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lindsyjones: That is your opinion Epirb, and I stand on mine that she is competent and in fact more competent than any that I know of, except perhaps for Condoleesa Rice. Her exposure and knowledge of the political position is way up there, but perhaps she doesn't want to sell her soul?
If Clinton is competent as Secretary of State. Answer me this.
Why did President Obama lead the trade negotiation in India? Why VP Biden leading the talks with the Chinese? These were both major trade negotiations and Hillary was not even present at them. The Obama administration largely used Hillary Clinton for negotiation with smaller nation states.
This after the reset button she pressed with Russia began to unravel. After Syria totally unraveled. While I don't think that Sect of State can have much impact on such conflicts in foreign countries. It was her lack of foresight that placed Ambassador Stevens into Benghazi with a two man security details. As in comparison to the 2000 she uses for securing the Green zone in Baghdad.
I think that the Obama administration was happy she took an early out. Now they stab her in the back with media leaks on the email scandal and the news of her household server. It is not the REP or journalist that are getting these stories. But the leaked stories seem to be coming from Jarret, a close associate of the Obama administration.
Personally I think that is to position Biden for a Presidential run in 2016. But back to Hillary Clinton for a time. Yes she had long history in American politics. She is also going to be 69 years old in 2016. Meaning....if elected...likely she is only going to be one term President. But I don't see much in her recent role as Secretary of State, that says she is Presidential material. So give me some examples of her competency and her ability to be Commander in Chief.
As for selling her soul.....her foundation has taken larges sums from many foreign parties and governments. What $400,000 from a Persian Gulf country? Quatar I think it was. Can you give use some examples of how the funds were used by her foundation?
I am a conservative independent. So am trying to have a open mind to all the candidates at this point.
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Leadership Qualities:
VISION - As a young woman at Wellesley College and later at Yale, Hillary Clinton was always running for positions in leadership or getting involved in political clubs. Ironically, she started college as an active Republican and campaigned for Barry Goldwater in 1964. Her switch in party affiliation came in 1968 when her class was taken to attend a sermon by Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. a resonating and revolutionary Democrat. She was introduced to King after the sermon, later reflecting that her encounter with him became a defining moment of party conversion for her. After his assassination of 1968 took a toll on her she made the full switch to a Democrat. By this time she was a senior at Wellesley College with a “new” political vision. She was elected class president and was able to communicate her liberal platform of women’s issues and racial equality to her peers. Hillary’s new vision remained a Democratic vision.
Her Democratic status resonated during her serve as First Lady. She shared her vision for the concern of social issues by supporting the Children’s Health Insurance Program as well as women’s rights through the means of The Department of Justice’s Office on Violence Against Women. She gave a women’s rights speech March 4th, 1999 which displayed her true stance on women liberal issues. Hillary talks about the issues women faced in the United States as well as other countries and about how she as first lady had seen so many upsetting situations. In this speech, she voices her desire to change these situations and the vision she has of a world where women are equally respected among men. Through her self reflection and an unexpected Democratic influence, Hillary formed a powerful and unwavering visionwhich has been carrying through her political journey ever since.
POLITICAL SKILL – Within the 21st century, Hillary Clinton has been on a rise on the political spectrum. She has come a long way from being a college student with a mere vision. Now she holds experience, power, and a purpose for what she stands for and has demonstrated an upward mobility in political skill. In recent years she has had to overcome obstacles within her political career which in turn has enhanced and strengthened her skills in politics. Being a respected woman in politics has not been an easy feat but Hillary has learned the tricks and turns around her gender prejudices. Within the last five years Hillary has had to learn to overcome political obstacles, such as media scrutiny, to redefine her skill set. During the 2008 presidential campaign she lead a competitive campaign all the way to the end. She learned how to react to harsh media and political criticism from the public for being a woman running for president. Although she took a campaign approach that displayed too strong of an image and ended up failing to claim the Democratic nomination, she accepted and evolved her skills as a result. By the end of her race in 2008, Hillary delivered a moving and heartfelt speech in Portsmouth, demonstrating the growth she achieved from beginning to end of her campaign. This speech became a defining moment for her as she showed a “change in voice” – a more charismatic leader. Her campaign showed great adaption in the way that she changed her image in order to appeal to the public, even though it proved to be too late. This presidential running was an example of how Hillary showed mastery of political skill.
VISION - As a young woman at Wellesley College and later at Yale, Hillary Clinton was always running for positions in leadership or getting involved in political clubs. Ironically, she started college as an active Republican and campaigned for Barry Goldwater in 1964. Her switch in party affiliation came in 1968 when her class was taken to attend a sermon by Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. a resonating and revolutionary Democrat. She was introduced to King after the sermon, later reflecting that her encounter with him became a defining moment of party conversion for her. After his assassination of 1968 took a toll on her she made the full switch to a Democrat. By this time she was a senior at Wellesley College with a “new” political vision. She was elected class president and was able to communicate her liberal platform of women’s issues and racial equality to her peers. Hillary’s new vision remained a Democratic vision.
Her Democratic status resonated during her serve as First Lady. She shared her vision for the concern of social issues by supporting the Children’s Health Insurance Program as well as women’s rights through the means of The Department of Justice’s Office on Violence Against Women. She gave a women’s rights speech March 4th, 1999 which displayed her true stance on women liberal issues. Hillary talks about the issues women faced in the United States as well as other countries and about how she as first lady had seen so many upsetting situations. In this speech, she voices her desire to change these situations and the vision she has of a world where women are equally respected among men. Through her self reflection and an unexpected Democratic influence, Hillary formed a powerful and unwavering visionwhich has been carrying through her political journey ever since.
POLITICAL SKILL – Within the 21st century, Hillary Clinton has been on a rise on the political spectrum. She has come a long way from being a college student with a mere vision. Now she holds experience, power, and a purpose for what she stands for and has demonstrated an upward mobility in political skill. In recent years she has had to overcome obstacles within her political career which in turn has enhanced and strengthened her skills in politics. Being a respected woman in politics has not been an easy feat but Hillary has learned the tricks and turns around her gender prejudices. Within the last five years Hillary has had to learn to overcome political obstacles, such as media scrutiny, to redefine her skill set. During the 2008 presidential campaign she lead a competitive campaign all the way to the end. She learned how to react to harsh media and political criticism from the public for being a woman running for president. Although she took a campaign approach that displayed too strong of an image and ended up failing to claim the Democratic nomination, she accepted and evolved her skills as a result. By the end of her race in 2008, Hillary delivered a moving and heartfelt speech in Portsmouth, demonstrating the growth she achieved from beginning to end of her campaign. This speech became a defining moment for her as she showed a “change in voice” – a more charismatic leader. Her campaign showed great adaption in the way that she changed her image in order to appeal to the public, even though it proved to be too late. This presidential running was an example of how Hillary showed mastery of political skill.
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Perhaps a few corrections are needed to the recently posted materiala here.
First Mubark. Mubarak stepped down after a phone call with President Obama...in which Muback asked for another 3 days to subdue the street protest. President Obama refused to give him the 3 days. Basically President Obama said this is something for the Egyptian people to decide.. It was not a conference call with Hillary. But one on one between two leader of their respective countries.
Hillary role in the Arab Spring protest...should have been to advise the Presidency that this crisis in a number of foreign states was about to occur. So....so that 495,000 American foreign visitors could get out of harms way in Egypt. Yet.....no travel advisory was made from the State Department until the street protest were well underway in Cairo and other major cities. Remember the long lines of American standing at the Cairo airport? That is how flatfooted the Obama administration was on the Arab Spring. Hillary's State Department failed to provide him or the traveling Americans adequate warnings.
For a moment ask yourself...how does one keep coming street protest that involved millions from the knowledge of the US Embassy Staff in Cairo? The only way that can occur...is the US Embassy staff was totally out of touch with the Cairo street. Let me restate that it was Hillary's US Embassy staff was totally out of touch with the Cairo street.
First Mubark. Mubarak stepped down after a phone call with President Obama...in which Muback asked for another 3 days to subdue the street protest. President Obama refused to give him the 3 days. Basically President Obama said this is something for the Egyptian people to decide.. It was not a conference call with Hillary. But one on one between two leader of their respective countries.
Hillary role in the Arab Spring protest...should have been to advise the Presidency that this crisis in a number of foreign states was about to occur. So....so that 495,000 American foreign visitors could get out of harms way in Egypt. Yet.....no travel advisory was made from the State Department until the street protest were well underway in Cairo and other major cities. Remember the long lines of American standing at the Cairo airport? That is how flatfooted the Obama administration was on the Arab Spring. Hillary's State Department failed to provide him or the traveling Americans adequate warnings.
For a moment ask yourself...how does one keep coming street protest that involved millions from the knowledge of the US Embassy Staff in Cairo? The only way that can occur...is the US Embassy staff was totally out of touch with the Cairo street. Let me restate that it was Hillary's US Embassy staff was totally out of touch with the Cairo street.
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Lindys...you are stating a googled bio on Hillary Clinton. All fine and good. But let us dig into Hillary a little more and ask the tough questions.
Questions she seems very good at avoiding.
If elected, how good of a Commander in Chief do you think Hillary Clinton would make? I can tell you right now....that most in the military do no respect her. Why? Benghazi. Is the short answer.
They wanted to go....to Benghazi and get our people out. Someone....still to be identified kept them from getting the orders to do so. Hillary says in sworn Congressional testimony "What does it matter?".
It matters to those men and their families that died at Benghazi and it matters to the men that wanted to go to rescue them. Yet Hillary has kept the entire issue from being clarified to the country. It matters because one of her Ambassadors was killed. Steven was her man in Libya. Her appointed man in the country.
Yet she is the one that says "What does it matter?"
30,000 of her 60,000 email were deleted from the server. That is lot of personal email. I figured it out....that is 18 personal email every day she was in office of Secretary of States. I do lot of emails....but not 18 personal email daily. Do you? Yet Hillary Clinton....with a buzy schedule of visiting 116 different countries....meeting with 100s of foreign leaders.....would get out 18 personal email daily?
I think most will see where this goes. That those emails were deleted because of their content.....regarding issues like Benghazi. Not because they were personal emails.
The Commander in Chief of the force of the United States.....needs to have a record that is beyond reproach or question. George Washington set the standard here. For those in the military...Hillary Clinton has a lot to questions to answer. Until she clears that up....her qualifications for being Commander in Chief.....are in question.
Questions she seems very good at avoiding.
If elected, how good of a Commander in Chief do you think Hillary Clinton would make? I can tell you right now....that most in the military do no respect her. Why? Benghazi. Is the short answer.
They wanted to go....to Benghazi and get our people out. Someone....still to be identified kept them from getting the orders to do so. Hillary says in sworn Congressional testimony "What does it matter?".
It matters to those men and their families that died at Benghazi and it matters to the men that wanted to go to rescue them. Yet Hillary has kept the entire issue from being clarified to the country. It matters because one of her Ambassadors was killed. Steven was her man in Libya. Her appointed man in the country.
Yet she is the one that says "What does it matter?"
30,000 of her 60,000 email were deleted from the server. That is lot of personal email. I figured it out....that is 18 personal email every day she was in office of Secretary of States. I do lot of emails....but not 18 personal email daily. Do you? Yet Hillary Clinton....with a buzy schedule of visiting 116 different countries....meeting with 100s of foreign leaders.....would get out 18 personal email daily?
I think most will see where this goes. That those emails were deleted because of their content.....regarding issues like Benghazi. Not because they were personal emails.
The Commander in Chief of the force of the United States.....needs to have a record that is beyond reproach or question. George Washington set the standard here. For those in the military...Hillary Clinton has a lot to questions to answer. Until she clears that up....her qualifications for being Commander in Chief.....are in question.
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TTom50: Lindys...you are stating a googled bio on Hillary Clinton. All fine and good. But let us dig into Hillary a little more and ask the tough questions.
Questions she seems very good at avoiding.
If elected, how good of a Commander in Chief do you think Hillary Clinton would make? I can tell you right now....that most in the military do no respect her. Why? Benghazi. Is the short answer.
They wanted to go....to Benghazi and get our people out. Someone....still to be identified kept them from getting the orders to do so. Hillary says in sworn Congressional testimony "What does it matter?".
It matters to those men and their families that died at Benghazi and it matters to the men that wanted to go to rescue them. Yet Hillary has kept the entire issue from being clarified to the country. It matters because one of her Ambassadors was killed. Steven was her man in Libya. Her appointed man in the country.
Yet she is the one that says "What does it matter?"
30,000 of her 60,000 email were deleted from the server. That is lot of personal email. I figured it out....that is 18 personal email every day she was in office of Secretary of States. I do lot of emails....but not 18 personal email daily. Do you? Yet Hillary Clinton....with a buzy schedule of visiting 116 different countries....meeting with 100s of foreign leaders.....would get out 18 personal email daily?
I think most will see where this goes. That those emails were deleted because of their content.....regarding issues like Benghazi. Not because they were personal emails.
The Commander in Chief of the force of the United States.....needs to have a record that is beyond reproach or question. George Washington set the standard here. For those in the military...Hillary Clinton has a lot to questions to answer. Until she clears that up....her qualifications for being Commander in Chief.....are in question.
Questions she seems very good at avoiding.
If elected, how good of a Commander in Chief do you think Hillary Clinton would make? I can tell you right now....that most in the military do no respect her. Why? Benghazi. Is the short answer.
They wanted to go....to Benghazi and get our people out. Someone....still to be identified kept them from getting the orders to do so. Hillary says in sworn Congressional testimony "What does it matter?".
It matters to those men and their families that died at Benghazi and it matters to the men that wanted to go to rescue them. Yet Hillary has kept the entire issue from being clarified to the country. It matters because one of her Ambassadors was killed. Steven was her man in Libya. Her appointed man in the country.
Yet she is the one that says "What does it matter?"
30,000 of her 60,000 email were deleted from the server. That is lot of personal email. I figured it out....that is 18 personal email every day she was in office of Secretary of States. I do lot of emails....but not 18 personal email daily. Do you? Yet Hillary Clinton....with a buzy schedule of visiting 116 different countries....meeting with 100s of foreign leaders.....would get out 18 personal email daily?
I think most will see where this goes. That those emails were deleted because of their content.....regarding issues like Benghazi. Not because they were personal emails.
The Commander in Chief of the force of the United States.....needs to have a record that is beyond reproach or question. George Washington set the standard here. For those in the military...Hillary Clinton has a lot to questions to answer. Until she clears that up....her qualifications for being Commander in Chief.....are in question.
You'd be surprised at what her pundits can throw in. No one is perfect, as smart as you are we both know what are the plus and minus asset or defect of anyone.
In all her flaws I stand behind her.
On the earlier part there's a mention of Rice, who to me is quite good but given her compassion coupled with her leadership ability, she's the best I can think of.
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If we can believe Hillary Clinton sworn Congressional testimony. When Benghazi was occurring......she was on a small south sea Island....attending a festival and dancing with the locals.
Now Madileine Albright...another sect of state....did not seem to attend many of these kinds of functions. Nor did Condelezza Rice. Powell, Baker, Schultz, Kissinger, or today's John Kerry have much time for such festivities. But on the night of the Benghazi attack, someone in her office has found a little known island festival and arranged for Hillary Clinton to attend.
In other words, they had taken her out of Washington...to put her on a island while one of her Ambassador was being attacked and killed. Had they solid intelligence on the coming attack.....do you think Hillary Clinton would be dancing at a island festival? No. So clearly again they had no intelligence to the coming threats to Ambassador Stevens.
Who had requested multiple time in the recent past for additional security. So he knew the situation.
So I suggest that Hillary Clinton on the night of Benghazi was out of the command loop of the State Department. She could not make a decision to send in the rescue unit or not. She was busy dancing the night away. That is not being competent.
So it looks like you answered your question very much in her favor.
She was always under some orders, you know that, I know that. Had she been put to some pow wow so this conniving no good president can carry his own agenda of selling us out to the enemy, you should account them for this specific failure.
I will get back.
Now Madileine Albright...another sect of state....did not seem to attend many of these kinds of functions. Nor did Condelezza Rice. Powell, Baker, Schultz, Kissinger, or today's John Kerry have much time for such festivities. But on the night of the Benghazi attack, someone in her office has found a little known island festival and arranged for Hillary Clinton to attend.
In other words, they had taken her out of Washington...to put her on a island while one of her Ambassador was being attacked and killed. Had they solid intelligence on the coming attack.....do you think Hillary Clinton would be dancing at a island festival? No. So clearly again they had no intelligence to the coming threats to Ambassador Stevens.
Who had requested multiple time in the recent past for additional security. So he knew the situation.
So I suggest that Hillary Clinton on the night of Benghazi was out of the command loop of the State Department. She could not make a decision to send in the rescue unit or not. She was busy dancing the night away. That is not being competent.
So it looks like you answered your question very much in her favor.
She was always under some orders, you know that, I know that. Had she been put to some pow wow so this conniving no good president can carry his own agenda of selling us out to the enemy, you should account them for this specific failure.
I will get back.
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lindsyjones: If we can believe Hillary Clinton sworn Congressional testimony. When Benghazi was occurring......she was on a small south sea Island....attending a festival and dancing with the locals.
Now Madileine Albright...another sect of state....did not seem to attend many of these kinds of functions. Nor did Condelezza Rice. Powell, Baker, Schultz, Kissinger, or today's John Kerry have much time for such festivities. But on the night of the Benghazi attack, someone in her office has found a little known island festival and arranged for Hillary Clinton to attend.
In other words, they had taken her out of Washington...to put her on a island while one of her Ambassador was being attacked and killed. Had they solid intelligence on the coming attack.....do you think Hillary Clinton would be dancing at a island festival? No. So clearly again they had no intelligence to the coming threats to Ambassador Stevens.
Who had requested multiple time in the recent past for additional security. So he knew the situation.
So I suggest that Hillary Clinton on the night of Benghazi was out of the command loop of the State Department. She could not make a decision to send in the rescue unit or not. She was busy dancing the night away. That is not being competent.
So it looks like you answered your question very much in her favor.
She was always under some orders, you know that, I know that. Had she been put to some pow wow so this conniving no good president can carry his own agenda of selling us out to the enemy, you should account them for this specific failure.
I will get back.
Now Madileine Albright...another sect of state....did not seem to attend many of these kinds of functions. Nor did Condelezza Rice. Powell, Baker, Schultz, Kissinger, or today's John Kerry have much time for such festivities. But on the night of the Benghazi attack, someone in her office has found a little known island festival and arranged for Hillary Clinton to attend.
In other words, they had taken her out of Washington...to put her on a island while one of her Ambassador was being attacked and killed. Had they solid intelligence on the coming attack.....do you think Hillary Clinton would be dancing at a island festival? No. So clearly again they had no intelligence to the coming threats to Ambassador Stevens.
Who had requested multiple time in the recent past for additional security. So he knew the situation.
So I suggest that Hillary Clinton on the night of Benghazi was out of the command loop of the State Department. She could not make a decision to send in the rescue unit or not. She was busy dancing the night away. That is not being competent.
So it looks like you answered your question very much in her favor.
She was always under some orders, you know that, I know that. Had she been put to some pow wow so this conniving no good president can carry his own agenda of selling us out to the enemy, you should account them for this specific failure.
I will get back.
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yom, I am sure you're now convinced about our reasons why we love a woman.
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lindsyjones: Tom, I am sure you're now convinced about our reasons why we love a woman.
I can upload more of the reason why Hillary is a good choice but like I said there will always be pundits as well as supporters, whoever would stand among the crowds, there will always be those that are never happy.
I believe this will conclude our discussion why we should have a woman leader.
Thanks all for your participation.
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lindsyjones: If we can believe Hillary Clinton sworn Congressional testimony. When Benghazi was occurring......she was on a small south sea Island....attending a festival and dancing with the locals.
Now Madileine Albright...another sect of state....did not seem to attend many of these kinds of functions. Nor did Condelezza Rice. Powell, Baker, Schultz, Kissinger, or today's John Kerry have much time for such festivities. But on the night of the Benghazi attack, someone in her office has found a little known island festival and arranged for Hillary Clinton to attend.
In other words, they had taken her out of Washington...to put her on a island while one of her Ambassador was being attacked and killed. Had they solid intelligence on the coming attack.....do you think Hillary Clinton would be dancing at a island festival? No. So clearly again they had no intelligence to the coming threats to Ambassador Stevens.
Who had requested multiple time in the recent past for additional security. So he knew the situation.
So I suggest that Hillary Clinton on the night of Benghazi was out of the command loop of the State Department. She could not make a decision to send in the rescue unit or not. She was busy dancing the night away. That is not being competent.
So it looks like you answered your question very much in her favor.
She was always under some orders, you know that, I know that. Had she been put to some pow wow so this conniving no good president can carry his own agenda of selling us out to the enemy, you should account them for this specific failure.
I will get back.
incommunicado , like hell , more likely stoned . If you want to indorse Clinton , fine , don't bother pretending otherwise . You're among friends .Now Madileine Albright...another sect of state....did not seem to attend many of these kinds of functions. Nor did Condelezza Rice. Powell, Baker, Schultz, Kissinger, or today's John Kerry have much time for such festivities. But on the night of the Benghazi attack, someone in her office has found a little known island festival and arranged for Hillary Clinton to attend.
In other words, they had taken her out of Washington...to put her on a island while one of her Ambassador was being attacked and killed. Had they solid intelligence on the coming attack.....do you think Hillary Clinton would be dancing at a island festival? No. So clearly again they had no intelligence to the coming threats to Ambassador Stevens.
Who had requested multiple time in the recent past for additional security. So he knew the situation.
So I suggest that Hillary Clinton on the night of Benghazi was out of the command loop of the State Department. She could not make a decision to send in the rescue unit or not. She was busy dancing the night away. That is not being competent.
So it looks like you answered your question very much in her favor.
She was always under some orders, you know that, I know that. Had she been put to some pow wow so this conniving no good president can carry his own agenda of selling us out to the enemy, you should account them for this specific failure.
I will get back.
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epirb: incommunicado , like hell , more likely stoned . If you want to indorse Clinton , fine , don't bother pretending otherwise . You're among friends .
Epirb, I can't laugh at you enough and it's not sarcasm. Pretense is one quality I have no use if. Hit me with any reason other than semantics and I'll offer you my whole heart and soul to be shredded but until then your claims are hollow.
My respects.
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Should have been "of" instead of "if".
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lindsyjones: Epirb, I can't laugh at you enough and it's not sarcasm. Pretense is one quality I have no use if. Hit me with any reason other than semantics and I'll offer you my whole heart and soul to be shredded but until then your claims are hollow.
My respects.
that's right , My respects.
the Clintons don't inhale ,my mistake . 
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But this isn't about mistakes, as much as who can withstand the test of global heat relative to terrorism, economic flow and military strength without overlooking the immediate needs of the constituents.
Heck Hillary is the first ever to build women's legacy of standing equal to men.
That alone creates monumental credit useful for the true and effective rise to equality.
Heck Hillary is the first ever to build women's legacy of standing equal to men.
That alone creates monumental credit useful for the true and effective rise to equality.
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Kaybee50: bump
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lind
Hey how are you?...well...not every one is a Hillary supporter...but that what makes us determined to vote...who will get elected?...
Hey how are you?...well...not every one is a Hillary supporter...but that what makes us determined to vote...who will get elected?...
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Canada did briefly have a woman PM in the 90s and she done just fine. Was a hell of a lot better than our current PM.
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lind
Canadian politics is as dull as dust...we has a Prime Minister who was a female but interim...Kim Campbell...I don't vote Conservative...but who knows...the closest female person thought to be a candidate was Sheila Copps...much to young at the time to vote but she was a good option...
Canadian politics is as dull as dust...we has a Prime Minister who was a female but interim...Kim Campbell...I don't vote Conservative...but who knows...the closest female person thought to be a candidate was Sheila Copps...much to young at the time to vote but she was a good option...
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Thanks for the cup of coffee Life. Yes of course, on the job for those who control the trigger. Yay yay yay. It would be a disaster. But let us tell everyone then to be careful on the spelling?
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