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Ocee102: I think it took more courage to stay, in that case.
She would have been exalted to folk hero status had she thrown a tantrum
and stormed off. She could have thrown Bill under the bus, and backed over
him while the world cheered for her.
She would have been exalted to folk hero status had she thrown a tantrum
and stormed off. She could have thrown Bill under the bus, and backed over
him while the world cheered for her.
Yes indeed Ocee. You are right the folk heroes and backers of popular culture. That is what makes me believe at least we are still generally under the decency of good culture and class as Hillary is. The world bowed to her including me, and this alone gives me the confidence that she has both brain and compassionate heart, a most dignified character of a person.
A most needed trait for a balance leadership, IMHO.
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Nidifugous: Strategically, it was much smarter to do what she did. Whether he had a thing with Lewinsky or not is not important in the grand scheme of things.
If she had kicked him to the curb, she would never have become a Senator and subsequently SofState.
Who screwed who is not important only in so far as it can be used against someone and to evoke a public response. I think Hillary is quite smart. I don't think she's honest, but honesty doesn't get you anything in politics. Just m.o.
If she had kicked him to the curb, she would never have become a Senator and subsequently SofState.
Who screwed who is not important only in so far as it can be used against someone and to evoke a public response. I think Hillary is quite smart. I don't think she's honest, but honesty doesn't get you anything in politics. Just m.o.
Then:
Does the end justify the means?
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lifeisadream: Then:
Does the end justify the means?
Does the end justify the means?
Of course it does. It propelled her to the most formidable position of winning the race. Which to your measure is a lacking of guts.
For your information, she can all to her own go on top of the scale with or without the scandal and perhaps can also win bigger had she acted as you expected, but she has class and perhaps love her husband so much.
I do not quite put that claim that she would have not been a senator or any position of her choice had she kicked her, rather it would have demonized her if in fact she loves her husband so much.
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lindsyjones: Of course it does. It propelled her to the most formidable position of winning the race. Which to your measure is a lacking of guts.
For your information, she can all to her own go on top of the scale with or without the scandal and perhaps can also win bigger had she acted as you expected, but she has class and perhaps love her husband so much.
I do not quite put that claim that she would have not been a senator or any position of her choice had she kicked her, rather it would have demonized her if in fact she loves her husband so much.
For your information, she can all to her own go on top of the scale with or without the scandal and perhaps can also win bigger had she acted as you expected, but she has class and perhaps love her husband so much.
I do not quite put that claim that she would have not been a senator or any position of her choice had she kicked her, rather it would have demonized her if in fact she loves her husband so much.
SHOULD HAVE BEEN "HAD SHE KICKED HIM"
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lindsyjones: Of course it does. It propelled her to the most formidable position of winning the race. Which to your measure is a lacking of guts.
For your information, she can all to her own go on top of the scale with or without the scandal and perhaps can also win bigger had she acted as you expected, but she has class and perhaps love her husband so much.
I do not quite put that claim that she would have not been a senator or any position of her choice had she kicked her, rather it would have demonized her if in fact she loves her husband so much
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For your information, she can all to her own go on top of the scale with or without the scandal and perhaps can also win bigger had she acted as you expected, but she has class and perhaps love her husband so much.
I do not quite put that claim that she would have not been a senator or any position of her choice had she kicked her, rather it would have demonized her if in fact she loves her husband so much
.In my work I do ask to my clients about their projects they want to implement and take risks in different arenas and I tell them: if you can not see 3 potential flaws, risks, dangers.. in your project you have not seen it all and you better back up and study it better.
Real life is not different.
Can you see any flaw in Hillary as for running as a candidate for president of USA?
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lifeisadream: In my work I do ask to my clients about their projects they want to implement and take risks in different arenas and I tell them: if you can not see 3 potential flaws, risks, dangers.. in your project you have not seen it all and you better back up and study it better.
Real life is not different.
Can you see any flaw in Hillary as for running as a candidate for president of USA?
Real life is not different.
Can you see any flaw in Hillary as for running as a candidate for president of USA?
It is very obvious the difference between you and I is that I focus on her talent, her strength, her intellect and her compassion which is the source of all the positive causes and effect she can contribute to the country, while you FOCUS ON HER FLAWS and her inability to run the country.
Let me ask you a question? Did you read the part, where I said that: "CONSIDERING THE ENORMOUS BLUNDERS AND INCOMPETENT" leadership exhibited by some MEN leadership, of which so many concur, including Happygolucky4you, WE MIGHT AS WELL PUT SOME WOMEN UP THERE, AND IT IT FAILS? SO WHAT, IT IS ALREADY NO BETTER THAN NOW ANYWAYS.
What you are doing is dissecting Hillary as though she is not competent at all and all you can present is because on how she forgave her husband? You might not be a forgiving person but that doesn't make you right while others opt to decide the way they seem fit for their interest.
So I stand strong on my proposal for her to run and if there is any woman running for the position other than her, I still would vote for her. For a change..
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lindsyjones: It is very obvious the difference between you and I is that I focus on her talent, her strength, her intellect and her compassion which is the source of all the positive causes and effect she can contribute to the country, while you FOCUS ON HER FLAWS and her inability to run the country.
Let me ask you a question? Did you read the part, where I said that: "CONSIDERING THE ENORMOUS BLUNDERS AND INCOMPETENT" leadership exhibited by some MEN leadership, of which so many concur, including Happygolucky4you, WE MIGHT AS WELL PUT SOME WOMEN UP THERE, AND IT IT FAILS? SO WHAT, IT IS ALREADY NO BETTER THAN NOW ANYWAYS.
What you are doing is dissecting Hillary as though she is not competent at all and all you can present is because on how she forgave her husband? You might not be a forgiving person but that doesn't make you right while others opt to decide the way they seem fit for their interest.
So I stand strong on my proposal for her to run and if there is any woman running for the position other than her, I still would vote for her. For a change..
She took the line of least resistance by not dumping B Clinton for political convenience , nothing more . The worst type of person that is needed as a leader .No wonder the whole western world is in trouble when leaders are picked with the understanding that the person will be no worse than the last . That is no way to pick a leader as invariably there will be a worse one picked . Fine indorse Clinton if you like because she is female , but don't pretend she's any good .Let me ask you a question? Did you read the part, where I said that: "CONSIDERING THE ENORMOUS BLUNDERS AND INCOMPETENT" leadership exhibited by some MEN leadership, of which so many concur, including Happygolucky4you, WE MIGHT AS WELL PUT SOME WOMEN UP THERE, AND IT IT FAILS? SO WHAT, IT IS ALREADY NO BETTER THAN NOW ANYWAYS.
What you are doing is dissecting Hillary as though she is not competent at all and all you can present is because on how she forgave her husband? You might not be a forgiving person but that doesn't make you right while others opt to decide the way they seem fit for their interest.
So I stand strong on my proposal for her to run and if there is any woman running for the position other than her, I still would vote for her. For a change..
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lindsyjones: Wow life, you are getting too personal which is exactly in violation of the rules?
My personal upbringing and or dispositions are not in questions here. But for purposes of simply answering your question: I have been married twice, one for one year due to drunkeness and 28 years, ended only after losing all our assets in the economic meltdown.
On your second question of as to the level of my political involvement? I a retired University Professor. And some of my degrees are credited from my special classes from England. While I am not a high profile professor at the level of Harvard and or Oxford, doesn't make me any more or less from my conviction which I intend to stay true, no matter your comments.
Now she is not to your liking fine with me. You are respected on your position but justifying it because of her forgiving her husband? You are lame.
My personal upbringing and or dispositions are not in questions here. But for purposes of simply answering your question: I have been married twice, one for one year due to drunkeness and 28 years, ended only after losing all our assets in the economic meltdown.
On your second question of as to the level of my political involvement? I a retired University Professor. And some of my degrees are credited from my special classes from England. While I am not a high profile professor at the level of Harvard and or Oxford, doesn't make me any more or less from my conviction which I intend to stay true, no matter your comments.
Now she is not to your liking fine with me. You are respected on your position but justifying it because of her forgiving her husband? You are lame.
Sorry for the typo.
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epirb: She took the line of least resistance by not dumping B Clinton for political convenience , nothing more . The worst type of person that is needed as a leader .No wonder the whole western world is in trouble when leaders are picked with the understanding that the person will be no worse than the last . That is no way to pick a leader as invariably there will be a worse one picked . Fine indorse Clinton if you like because she is female , but don't pretend she's any good .
That is your opinion Epirb, and I stand on mine that she is competent and in fact more competent than any that I know of, except perhaps for Condoleesa Rice. Her exposure and knowledge of the political position is way up there, but perhaps she doesn't want to sell her soul?
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lindsyjones: Wow life, you are getting too personal which is exactly in violation of the rules?
My personal upbringing and or dispositions are not in questions here. But for purposes of simply answering your question: I have been married twice, one for one year due to drunkeness and 28 years, ended only after losing all our assets in the economic meltdown.
On your second question of as to the level of my political involvement? I a retired University Professor. And some of my degrees are credited from my special classes from England. While I am not a high profile professor at the level of Harvard and or Oxford, doesn't make me any more or less from my conviction which I intend to stay true, no matter your comments.
Now she is not to your liking fine with me. You are respected on your position but justifying it because of her forgiving her husband? You are lame.
My personal upbringing and or dispositions are not in questions here. But for purposes of simply answering your question: I have been married twice, one for one year due to drunkeness and 28 years, ended only after losing all our assets in the economic meltdown.
On your second question of as to the level of my political involvement? I a retired University Professor. And some of my degrees are credited from my special classes from England. While I am not a high profile professor at the level of Harvard and or Oxford, doesn't make me any more or less from my conviction which I intend to stay true, no matter your comments.
Now she is not to your liking fine with me. You are respected on your position but justifying it because of her forgiving her husband? You are lame.
And voting for someone “just because” she is a woman is???
Is that brilliant?
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lindsyjones: That is your opinion Epirb, and I stand on mine that she is competent and in fact more competent than any that I know of, except perhaps for Condoleesa Rice. Her exposure and knowledge of the political position is way up there, but perhaps she doesn't want to sell her soul?
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lifeisadream: And voting for someone “just because” she is a woman is???
Is that brilliant?
Is that brilliant?
First if you accept that there is no difference with the failure of these past ones, yes.
And yes, although there is hardly any doubt that all the women candidates are not decorated with their political achievement.
Still no matter, as a woman? YES.
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epirb: Rice would be better , been talked about to .
I have always dreamed of her running after the direction she catapulted the Bush administration and as a very respected professor at Yale. But she chose the more placid road to life, away from the hurly burly of dirty politics.
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lindsyjones: I have always dreamed of her running after the direction she catapulted the Bush administration and as a very respected professor at Yale. But she chose the more placid road to life, away from the hurly burly of dirty politics.
Maybe Sarah Palin? After All she can see Russia from Alaska and she's a football mum. She's pretty too
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mrweb: Maybe Sarah Palin? After All she can see Russia from Alaska and she's a football mum. She's pretty too
Mr. Web, thanks for joining in. But per the previous pages, hundreds of pundits are already against her and including me. But yes indeed, if she were the last standing woman running, I would..
Thanks..
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That's a cool reply Lindsyjones but I'll quote you:
"But yes indeed, if she were the last standing woman running, I would."
I like your passion but what is it about you that would vote 'only' for a woman' regardless of how inept or worthy she is regardless of policy?
Like I said, great passion and great conviction but I don't neccessarily agree with your sentiments.
You're still cool but we agree to disagree
"But yes indeed, if she were the last standing woman running, I would."
I like your passion but what is it about you that would vote 'only' for a woman' regardless of how inept or worthy she is regardless of policy?
Like I said, great passion and great conviction but I don't neccessarily agree with your sentiments.
You're still cool but we agree to disagree
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mrweb: That's a cool reply Lindsyjones but I'll quote you:
"But yes indeed, if she were the last standing woman running, I would."
I like your passion but what is it about you that would vote 'only' for a woman' regardless of how inept or worthy she is regardless of policy?
Like I said, great passion and great conviction but I don't necessarily agree with your sentiments.
You're still cool but we agree to disagree
"But yes indeed, if she were the last standing woman running, I would."
I like your passion but what is it about you that would vote 'only' for a woman' regardless of how inept or worthy she is regardless of policy?
Like I said, great passion and great conviction but I don't necessarily agree with your sentiments.
You're still cool but we agree to disagree
Of course Mr. WEb and that is how we can carry on a very sensitive yet crucial discussions for purposes of clarification in the hope that we can convince and or persuade others to our ideas. Or not and still it is a very healthy exercise for the brin if anything else. Thanks.
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Hmmm, you didn't answer the question LJ, what is it about YOU that would "only" vote for a woman?
Bare in mind that we (NZ) refused nuclear war ships from your neck of the woods since the 80's, google is your friend.
What do you think of peace by the way.....just asking, nothing more, nothing less?
Bare in mind that we (NZ) refused nuclear war ships from your neck of the woods since the 80's, google is your friend.
What do you think of peace by the way.....just asking, nothing more, nothing less?
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mrweb: Hmmm, you didn't answer the question LJ, what is it about YOU that would "only" vote for a woman?
Bare in mind that we (NZ) refused nuclear war ships from your neck of the woods since the 80's, google is your friend.
What do you think of peace by the way.....just asking, nothing more, nothing less?
Bare in mind that we (NZ) refused nuclear war ships from your neck of the woods since the 80's, google is your friend.
What do you think of peace by the way.....just asking, nothing more, nothing less?
Mr. Web, the answer is to try for a change we badly need. We have records of proven strength and passion of women in the past. Have you gone to the origin of the thread?
I am a very passionate person, at the same time I think I possess kindness and generosity. While the use of logic is far more important than any of these virtues, I do couple it with the good and positive sentiments most transparent in a woman.
Now PEACE? This is my hope that collective effort of the world including you and me will adhere to one principle and that is the preservation of world peace.
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I think it took more courage to stay, in that case.
She would have been exalted to folk hero status had she thrown a tantrum
and stormed off. She could have thrown Bill under the bus, and backed over
him while the world cheered for her.