China Building Island in Disputed Waters (161)
robplum: All the South China Sea is not and has never been part of China, is gross dishonesty to claim it is or has bee, Likewise Tibet had never ever been part of China, and before the clowns jump in, yes China invaded Tibet a few times but eventually withdrew its invading forces.
Actually China built the great wall of china to keep the Tibetans out of china and the wall therefore draw a line displaying the extent of its western boarders.
South China Sea is not part of china as the dishonest lying communist scumbags now attempt to claim. China had armed forces erect a marker off Brunei proclaiming the extent of its territory, as the crow flies the marker is approximately 1,853 miles north of Darwin Australia.
China is cruising for a bruising, events that will without doubt in my mind spill lots of blood not only in Pacific, Indian Ocean all of Asia but also all the way into Europe
Actually China built the great wall of china to keep the Tibetans out of china and the wall therefore draw a line displaying the extent of its western boarders.
South China Sea is not part of china as the dishonest lying communist scumbags now attempt to claim. China had armed forces erect a marker off Brunei proclaiming the extent of its territory, as the crow flies the marker is approximately 1,853 miles north of Darwin Australia.
China is cruising for a bruising, events that will without doubt in my mind spill lots of blood not only in Pacific, Indian Ocean all of Asia but also all the way into Europe
roblum,,
This is with regards to geographical situation, but it seems there we're treaties that we're signed but so many conformities we're lacking/missing, thus seeking the authenticity of such treaty now and the importance of such claims in moneatary value,,
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Lolette: riz, this will be a hard battle, i mean not in arms for the moment, but in diplomacy, for the side of the Philippines, we can trace the presence of chinese long time before the spaniards arrived, there's are big names now controlling the economy if not the market in the Phils, and to note that the ancestors of the clan of Conjuanco, a great grands of the present President is still alive and in China,,
as much as i can follow, i think there were errors from the part of the FILIPINO government at the moment of the signing of this particular treaty, thus of which gave China the ligitimacy to claim such territorial supremacy, action of course questioned by the counties involved,,
as much as i can follow, i think there were errors from the part of the FILIPINO government at the moment of the signing of this particular treaty, thus of which gave China the ligitimacy to claim such territorial supremacy, action of course questioned by the counties involved,,
same could be said about the previous Thai government under Yingluck Shinawatra, her family tree runs with mostly Chinese blood, long line of successful immigrants from China
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Lolette: DertyHarry ,, Japan starts pulling out it's factories in China because of this issue, bringing some to the Phils. There was a time when Phils. was under the umbrella of UNCLE SAM, but the patriotes in the country had prompted the abandon of the Phils, as a strategic military base for the USA,, now it seems USA is hesitant to give assistance to the Phils, and taking into considerations too , it's diplomatic ties with Japan, Vietnam, is not so well carried on,,, well,, war is money ,, but there's always a great loss than wins in a war ,, let's not hope for that ,, there's North Korea, which doesn't regret anything but it's power ,,
The US of A has signed a treaty with Philippines which denotes that each will give support if attacked by a trird party, so they have to suport phils, however MacArther also signed a similar treaty with Japan, which could cause a conflict of interests.
Most of the cockups in Asia are due to MacArthers limited knowledge and inability to make good judgements. he has an awful lot to answer for IMO
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as far as i can tell Douglas MacArthur was coward who deserted his troops and fled to Australia
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rizlared: The US of A has signed a treaty with Philippines which denotes that each will give support if attacked by a trird party, so they have to suport phils, however MacArther also signed a similar treaty with Japan, which could cause a conflict of interests.
Most of the cockups in Asia are due to MacArthers limited knowledge and inability to make good judgements. he has an awful lot to answer for IMO
Most of the cockups in Asia are due to MacArthers limited knowledge and inability to make good judgements. he has an awful lot to answer for IMO
riz, i believe that, at that time, things we're not so complicated as of now, and besides the purpose of Mc Arthur is to liberate the Phils; from the hands of the Japansese, and China was fully asleep ar this period, not that it is awakened in complicates the issue of the shoal,,,
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robplum: as far as i can tell Douglas MacArthur was coward who deserted his troops and fled to Australia
Mc Arthur, after the defeat of the Japanese, was granted several concessions and parts of the GOLD MINES in Benguet ,, northern Phils,, i can relate that with the book,,, THE MARCOS DYNASTY ,,as it traced the origin of the family of the dictator, and that the US has, at the start supported the MARCOS regime ,,,
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I think Philippine political system has always been a basket case, corruption, probably still is
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Lolette: Mc Arthur, after the defeat of the Japanese, was granted several concessions and parts of the GOLD MINES in Benguet ,, northern Phils,, i can relate that with the book,,, THE MARCOS DYNASTY ,,as it traced the origin of the family of the dictator, and that the US has, at the start supported the MARCOS regime ,,,
and the involvement of American business, organized crime, the CIA, the Pentagon, and the White House ,,,
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Lolette: and the involvement of American business, organized crime, the CIA, the Pentagon, and the White House ,,,
And there are great powers that support corrupt leaders and left them behind when it's blasting ,, and when resources are exhausted, after all binding agreements were sealed for a long term profitability ,,
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robplum: I think Philippine political system has always been a basket case, corruption, probably still is
Yes, that's undeniably true,, corruption is a cancer in the Phils, up to now,, but I is till do hope with the emerging new generation with less corrupt attitudes,, progress regarding this problem can be attained ,,,
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bit like Thailand, corruption. I tried to follow what Yingluck Shinawatra was doing with the Thai southern Farmers Rice crop, far as i could tell she offered contracts to purchase there rice took delivery and never paid for them. She sold out to China after Thai ships on the Mekong became stranded because China stemmed the flow of water from the Tibetan catchment feeding the Mekong.
I also note in todays Xinhua news China supports her in relation to the rice crop affair:
(Xinhua) -- Former Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Tuesday denied all charges in the first hearing of a case in which she is accused of malfeasance in a controversial rice-pledging scheme.
I also note in todays Xinhua news China supports her in relation to the rice crop affair:
(Xinhua) -- Former Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Tuesday denied all charges in the first hearing of a case in which she is accused of malfeasance in a controversial rice-pledging scheme.
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Military & Defense More: Britain China Military
PROFESSOR: Here's Why Britain's Military Could Beat China
GUS LUBIN
China's armed forces makes a lot of headlines these days, with 2.3 million active military personnel and the world's second largest defense budget. Some people, like the bloggers at Global Firepower, take this to mean that China has the world's third most powerful military, behind the U.S. and Russia and followed by India and Britain. But this thankfully abstract debate is far from settled, and one top authority says that China's military is still inferior to little Britain with its 224,500 active military personnel.
Professor Malcolm Chalmers, director of UK Defence Policy Studies at the renowned Royal United Services Institute, says Britain would have a clear advantage in a straight fight at an equidistant location.
Chalmers described the modern paradigm in a widely reported 2011 article:
The UK will never again be a member of the select club of global superpowers. Indeed it has not been one for decades. But currently planned levels of defence spending should be enough for it to maintain its position as one of the world’s five second-rank military powers (with only the US in the first rank), as well as being (with France) one of NATO-Europe’s two leading military powers. Its edge – not least its qualitative edge – in relation to rising Asian powers seems set to erode, but will remain significant well into the 2020’s, and possibly beyond.
We recently contacted Chalmers to ask if this paradigm still held and to elaborate on how Britain could beat China.
He wrote back:
I think my 2011 comment remains valid. If you take individual elements of front line military capability – air, sea, land — the UK armed forces continue to outmatch those of China in qualitative terms by some margin. The UK also has greater capabilities for getting the most out of these forces, through key enabling capabilities (command and control, intelligence, strategic transport).
Not least, the UK has greater capability than China for operating at range. China (and even more so other Asian powers) remain focused on their immediate neighbourhoods, with limited capabilities for power projection. This is likely to change over the next decade. For now, though, China would still be out-matched qualitatively in a ‘straight fight’ with the UK in an equidistant location (the south Atlantic? The Gulf?), and would be unable to mobilise a force big enough to outweigh this quality gap. China's quantitative advantages would come into play in the event of a conflict in its own neighbourhood – and its qualitative weaknesses would be less important, though still significant. So my statement was never meant to imply that the UK could outmatch China off the latter’s own coastline.
Britain's military power comes at a high cost, namely $61 billion, the fourth highest defense budget in the world behind the U.S. ($683 billion), China ($166 billion), and Russia ($91 billion).
PROFESSOR: Here's Why Britain's Military Could Beat China
GUS LUBIN
China's armed forces makes a lot of headlines these days, with 2.3 million active military personnel and the world's second largest defense budget. Some people, like the bloggers at Global Firepower, take this to mean that China has the world's third most powerful military, behind the U.S. and Russia and followed by India and Britain. But this thankfully abstract debate is far from settled, and one top authority says that China's military is still inferior to little Britain with its 224,500 active military personnel.
Professor Malcolm Chalmers, director of UK Defence Policy Studies at the renowned Royal United Services Institute, says Britain would have a clear advantage in a straight fight at an equidistant location.
Chalmers described the modern paradigm in a widely reported 2011 article:
The UK will never again be a member of the select club of global superpowers. Indeed it has not been one for decades. But currently planned levels of defence spending should be enough for it to maintain its position as one of the world’s five second-rank military powers (with only the US in the first rank), as well as being (with France) one of NATO-Europe’s two leading military powers. Its edge – not least its qualitative edge – in relation to rising Asian powers seems set to erode, but will remain significant well into the 2020’s, and possibly beyond.
We recently contacted Chalmers to ask if this paradigm still held and to elaborate on how Britain could beat China.
He wrote back:
I think my 2011 comment remains valid. If you take individual elements of front line military capability – air, sea, land — the UK armed forces continue to outmatch those of China in qualitative terms by some margin. The UK also has greater capabilities for getting the most out of these forces, through key enabling capabilities (command and control, intelligence, strategic transport).
Not least, the UK has greater capability than China for operating at range. China (and even more so other Asian powers) remain focused on their immediate neighbourhoods, with limited capabilities for power projection. This is likely to change over the next decade. For now, though, China would still be out-matched qualitatively in a ‘straight fight’ with the UK in an equidistant location (the south Atlantic? The Gulf?), and would be unable to mobilise a force big enough to outweigh this quality gap. China's quantitative advantages would come into play in the event of a conflict in its own neighbourhood – and its qualitative weaknesses would be less important, though still significant. So my statement was never meant to imply that the UK could outmatch China off the latter’s own coastline.
Britain's military power comes at a high cost, namely $61 billion, the fourth highest defense budget in the world behind the U.S. ($683 billion), China ($166 billion), and Russia ($91 billion).
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MADDOG69: Not second richest. Richest. Currency exchange rates skew the figures. I just see a lot of butt hurt people sometimes deciding to ignore the real size of the economy. And the real size of the economy is the Purchasing Power parity. The Chinese Economy has been the the largest now since back in 2014. And everyday the gap gets bigger at an astonishing rate.
Economic might is truly measured in how much stuff you can make and services provide.
Thats about 18 trillion $.
Economic might is truly measured in how much stuff you can make and services provide.
Thats about 18 trillion $.
Purchasing power parity.... the ultimate economic measurement standard
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galrads: Purchasing power parity.... the ultimate economic measurement standard
Sorry guys just woke up but very interesting comments generated by this act.
On the account of buying power, yes China holds the king ship in being the creditor in the IMF. USA as the rest of the world are all debtors. There was an article sometime last year from either Newsweek or Times about the grand scale of profit generated by China from this investment. Not to mention the world as its market to its product.
In the USA alone its Walmart which market mostly products from China, generates Z revenue of 200 grand per store per day. Heck the Walton family is becoming billionaires just from this commerce alone.
Why I'm mentioning this because it opens up a chess move from the rest of these debtors. If China will wage war and lost, voila all those debts go kaput. Anyways this is a sure set up for China to show dominance and then fall.
But I can be wrong.
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Lolette: And there are great powers that support corrupt leaders and left them behind when it's blasting ,, and when resources are exhausted, after all binding agreements were sealed for a long term profitability ,,
Hi Lolette yes indeed on your line of history per the relationship of the Philippines and China. It started as only for commercial and fishing purposes. It never showed intention of invading the country for world dominance. Friendly and while Chinese maintain s very serious non intermarriage between the two culture there's plenty of proof on dominating the social and political areas here. Cojuangco, like you said, once the most richest person there is in political machine and so is the ancestors of the Aquino family.
But the presence of the USA during the presence of the USA which started in 1898 up until the war shaped the Philippines future in politics. We were offered to become a part of the USA long before Alaska and Hawaii was but the elite members of the politics during that time didn't ratify for some fears of losing freedom. If only they knew the advantages it would have by now.
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lindsyjones: Sorry guys just woke up but very interesting comments generated by this act.
On the account of buying power, yes China holds the king ship in being the creditor in the IMF. USA as the rest of the world are all debtors. There was an article sometime last year from either Newsweek or Times about the grand scale of profit generated by China from this investment. Not to mention the world as its market to its product.
In the USA alone its Walmart which market mostly products from China, generates Z revenue of 200 grand per store per day. Heck the Walton family is becoming billionaires just from this commerce alone.
Why I'm mentioning this because it opens up a chess move from the rest of these debtors. If China will wage war and lost, voila all those debts go kaput. Anyways this is a sure set up for China to show dominance and then fall.
But I can be wrong.
On the account of buying power, yes China holds the king ship in being the creditor in the IMF. USA as the rest of the world are all debtors. There was an article sometime last year from either Newsweek or Times about the grand scale of profit generated by China from this investment. Not to mention the world as its market to its product.
In the USA alone its Walmart which market mostly products from China, generates Z revenue of 200 grand per store per day. Heck the Walton family is becoming billionaires just from this commerce alone.
Why I'm mentioning this because it opens up a chess move from the rest of these debtors. If China will wage war and lost, voila all those debts go kaput. Anyways this is a sure set up for China to show dominance and then fall.
But I can be wrong.
If China falls in such a conflict, you have to ask how? The only way would be a nuclear exchange, so if China falls so does the rest of the world. Think about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rizlared: If China falls in such a conflict, you have to ask how? The only way would be a nuclear exchange, so if China falls so does the rest of the world. Think about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pre emptive surprise attack total emasculation in one GO
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lindsyjones: Sorry guys just woke up but very interesting comments generated by this act.
On the account of buying power, yes China holds the king ship in being the creditor in the IMF. USA as the rest of the world are all debtors. There was an article sometime last year from either Newsweek or Times about the grand scale of profit generated by China from this investment. Not to mention the world as its market to its product.
In the USA alone its Walmart which market mostly products from China, generates Z revenue of 200 grand per store per day. Heck the Walton family is becoming billionaires just from this commerce alone.
Why I'm mentioning this because it opens up a chess move from the rest of these debtors. If China will wage war and lost, voila all those debts go kaput. Anyways this is a sure set up for China to show dominance and then fall.
But I can be wrong.
On the account of buying power, yes China holds the king ship in being the creditor in the IMF. USA as the rest of the world are all debtors. There was an article sometime last year from either Newsweek or Times about the grand scale of profit generated by China from this investment. Not to mention the world as its market to its product.
In the USA alone its Walmart which market mostly products from China, generates Z revenue of 200 grand per store per day. Heck the Walton family is becoming billionaires just from this commerce alone.
Why I'm mentioning this because it opens up a chess move from the rest of these debtors. If China will wage war and lost, voila all those debts go kaput. Anyways this is a sure set up for China to show dominance and then fall.
But I can be wrong.
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lindsyjones: Sorry guys just woke up but very interesting comments generated by this act.
On the account of buying power, yes China holds the king ship in being the creditor in the IMF. USA as the rest of the world are all debtors. There was an article sometime last year from either Newsweek or Times about the grand scale of profit generated by China from this investment. Not to mention the world as its market to its product.
In the USA alone its Walmart which market mostly products from China, generates Z revenue of 200 grand per store per day. Heck the Walton family is becoming billionaires just from this commerce alone.
Why I'm mentioning this because it opens up a chess move from the rest of these debtors. If China will wage war and lost, voila all those debts go kaput. Anyways this is a sure set up for China to show dominance and then fall.
But I can be wrong.
On the account of buying power, yes China holds the king ship in being the creditor in the IMF. USA as the rest of the world are all debtors. There was an article sometime last year from either Newsweek or Times about the grand scale of profit generated by China from this investment. Not to mention the world as its market to its product.
In the USA alone its Walmart which market mostly products from China, generates Z revenue of 200 grand per store per day. Heck the Walton family is becoming billionaires just from this commerce alone.
Why I'm mentioning this because it opens up a chess move from the rest of these debtors. If China will wage war and lost, voila all those debts go kaput. Anyways this is a sure set up for China to show dominance and then fall.
But I can be wrong.
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China will wage war and lost, voila all those debts go kaput. Anyways this is a sure set up for China to show dominance and then fall.
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Lindsy, sure, there's posibility that joint international forces could defeat China, but it should be no man's land that would be left after, we and the occidentals should never underestimate their potentials and their philosophy, and it's have it's allies too, North Korea with it's nuclear arsenal, and maybe RUSSIA, this 2 countries didn't search any friendly link with the rest of the world ,, If it's the way to wipe out debts, then we are a no good debtors,, and CHINA hates people who don't pay their debts,, it's one of their forte ,,,
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they attacked USA cause USA was in their way then 2nd WW
now 3rd WW
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