Tolerance and Intolerance... ( Archived) (96)

Nov 8, 2014 5:00 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
skippyguy
skippyguyskippyguyAshburton, Canterbury New Zealand26 Threads 3,825 Posts
serene56: Yet more intolerance from the self-proclaimed tolerant guy


laugh Tolerant , but i certainly don't hold all the world's knowledge in one hand hug comfort I have to use 2 professor grin
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Nov 8, 2014 5:05 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
skippyguy: Tolerant , but i certainly don't hold all the world's knowledge in one hand I have to use 2



Well-balanced eh drinking


Chip on both shoulders roll eyes



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Nov 8, 2014 5:07 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
skippyguy
skippyguyskippyguyAshburton, Canterbury New Zealand26 Threads 3,825 Posts
serene56: Well-balanced eh Chip on both shoulders


Bone Chip more like........! mumbling mumbling laugh help
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Nov 8, 2014 5:26 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
postneoludite
postneoluditepostneoluditeWest Vancouver, British Columbia Canada39 Threads 22 Polls 890 Posts
Conrad73: The precept: “Judge not, that ye be not judged” . . . is an abdication of moral responsibility: it is a moral blank check one gives to others in exchange for a moral blank check one expects for oneself.

There is no escape from the fact that men have to make choices; so long as men have to make choices, there is no escape from moral values; so long as moral values are at stake, no moral neutrality is possible. To abstain from condemning a torturer, is to become an accessory to the torture and murder of his victims.

The moral principle to adopt in this issue, is: “Judge, and be prepared to be judged.”

The opposite of moral neutrality is not a blind, arbitrary, self-righteous condemnation of any idea, action or person that does not fit one’s mood, one’s memorized slogans or one’s snap judgment of the moment. Indiscriminate tolerance and indiscriminate condemnation are not two opposites: they are two variants of the same evasion. To declare that “everybody is white” or “everybody is black” or “everybody is neither white nor black, but gray,” is not a moral judgment, but an escape from the responsibility of moral judgment.

To judge means: to evaluate a given concrete by reference to an abstract principle or standard. It is not an easy task; it is not a task that can be performed automatically by one’s feelings, “instincts” or hunches. It is a task that requires the most precise, the most exacting, the most ruthlessly objective and rational process of thought. It is fairly easy to grasp abstract moral principles; it can be very difficult to apply them to a given situation, particularly when it involves the moral character of another person. When one pronounces moral judgment, whether in praise or in blame, one must be prepared to answer “Why?” and to prove one’s case—to oneself and to any rational inquirer.
“How Does One Lead a Rational Life in an Irrational Society,”
The Virtue of Selfishness, 72

RAND


If ya ain't with us, yer agin us
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Nov 8, 2014 5:33 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
postneoludite: If ya ain't with us, yer agin us


A la GWB! roll eyes
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Nov 8, 2014 5:42 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
postneoludite
postneoluditepostneoluditeWest Vancouver, British Columbia Canada39 Threads 22 Polls 890 Posts
Before the rise of politicized Islam, it was the Jews that Christians didn't like. The existence of signs that said "Gentiles Only" seems to have gotten less press than signs that said 'Whites Only". Ironically, the result of politicized Christianity is that Jews and Christians are now united in their hatred of Muslims. This being despite the fact that they all pray to the same God and follow basically the same rules.
It's not the differences that we can't stand. It's the similarities. We cannot tolerate the thought of being anything like 'them'.
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Nov 8, 2014 5:48 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
postneoludite: Before the rise of politicized Islam, it was the Jews that Christians didn't like. The existence of signs that said "Gentiles Only" seems to have gotten less press than signs that said 'Whites Only". Ironically, the result of politicized Christianity is that Jews and Christians are now united in their hatred of Muslims. This being despite the fact that they all pray to the same God and follow basically the same rules.
It's not the differences that we can't stand. It's the similarities. We cannot tolerate the thought of being anything like 'them'.


The thing that annoys us most about somebody else,is really the thing that annoys us about ourselves.
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Nov 8, 2014 6:09 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
postneoludite: If ya ain't with us, yer agin us

there is bit of a difference between disagreeing,and bashing in someone's Skull!laugh
Und Willst Du Nicht Mein Bruder Sein,Dann Hau Ich Dir Den Schaedel Ein!
(If you don't want to be my Brother,I'll bash in your Skull. trans.)

Foreign Politics through the Ages.


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Nov 8, 2014 6:32 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
postneoludite
postneoluditepostneoluditeWest Vancouver, British Columbia Canada39 Threads 22 Polls 890 Posts
Conrad73: there is bit of a difference between disagreeing,and bashing in someone's Skull!
Und Willst Du Nicht Mein Bruder Sein,Dann Hau Ich Dir Den Schaedel Ein!
(If you don't want to be my Brother,I'll bash in your Skull. trans.)

Foreign Politics through the Ages.http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Crusades


There is, but not much. laugh

uncyclopedia. Cool!
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Nov 8, 2014 6:33 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
skippyguy: I do ! , well i think it's different for everyone, like i think i am more tolerant then some i know, but yes there is alot of width and breadth in this question

Okay, say you get to decide Skippy.

How would you go about ensuring your decision was fair, or tolerant?

How would you ensure that your decision was adhered to?
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Nov 8, 2014 6:36 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
to make a long story short!



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Nov 8, 2014 6:48 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Harryonline: One should not be dogmatic on any matters.

The discussion should continue.

As the OP, I have had the power bestowed upon me to end your contributions and continuance in this discussion.

My qualifications for this position of power are that I created this thread, it's all mine *ahem* it belongs to me *ahem* *ahem* and I can do as I please. *ahem*

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Nov 8, 2014 6:58 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
jac_the_gripper: As the OP, I have had the power bestowed upon me to end your contributions and continuance in this discussion.

My qualifications for this position of power are that I created this thread, it's all mine *ahem* it belongs to me *ahem* *ahem* and I can do as I please. *ahem*


And I have no doubt you will use that power wisely....


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Nov 8, 2014 8:25 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
What is the point of this topic? Just curious.
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Nov 8, 2014 11:13 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Conrad:
There is no escape from the fact that men have to make choices; so long as men have to make choices, there is no escape from moral values; so long as moral values are at stake, no moral neutrality is possible. To abstain from condemning a torturer, is to become an accessory to the torture and murder of his victims.

RAND

What about non-men's choices?

This is an interesting expression of 'moral neutrality'.

What is the author an accessory to by choosing to exclude more than half the world's population in the decision making process?
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Nov 8, 2014 11:23 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
sunnydaygal
sunnydaygalsunnydaygalbutte, Montana USA3 Threads 31 Posts
I am not sure tolerant is the word I would say that is so needed as much as understanding. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but, as often times seen here in the forum postings, someone who voices their own opinion is often attacked by others who can't seem to see outside their own point of view, henceforth, making them intolerant of the other person.
I think if folks stop to understand that everyone on the planet gets to have their own opinion, and though it may be different than our own, if their opinion does not affect our own personal life, than what is the harm of them having a different point of view?
I think this was a great topic to post and I hope folks continue to share a point of view on this subject and not turn it into a place that they just leave their smartassed comments on
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Nov 8, 2014 11:32 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Ccincy: What is the point of this topic? Just curious.

I created this thread to explore tolerance and intolerance.

What was the point of your question? dunno
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Nov 8, 2014 11:33 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
jac_the_gripper: ...Should we be tolerant, or intolerant of intolerance?
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Nov 8, 2014 11:37 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
jac_the_gripper: I created this thread to explore tolerance and intolerance.

What was the point of your question?





I was just curious is all.People usually have a reason to why they ask certain questions.
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Nov 8, 2014 11:58 AM CST Tolerance and Intolerance...
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Ccincy: I was just curious is all.People usually have a reason to why they ask certain questions.

Okay, the reason is to explore tolerance and intolerance and see where it takes us.

I've made a very interesting connection in my own thought processing from one comment in particular. I like that kind of personal development.

What others may, or may not get out of this thread will be personal to them, I imagine.
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