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Jun 10, 2012 11:43 AM CST Questioning Christianity
Dadude62
Dadude62Dadude62Elkton, Maryland USA1,120 Posts
ooby_dooby: This guy says it way better than I can.


A realist,,,, thumbs up
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Jun 10, 2012 7:10 PM CST Questioning Christianity
GoodHeartforYou
GoodHeartforYouGoodHeartforYouEarth, Alaska USA5 Threads 4 Polls 218 Posts
Can you really believe in words that have been translated through several languages over the last 2000 years all by humans....Was God with all those different human translators through all those generations and telling them what to write in each of their different language? Again there is no Bible - there is a text from around 300AD that has been deemed the oldest Bible, but it is written in a language that has been unknown/extinct for over 1500 years

It is totally absurd in my mind - but then again you have L Ron Hubbard and Scientology....

As PT Barnum said "there is a fool born every minute"
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Jun 10, 2012 7:41 PM CST Questioning Christianity
Zebaztian
ZebaztianZebaztianOslo, Norway9 Threads 1 Polls 278 Posts
GoodHeartforYou: Can you really believe in words that have been translated through several languages over the last 2000 years all by humans....Was God with all those different human translators through all those generations and telling them what to write in each of their different language? Again there is no Bible - there is a text from around 300AD that has been deemed the oldest Bible, but it is written in a language that has been unknown/extinct for over 1500 years

It is totally absurd in my mind - but then again you have L Ron Hubbard and Scientology....

As PT Barnum said "there is a fool born every minute"


People can't separate beliefs from facts and mix up what the truth really is. Humbleness starts when it's clear that I have a belief not that I have a truth. Especially when I want to make "my truth" into "your truth". When that's not obvious, you will have conflicts that people could die for, so they can save some souls from going to hell.

Definition of BELIEF (from Merriam Webster's dictionary)

1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
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Jun 10, 2012 11:02 PM CST Questioning Christianity
Devout believers suffer from what in the stock market it known as "Confirmation Bias".



In short, your own mind acts like a compulsive yes-man who echoes whatever you want to believe. Psychologists call this mental gremlin the "confirmation bias." A recent analysis of psychological studies with nearly 8,000 participants concluded that people are twice as likely to seek information that confirms what they already believe as they are to consider evidence that would challenge those beliefs.

Why is a mind-made-up so hard to penetrate?
"We're all mentally lazy," says psychologist Scott Lilienfeld of Emory University in Atlanta. "It's simply easier to focus our attention on data that supports our hypothesis, rather than to seek out evidence that might disprove it."

It also is easier for people to rationalize than to be rational. "We're very good at cooking up post-hoc explanations of why our predictions didn't work," Prof. Lilienfeld says. "We reinterpret our failures as near-misses: 'This stock would have gone up if only X had happened,' or '99 times out of 100 I would have been right if not for this freak event.'"

The more you learn, the more certain you become that you are right. While gathering more data makes people more confident, it doesn't make their predictions much more accurate. Each new fact makes you more inclined to find another fact that resembles it, reducing the diversity and value of your information.

Confirmation bias contaminates the thinking of professional investors, too. "We've made tons of errors like this," says Staley Cates, president of Southeastern Asset Management, the Memphis, Tenn., value-investing firm that runs the Longleaf funds. "A lot of psychological traps can be combated with humility, but on this one, that doesn't help." Longleaf, Mr. Cates says, clung too long to a big position in General Motors, GM +0.92%letting product improvements and cost savings "blind us to the fact that GM might not make it" without government help.
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Jun 18, 2012 10:17 PM CST Questioning Christianity
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
ooby_dooby: Devout believers suffer from what in the stock market it known as "Confirmation Bias".

A recent analysis...concluded that people are twice as likely to seek information that confirms what they already believe as they are to consider evidence that would challenge those beliefs.


But that principal is not confined to "devout believers". It applies just as well to atheists or neo-cons or whatever.

What constitutes normative thinking varies greatly from one situation or area to another. But in any place, most people will adhere to the prevailing beliefs without even bothering to question them analytically.
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Jun 18, 2012 10:23 PM CST Questioning Christianity
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Frankly, in order to question yourself objectively, it takes God.

You have to recognize the existence of a wisdom and understanding beyond your own in order to really question your beliefs.

Otherwise your questioning will automatically confirm what you already believe to be right.
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