be forced from you to something you don't support at 20 years. A big loss if you are studying or doing an apprenticeship not to mention that this is the age when you start to enjoy (and afford) the social nicities of life. Especially 40 years ago when it was very macho in the services. My father had been in the Army and when I was called up, he got papers for me to join the Air Force! 2 years was good for many people but why have we got so many maladjusted males from that era who did National Service? 1 year straight out of school always sounded good to me and still does after all these years. Works in many countries around the world.
Getting up for 'oldies.' I wish they would then I could get a seat. I have always suffered from a middle ear problem and unable to stand still for long periods. Passed out once on a train when I was about 20 and 3 old ladies gave up their seat for me to lie down. Everyone else had turned their backs. Harps back to manners and caring for others.
Same as when an older lady tripped in the shops today. Women rushed up to help, I just happened to be very close when it happened (no, not my foot). One lady suggested I drag a nearby chair over. A guy about 30 even offered to help me drag a couch over. Manners and caring for others. I declined as I thought she might be more embarressed by the couch, she accepted the chair but not the fuss we were making.
Thanks for your replies everyone, some really interesting reponses here 
My immediate reaction on reading the article was that (as many have said) everyone should have the basic skills required to take care of themselves and their belongings, keep a house clean etc.
On thinking that, I reflected on how many instances I have observed, or heard about, where a parent takes care of all those things until a 'child' is well into their adulthood, particularly as many are staying in the family home far longer than once was the case.
Hence many leave home and set up house with absolutely no idea of how to load a washing machine, clean a toilet and cook a basic meal.
And dating etiquette is not a skill we are born with either so some guidance wouldn't be wasted would it
Whether this learning is appropriate within a school setting is a moot point, however I consider the fact that there are many sole parents out there, a large proportion women, and many boys do not have a stable male figure in their lives to guide them as they grow into men.
My immediate reaction on reading the article was that (as many have said) everyone should have the basic skills required to take care of themselves and their belongings, keep a house clean etc.
On thinking that, I reflected on how many instances I have observed, or heard about, where a parent takes care of all those things until a 'child' is well into their adulthood, particularly as many are staying in the family home far longer than once was the case.
Hence many leave home and set up house with absolutely no idea of how to load a washing machine, clean a toilet and cook a basic meal.
And dating etiquette is not a skill we are born with either so some guidance wouldn't be wasted would it
Whether this learning is appropriate within a school setting is a moot point, however I consider the fact that there are many sole parents out there, a large proportion women, and many boys do not have a stable male figure in their lives to guide them as they grow into men.
wysterious1: Many children grow up with two stable parents and still have no idea
Hmm they're probably the ones who stay home with Mum and Dad until they're 38
And even then, Mum and Dad have to change the locks
wysterious1: Many children grow up with two stable parents and still have no idea
and Whose that?? ..
Mr and Mrs Ed .................................
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wysterious1: Many children grow up with two stable parents and still have no idea
I moved out when I was 16 with a friend and we both almost died from poor hygiene. I thought back then parents use to make you take a bath daily because they didn’t like you. 
YES I think it's a bloody good idea because if you don't teach boys they will never know and guess who suffer later on, yeah their girlfriends and future wives.
So yes and I have raised 2 boys who can do of that and no way are they poofs
Both through school did cooking, sewing and it paid off as just having a giggle to myself as I used to mend their clothes when they were younger and I can actually as teenagers and they had a rip in clothing or button off an item of clothing they liked, they would mend it themselves.
And also when I used to go away and leave them the house to party in, they always cleaning up and vacummed and etc so when i returned home, the house was clean
So if boys arent taught the basics, then thats their excuse for not being able to do the most simple daily chores live.
So yes and I have raised 2 boys who can do of that and no way are they poofs
Both through school did cooking, sewing and it paid off as just having a giggle to myself as I used to mend their clothes when they were younger and I can actually as teenagers and they had a rip in clothing or button off an item of clothing they liked, they would mend it themselves.
And also when I used to go away and leave them the house to party in, they always cleaning up and vacummed and etc so when i returned home, the house was clean
So if boys arent taught the basics, then thats their excuse for not being able to do the most simple daily chores live.
tarnsnz: YES I think it's a bloody good idea because if you don't teach boys they will never know and guess who suffer later on, yeah their girlfriends and future wives.So yes and I have raised 2 boys who can do of that and no way are they poofs
Both through school did cooking, sewing and it paid off as just having a giggle to myself as I used to mend their clothes when they were younger and I can actually as teenagers and they had a rip in clothing or button off an item of clothing they liked, they would mend it themselves.
And also when I used to go away and leave them the house to party in, they always cleaning up and vacummed and etc so when i returned home, the house was clean
So if boys arent taught the basics, then thats their excuse for not being able to do the most simple daily chores live.
Both through school did cooking, sewing and it paid off as just having a giggle to myself as I used to mend their clothes when they were younger and I can actually as teenagers and they had a rip in clothing or button off an item of clothing they liked, they would mend it themselves.
And also when I used to go away and leave them the house to party in, they always cleaning up and vacummed and etc so when i returned home, the house was clean
So if boys arent taught the basics, then thats their excuse for not being able to do the most simple daily chores live.
True story…. When the ripped jeans came into fashion my mother sewed mine up and the ripped stonewashed ones she threw away. There was no way she was going let any of her sons walk the streets like that while their mother was still alive.
AgentAjax: True story…. When the ripped jeans came into fashion my mother sewed mine up and the ripped stonewashed ones she threw away. There was no way she was going let any of her sons walk the streets like that while their mother was still alive.
My Mum used to tell my brothers when they were fighting, "just remember, your rip your clothes, you mend em" My brothers used to go on fighting until one would start losing, and as he was a bad loser he used to deliberately rip the other ones clothing.
The older brother would then just size the clothes ripper up and go bop. And go away muttering coz he had to mend his clothes. But it was a good lesson for him as he ended up a professional fisherman and has to mend nets. He had the advantage over most coz he was used to working with thread!
oh and our house was not prejudgice either... I learned to change tyres, change tap washers and lots of other stuff as well
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WE DID NOT!!! twas that silly Germaine Greer that started the trend, and then the fellas thought it was what we wanted... and passed the law.. Damn that Germaine chick... personally I think she made it heaps worse....