This Is An Example Of What Gun Owners Are Talking About Defending Themselves (217)
Glatlol: So you have a guy with a crowbar, there to burgle the house and you think he should be shot and killed so that he wont burgle another house
I agree that burglary does not warrant a death penalty. But do I have to stand there and watch as the criminal takes my belongings ? Am I within my right to try and stop him ? Or are only the police afforded that right ? They use guns too to subdue the criminal BTW.
And if I do try to stop him, and he becomes violent then am I within my right to defend myself ? And to what extend ? Should I take a chance at being beaten with a crowbar ? Or watch my kids being beaten or abducted ?
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Dadude62: I agree that burglary does not warrant a death penalty. But do I have to stand there and watch as the criminal takes my belongings ? Am I within my right to try and stop him ? Or are only the police afforded that right ? They use guns too to subdue the criminal BTW.
And if I do try to stop him, and he becomes violent then am I within my right to defend myself ? And to what extend ? Should I take a chance at being beaten with a crowbar ? Or watch my kids being beaten or abducted ?
And if I do try to stop him, and he becomes violent then am I within my right to defend myself ? And to what extend ? Should I take a chance at being beaten with a crowbar ? Or watch my kids being beaten or abducted ?
LOL man
if u wait for the police... u gonna get killed twice and robbed 4 times before they get there......Belongings are personal things.. so i would protect my personal stuff and KICK THE ROBBER BUTT!!!!! if i am able on doing so...
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Glatlol: Firstly I am sorry about your friend,
But I dont see how the question was irrelevant, I think it is very relevant, yes the criminal shouldnt have been there but there was an alternative way of dealing with the situation. Why kill him when it wasnt necessary?
But I dont see how the question was irrelevant, I think it is very relevant, yes the criminal shouldnt have been there but there was an alternative way of dealing with the situation. Why kill him when it wasnt necessary?
G, how can you know when it isn't necessary to kill a person that enters your house in the middle of the night? They didn't knock on the door or ring the doorbell. This guy broke a window to get into the house.
Let's say this becomes a court case. The prosecutor asks the criminal "What was your intent when you entered the home". His response will be what his jail terms is. The key word in that question is "intent". That's the word that determines what many jury decisions are based on.
Today, the New York Governor signed the first gun law in the U.S. since the Newton, CT tradegy that killed 26 people.
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montemonte: G, how can you know when it isn't necessary to kill a person that enters your house in the middle of the night? They didn't knock on the door or ring the doorbell. This guy broke a window to get into the house.
Let's say this becomes a court case. The prosecutor asks the criminal "What was your intent when you entered the home". His response will be what his jail terms is. The key word in that question is "intent". That's the word that determines what many jury decisions are based on.
Today, the New York Governor signed the first gun law in the U.S. since the Newton, CT tradegy that killed 26 people.
Let's say this becomes a court case. The prosecutor asks the criminal "What was your intent when you entered the home". His response will be what his jail terms is. The key word in that question is "intent". That's the word that determines what many jury decisions are based on.
Today, the New York Governor signed the first gun law in the U.S. since the Newton, CT tradegy that killed 26 people.
What I had suggested Monte was that the home owner shout that they had a gun and fire a warning shot, surely a burgler with a crowbar would run from the house at that? Thats what I meant by not being necessary to kill the burgler.
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L_B76: LOL man if u wait for the police... u gonna get killed twice and robbed 4 times before they get there......
Belongings are personal things.. so i would protect my personal stuff and KICK THE ROBBER BUTT!!!!! if i am able on doing so...
Belongings are personal things.. so i would protect my personal stuff and KICK THE ROBBER BUTT!!!!! if i am able on doing so...
Yes, waiting for the police, the robber would have enough time to call one of his buddies from across town to come and join the party.
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Glatlol: What I had suggested Monte was that the home owner shout that they had a gun and fire a warning shot, surely a burgler with a crowbar would run from the house at that? Thats what I meant by not being necessary to kill the burgler.
Actually, I wouldn't waste time saying I had a gun, I would fire a warning shot and if it happens to hit his leg, so be it. The sound of locking and loading might be enough to scare him off. My intent would NOT be to kill the person. I agree, a burglar with a crowbar isn't as serious a criminal as one with a gun but I still wouldn't take a chance.
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Glatlol: What I had suggested Monte was that the home owner shout that they had a gun and fire a warning shot, surely a burgler with a crowbar would run from the house at that? Thats what I meant by not being necessary to kill the burgler.
Fair enough,, what if he did not leave and advanced ?
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Dadude62: Fair enough,, what if he did not leave and advanced ?
DD......I just posted in a new thread the gun law that New York passed today. Check it out.
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Dadude62: Fair enough,, what if he did not leave and advanced ?
And if you where armed with a crowbar would you go up against a gun?
Anyway as I have said before since guns, thankfully, are not readily available here I wont find myself in the situation where I have to decide.
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Glatlol: So you have a guy with a crowbar, there to burgle the house and you think he should be shot and killed so that he wont burgle another house
Have you ever spoken to victims of a burglary? They are traumatized, esp. if the robber credibly threatened or used physical violence.
I cannot think of any burglar who ever entered a home with honorable intentions. As a resident, I do not know whether the burglar is armed or not.
If he has a crowbar and feels threatened by my presence or me surprising him, he can very easily kill me with one blow. You are talking about people who have a criminal mindset already. If they're on drugs, then that makes matters even worse for the resident because they are totally unpredictable.
Reasoning with a criminal who already decided that you are the victim is something for the movies.
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Scubadiva: Have you ever spoken to victims of a burglary? They are traumatized, esp. if the robber credibly threatened or used physical violence.
I cannot think of any burglar who ever entered a home with honorable intentions. As a resident, I do not know whether the burglar is armed or not.
If he has a crowbar and feels threatened by my presence or me surprising him, he can very easily kill me with one blow. You are talking about people who have a criminal mindset already. If they're on drugs, then that makes matters even worse for the resident because they are totally unpredictable.
Reasoning with a criminal who already decided that you are the victim is something for the movies.
I cannot think of any burglar who ever entered a home with honorable intentions. As a resident, I do not know whether the burglar is armed or not.
If he has a crowbar and feels threatened by my presence or me surprising him, he can very easily kill me with one blow. You are talking about people who have a criminal mindset already. If they're on drugs, then that makes matters even worse for the resident because they are totally unpredictable.
Reasoning with a criminal who already decided that you are the victim is something for the movies.
Have been one, on more than one occasion. Still dont think it gives me the right to kill the guys.
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Glatlol: Have been one, on more than one occasion. Still dont think it gives me the right to kill the guys.
Doesnt
Sorry.
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Glatlol: Have been one, on more than one occasion. Still dont think it gives me the right to kill the guys.
Of course not. Killing is a last resort if one's own life is threatened. The problem is that most normal people (gun owners) are not trained to use a gun. Add the heat of the moment and a shot can go in the wrong direction and the burglar can overwhelm the resident and make matters even worse. So I am the first to acknowledge that there are a great many problems with the self-defense argument.Quite frankly, I like the way they do it in Germany. Everyone who applies for a license must take a theoretical test that covers ballistics, laws and rules. The person must be registered with a sports club and prove that they have sufficient hours of training.
None of that is required in the U.S. and really, it should be. It would not eliminate accidental killings, but it would decrease the probability.
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Just imagine if David would have had his slingshot taken away. Poor little guy would have been squashed like a grape by Goliath 
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DaytonaDude: Just imagine if David would have had his slingshot taken away. Poor little guy would have been squashed like a grape by Goliath
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DaytonaDude: Just imagine if David would have had his slingshot taken away. Poor little guy would have been squashed like a grape by Goliath
Never, never would happen had king obama presided over their doodoo.
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Glatlol: And if you where armed with a crowbar would you go up against a gun?Anyway as I have said before since guns, thankfully, are not readily available here I wont find myself in the situation where I have to decide.
I would not have a crowbar and be in a situation like that in the first place.
Some of these guys are popped up on some drug like PCP or something and are not easily deterred. They tend not to be mensa candidates. Some are bent on assisted suicide. Aside from the crowbar he might have a gun as well.
The reality here is different. Even if they were to outlaw guns, there are still 350,000,000 out there. A lot of them in the hands of criminals.
So answer my question, If you were in such a situation and had a gun, what would you do ?
Come up with a solution that takes guns out of the hands of criminals, not law abiding citizens.
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Dadude62: I would not have a crowbar and be in a situation like that in the first place.
Some of these guys are popped up on some drug like PCP or something and are not easily deterred. They tend not to be mensa candidates. Some are bent on assisted suicide. Aside from the crowbar he might have a gun as well.
The reality here is different. Even if they were to outlaw guns, there are still 350,000,000 out there. A lot of them in the hands of criminals.
So answer my question, If you were in such a situation and had a gun, what would you do ?
Come up with a solution that takes guns out of the hands of criminals, not law abiding citizens.
Some of these guys are popped up on some drug like PCP or something and are not easily deterred. They tend not to be mensa candidates. Some are bent on assisted suicide. Aside from the crowbar he might have a gun as well.
The reality here is different. Even if they were to outlaw guns, there are still 350,000,000 out there. A lot of them in the hands of criminals.
So answer my question, If you were in such a situation and had a gun, what would you do ?
Come up with a solution that takes guns out of the hands of criminals, not law abiding citizens.
I cannot even comprehend a situation where I would have a gun, it will never happen.
I said it on another thread, I am not going back on forth on this anymore, what I have read on here over the past few weeks saddens me deeply.
I may have no say over people thinking its ok to kill but I can control how I let it effect me so I am no longer going to even read these threads.
Its late here, goodnight.
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So you wouldn't wait and see if they was just a thief, you'd make sure he had a gun in his gut and died for a murderer.
Theres a name for people like you sir,.....
...."Americans", I'm thinking thats what it is...
the people all the other people on this planet know not to let their kids play with the kids of for very long...because their parents dont call out for them and you're left with 'em.
I dont mind that myself but its not nice for the kids......