Political Correctness (94)
Ccincy: Rohaan,I've witnessed what you describe happening all the time and not just within the workplace.
Thanx. 
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lifeisadream: What I see is a separation on species, gender, income, skin color, tittles, you name it….. but if we go back to the way our parents used to educate us and they did teach as respect, then we see that respect is missing in many aspects on the home, town, national or global bases.
I would see wrong even talking derogatively of your own group of people but perhaps delimiting the “group “ is the faulty way to see people.
There's an unpleasant cycle with all this PC. One man has an idea, a woman calls him a name for having an idea. He in turn calls her a name for calling him a name for having an idea. She calls him more names for calling her names for calling him a name for having an idea. Everybody is WRONG. Kapiche?I would see wrong even talking derogatively of your own group of people but perhaps delimiting the “group “ is the faulty way to see people.
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rohaan: There's an unpleasant cycle with all this PC. One man has an idea, a woman calls him a name for having an idea. He in turn calls her a name for calling him a name for having an idea. She calls him more names for calling her names for calling him a name for having an idea. Everybody is WRONG. Kapiche?
I agree when will people stop being persecuted for having opinions and illustrating them.
I certainly won-t be deterred from saying my opinion within the bounds of reason.
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tomcatwarne: I agree when will people stop being persecuted for having opinions and illustrating them.
I certainly won-t be deterred from saying my opinion within the bounds of reason.
I certainly won-t be deterred from saying my opinion within the bounds of reason.
It's like we're walking on eggshells and have to be careful not to offend regardless of who someone is.
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Ccincy: It's like we're walking on eggshells and have to be careful not to offend regardless of who someone is.
I agree Cindy, and I think some people are shut up for fear of criticism.
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tomcatwarne: I agree Cindy, and I think some people are shut up for fear of criticism.
Don't mean to be PC tom but my screen name is spelled C-c-i-n-c-y.
Just messing with you tom.
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Kendall42: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
Political correctness is about not saying anything negative about anything! But that's not reality, its certainly not real life.....
Whilst I don't agree with demeaning someone, criticism in the right form can be a good thing. We can learn from it, plus it means that we can express something that, if there is foundation for it, is an honest account of how we perceive things and maintain our individuality, and can often be factual. One day, it won't just be the spoken word that is rendered invalid - or even a crime, perhaps - it will be our very thoughts too! When FACTS are not permitted because someone will be offended..... its like trying to change history? Some things are a done-deal.
How does freedom of speech equate with political correctness? There's a conflict, surely?
Because of political correctness, we have increasingly edged towards tolerating the wrong things over recent times and being intolerant of other things that shouldn't be accepted. This creates a great imbalance, and any imbalance is unhealthy, IMO.
Good thread, love!
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xxDandelionxx: Political correctness is about not saying anything negative about anything! But that's not reality, its certainly not real life.....
Whilst I don't agree with demeaning someone, criticism in the right form can be a good thing. We can learn from it, plus it means that we can express something that, if there is foundation for it, is an honest account of how we perceive things and maintain our individuality, and can often be factual. One day, it won't just be the spoken word that is rendered invalid - or even a crime, perhaps - it will be our very thoughts too! When FACTS are not permitted because someone will be offended..... its like trying to change history? Some things are a done-deal.
How does freedom of speech equate with political correctness? There's a conflict, surely?
Because of political correctness, we have increasingly edged towards tolerating the wrong things over recent times and being intolerant of other things that shouldn't be accepted. This creates a great imbalance, and any imbalance is unhealthy, IMO.
Good thread, love!
Whilst I don't agree with demeaning someone, criticism in the right form can be a good thing. We can learn from it, plus it means that we can express something that, if there is foundation for it, is an honest account of how we perceive things and maintain our individuality, and can often be factual. One day, it won't just be the spoken word that is rendered invalid - or even a crime, perhaps - it will be our very thoughts too! When FACTS are not permitted because someone will be offended..... its like trying to change history? Some things are a done-deal.
How does freedom of speech equate with political correctness? There's a conflict, surely?
Because of political correctness, we have increasingly edged towards tolerating the wrong things over recent times and being intolerant of other things that should
Good thread, love!
Sorry, typo....
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Ccincy: Don't mean to be PC tom but my screen name is spelled C-c-i-n-c-y.
Just messing with you tom.
Just messing with you tom.
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my love is stronger than the universe...
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Kendall42: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
I don't believe in political correctness. It is a double and triple standard no matter what spin people put on it. To me, it is all ignorance and people that aren't able to accept or deal with straight forward terminologies and truths.
We're breaking down into a pretty weak, twisted, and sick minded society. A society that saddens and frustrates me to a point that I dare not speak because "talking points" are just more twisted logic or lack of logic, tolerance, and understanding altogether. More and more, people don't want the hard bottom line reality. They want the lies and sugar coating instead.
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Draegoneer: I don't believe in political correctness. It is a double and triple standard no matter what spin people put on it. To me, it is all ignorance and people that aren't able to accept or deal with straight forward terminologies and truths.
We're breaking down into a pretty weak, twisted, and sick minded society. A society that saddens and frustrates me to a point that I dare not speak because "talking points" are just more twisted logic or lack of logic, tolerance, and understanding altogether. More and more, people don't want the hard bottom line reality. They want the lies and sugar coating instead.
We're breaking down into a pretty weak, twisted, and sick minded society. A society that saddens and frustrates me to a point that I dare not speak because "talking points" are just more twisted logic or lack of logic, tolerance, and understanding altogether. More and more, people don't want the hard bottom line reality. They want the lies and sugar coating instead.
So you believe you have a right to say completely offensive things to someone. And to say people are breaking down to weak and twisted and sick minded society, I have to say a
lot of the things you consider sick minded have been going on for centuries.
I just find the people who hate political correctness tend to be the people who are never really affected by it.
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jono7: born in vancouver...it's been very 'multi-cultural' as long as i can remember.
what has changed is the attitude or heartbeat of the city.
what was once a lot of cultures, in one big brew pot, getting along pretty well...sharing and assimilating into a pretty nice city has changed.
some areas had so much immigration, that there was little to no attempt at assimilation, and they brought their culture and traditions without any real desire to assimilate.
combined with economic division of haves and have nots, with little room for middle class...folks became fear based..and a belief of 'not enough' has replaced the generosity of spirit that once was home.
what has changed is the attitude or heartbeat of the city.
what was once a lot of cultures, in one big brew pot, getting along pretty well...sharing and assimilating into a pretty nice city has changed.
some areas had so much immigration, that there was little to no attempt at assimilation, and they brought their culture and traditions without any real desire to assimilate.
combined with economic division of haves and have nots, with little room for middle class...folks became fear based..and a belief of 'not enough' has replaced the generosity of spirit that once was home.
Same for me, being from Toronto, although I think the same has happened in most, if not all, major cities across the globe. At least those in countries which allow immigration.
I haven't been back to TO to visit in a decade, but now there are certain areas you just don't safely go into anymore. Some not far from where I grew up, which is sad, but still a reality.
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kidatheart: Same for me, being from Toronto, although I think the same has happened in most, if not all, major cities across the globe. At least those in countries which allow immigration.
I haven't been back to TO to visit in a decade, but now there are certain areas you just don't safely go into anymore. Some not far from where I grew up, which is sad, but still a reality.
I haven't been back to TO to visit in a decade, but now there are certain areas you just don't safely go into anymore. Some not far from where I grew up, which is sad, but still a reality.
Is that because of all the Irish we keep exporting over there?
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mollybaby: Is that because of all the Irish we keep exporting over there?
No, I still feel somewhat safe around the Irish, so long as there isn't a pub or liquor store nearby.
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Kendall42: Why is it okay for people to say derogatory things about a group of people who are different from them ?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
It's just I hear people complain about political correctness. But it comes off like they just want to be able to say negative things about groups people (who are different from them) and it be okay. As if it should be accepted.
So just putting this out there.
Thoughts people?
People appear to misunderstand political correctness, as I see it.
Just in the same way people confuse feminism with female chauvinism and so derogate the concept of equal gender rights: The purpose is to bully and suffocate equal gender rights in order to maintain what they see as a personal power position.
Political correctness gone too far, cannot be political correctness by default, just as female chauvinism cannot be feminism by default.
I completely agree with you that the derogation of political correctness has an agenda, as I see it based upon fear of losing a perceived power position.
The irony is that equal rights and freedom from persecution is empowering for all, including those who persecute.
"As I walked out of the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind, I'd still be in prison." Nelson Mandela
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Of course there should be some flexibility within the law, with medical advice. Although some authourities seem to be a law unto themselves,
and I unresevedly publish this extract from the Toronto Sun.
Social workers in Britain obtained a court order to have a pregnant Italian woman forcibly sedated so her child could be removed from her womb without her consent.
The story, reported by the Telegraph, has raised questions about the powers afforded to social workers in the country.
The woman's lawyer, Brendan Fleming, called the forced operation "unprecedented."
The unnamed Italian national was in Britain for a work trip when she suffered a panic attack, which her family believes happened because she didn't take her medications for bipolar disorder.
Her lawyer told the Telegraph she called police after suffering a breakdown. Cops took to her a psychiatric hospital, where she was restrained under the Mental Health Act.
After five weeks the ward, she said she was forcibly sedated. When she woke up, she was told her child had been delivered by caesarian section.
She said nobody told her this was going to happen.
Now the woman, whom Fleming said is back on meds and has made a full recovery, wants her child back.
But a judge ruled the now 15-month-old girl should be put up for adoption in case the mother suffers a relapse.
"I have seen a number of cases of abuses of people's rights in the family courts, but this has to be one of the more extreme," said Liberal MP John Hemming, who plans to raise the issue in Parliament.
Fleming said if his client was mentally unable to consent to the procedure, her family and Italian authorities should have been involved in any decisions about her, or her baby's, welfare.
and I unresevedly publish this extract from the Toronto Sun.
Social workers in Britain obtained a court order to have a pregnant Italian woman forcibly sedated so her child could be removed from her womb without her consent.
The story, reported by the Telegraph, has raised questions about the powers afforded to social workers in the country.
The woman's lawyer, Brendan Fleming, called the forced operation "unprecedented."
The unnamed Italian national was in Britain for a work trip when she suffered a panic attack, which her family believes happened because she didn't take her medications for bipolar disorder.
Her lawyer told the Telegraph she called police after suffering a breakdown. Cops took to her a psychiatric hospital, where she was restrained under the Mental Health Act.
After five weeks the ward, she said she was forcibly sedated. When she woke up, she was told her child had been delivered by caesarian section.
She said nobody told her this was going to happen.
Now the woman, whom Fleming said is back on meds and has made a full recovery, wants her child back.
But a judge ruled the now 15-month-old girl should be put up for adoption in case the mother suffers a relapse.
"I have seen a number of cases of abuses of people's rights in the family courts, but this has to be one of the more extreme," said Liberal MP John Hemming, who plans to raise the issue in Parliament.
Fleming said if his client was mentally unable to consent to the procedure, her family and Italian authorities should have been involved in any decisions about her, or her baby's, welfare.
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I agree with what Jac is about to say.
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pedalguy59: I agree with what Jac is about to say.
The ultimate in PC, preemptive brown nosing.
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I would sue them the author and the Huffingtonpost!
I would suspect that like the UK they prefer to deal with legitimate bodies.
So, you are not going to sue them?