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Jun 9, 2015 10:17 AM CST religious differences
Obstinance_Works
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lindsyjones: It's amazing how religion represents most our values, beliefs and traditions, and to most it's a way of life. We live in our religion and religion lives within us.
(Atheist excluded)

QUESTION: Can we become more united because of religion? Or are we more divided?

Why?


Religion can either unite or divide whereas atheism & agnosticism are simply void of any cohesive or divisive properties. Which isn't to say atheists are not divisive, they're probably more divisive because of the egotism that arises without reverence and awe before God, but atheism itself is neither pro-social nor anti-social and it's morally blank. Atheism is a social non-entity which is probably why atheism appeals greatly to people with autism and autistic traits.
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Jun 9, 2015 10:25 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Obstinance_Works: Religion can either unite or divide whereas atheism & agnosticism are simply void of any cohesive or divisive properties. Which isn't to say atheists are not divisive, they're probably more divisive because of the egotism that arises without reverence and awe before God, but atheism itself is neither pro-social nor anti-social and it's morally blank. Atheism is a social non-entity which is probably why atheism appeals greatly to people with autism and autistic traits.



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irha-nadeem | Student, Grade 9 | (Level 1) Salutatorian
Posted November 9, 2011 at 4:21 PM via web
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Why is religion important in our life?

How is it important?

What will happen if we will have no religion?

What is importance of religion in our social life?

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accessteacher | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator
Posted November 9, 2011 at 7:26 PM (Answer #2)
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I am glad that this is in the discussion section of this group! You will receive a wide range of different answers. For me, I think that religion is helpful in terms of us as humans having some way of understanding what is not understandable in our lives. We need to be able to have some way of thinking about and conceiving the eternal rather than the temporary which our lives occupy. I think man has always had some form of religion throughout his existence, so there will never be a time where we will not have religion.


One must first define the meaning of religion and whether it is something that fits in our lives.

A religion is a philosophy based on spiritual beliefs. It aims to dictate a canon that would help to heal the spiritual side of the individual and, eventually, it will permeate into the dynamics of life.

This being said, a religion may only be important to those who a) believe in that there is such a thing as spiritual needs, and b) need some form of moral or emotional support to enhance their lives.

If you are one of those two types of persons, then practicing some form of religion may help you find ways to (for example) meditate, pray, practice your patience, strengthen your levels of tolerance to adversity, help you understand the nature of people.

Therefore, being that having a religion is a choice, perhaps it is a good choice for those who need to learn ways to understand their lives, and that of others.

ref Ossa.
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Jun 9, 2015 10:47 AM CST religious differences
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irha-na mine is for you, but for the sake of humanity, we mustmieem | Student, Grade 9 | (Level 1) Salutatorian
Posted November 9, 2011 at 4:21 PM via web
dislike1like Importance of religion in one's life
Why is religion important in our life?

How is it important?

What will happen if we will have no religion?

What is importance of religion in our social life?

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accessteacher | High School Teacher | (Level 3) Distinguished Educator
Posted November 9, 2011 at 7:26 PM (Answer #2)
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I am glad that this is in the discussion section of this group! You will receive a wide range of different answers. For me, I think that religion is helpful in terms of us as humans having some way of understanding what is not understandable in our lives. We need to be able to have some way of thinking about and conceiving the eternal rather than the temporary which our lives occupy. I think man has always had some form of religion throughout his existence, so there will never be a time where we will not have religion.One must first define the meaning of religion and whether it is something that fits in our lives.

A religion is a philosophy based on spiritual beliefs. It aims to dictate a canon that would help to heal the spiritual side of the individual and, eventually, it will permeate into the dynamics of life.

This being said, a religion may only be important to those who a) believe in that there is such a thing as spiritual needs, and b) need some form of moral or emotional support to enhance their lives.

If you are one of those two types of persons, then practicing some form of religion may help you find ways to (for example) meditate, pray, practice your patience, strengthen your levels of tolerance to adversity, help you understand the nature of people.

Therefore, being that having a religion is a choice, perhaps it is a good choice for those who need to learn ways to understand their lives, and that of others.

ref Ossa.


Awesome Tom. A most valuable learning and tool that leads mankind to understand the force religion can do to those who are united by the glue it provides. The question is: with so many beliefs that's different if not opposing each other, how can we achieve this unity that will lead us to rise above differences? Meaning, your religion is not for me, nor mine is for you but for the sake of all of us and peace, let's set it aside and live happily side by side?
Can this be the mode of our thinking?
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Jun 9, 2015 10:55 AM CST religious differences
Obstinance_Works: Religion can eit? And if on the far side thher unite o r divide whereas atheism & agnosticism are simply void of any cohesive or divisive properties. Which isn't to say atheists are not divisive, they're probably more divisive because of the egotism that arises without reverence and awe before God, but atheism itself is neither pro-social nor anti-social and it's morally blank. Atheism is a social non-entity which is probably why atheism appeals greatly to people with autism and autistic traits.


I gather two things obs, does it connote that those atheist are of superior demeanor and therefore arrogant? Or simply their own choosing to be free of justification kn their existence? Makes me wonder.
Now then if religion is equivalent to each one's way of life, how can it not be Z way to unite us? Considering that survival is no longer a need (basic I mean), why can't we just tolerate each one's way of life and let it be?
Note: not taking into account extremism.
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Jun 9, 2015 10:59 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Thanks Lindsy, The Dali Llama has some points to make on this aspect of your question.

I am extremely delighted to attend this inter faith seminar on the Preservation of Religious Harmony, Co­existence and Universal Peace organised by the International Association for Religious Freedom (IARF), Ladakh group. Thank you very much for the detailed explanation of the association's history, activities, objectives and their relevance in the present century. I have nothing to add on what the speakers said earlier. But I would like to say a few things.

We are now in the twenty ­first century. The quality of research on both the inner and physical world has reached quite high levels, thanks to the tremendous stride in technological advancement and human intelligence. However, as some of the speakers said before, the world is also facing a lot of new problems, most of which are man­-made. The root cause of these man­-made problems is the inability of human beings to control their agitated minds. How to control such a state of mind is taught by the various religions of this world.

I am a religious practitioner, who follows Buddhism. More than a thousand years have passed since the great religions of the world flourished, including Buddhism. During those years, the world had witnessed a lot of conflicts, in which followers of different religions were also involved. As a religious practitioner, I acknowledge the fact that different religions of the world have provided many solutions about how to control an agitated mind. In spite of this, I still feel we have not been able to realise our full potential.

I always say that every person on this earth has the freedom to practice or not practice religion. It is all right to do either. But once you accept religion, it is extremely important to be able to focus your mind on it and sincerely practice the teachings in your daily life. All of us can see that we tend to indulge in religious favouritism by saying, "I belong to this or that religion", rather than making effort to control our agitated minds. This misuse of religion, due to our disturbed minds, also sometimes creates problems.

I know a physicist from Chile who told me that it is not appropriate for a scientist to be biased towards science because of his love and passion for it. I am a Buddhist practitioner and have a lot of faith and respect in the teachings of the Buddha. However, if I mix up my love for and attachment to Buddhism, then my mind shall be biased towards it. A biased mind, which never sees the complete picture, cannot grasp the reality. And any action that results from such a state of mind will not be in tune with reality. As such it causes a lot of problems.
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Jun 9, 2015 10:59 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
According to Buddhist philosophy, happiness is the result of an enlightened mind whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind. This is very important. A distorted mind, in contrast to an enlightened mind, is one that is not in tune with reality.

Any issue, including political, economic and religious activities human beings pursue in this world, should be fully understood before we pass our judgement. Therefore, it is very important to know the causes. Whatever the issue, we should be able to see the complete picture. This will enable us to comprehend the whole story. The teachings offered in Buddhism are based on rationality, and I think are very fruitful.

Today, a lot of people from different religious backgrounds are present here. In every religion, there are transcendent things that are beyond the grasp of our mind and speech. For example, the concept of God in Christianity and Islam and that of wisdom truth body in Buddhism are metaphysical, which is not possible for an ordinary person like us to realise. This is a common difficulty faced by every religion. It is taught in every ­religion, including Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam, that the ultimate truth is driven by faith.

I want to emphasise that it is extremely important for practitioners to sincerely believe in their respective religions. Usually, I say that it is very important to distinguish between "belief in one religion" and "belief in many religions". The former directly contradicts the latter. Therefore, we should resolutely resolve these contradictions. This is possible only by thinking in contextual terms. A contradiction in one context might not be the same in the other. In the context of one person, a single truth is closely associated with a single source of refuge. This is of extreme necessity. However, in the context of society or more than one person it is necessary to have different sources of refuge, religions and truths.
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Jun 9, 2015 11:03 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne
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Jun 9, 2015 11:11 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne: http://www.dalailama.com/messages/religious-harmony


I'm in reverence Tom.

When he mentioned about the fact that WE HAVE TO REACH or haven't reach the maximum potential of realizing our control to our agitated mind, it's possible then that levels of dimensions in life is of most importance. If sustain the study of Dr. Brian Weiss Many Lives Many Masters.

I'm still absorbing all these Tom. I'm just delving into Taoism and Buddhism and it does keep the mind achieve certain level of peace and positive trance.
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Jun 9, 2015 11:13 AM CST religious differences
lindsyjones: I'm in reverence Tom.

When he mentioned about the fact that WE HAVE TO REACH or haven't reach the maximum potential of realizing our control to our agitated mind, it's possible then that levels of dimensions in life is of most importance. If sustain the study of Dr. Brian Weiss Many Lives Many Masters.

I'm still absorbing all these Tom. I'm just delving into Taoism and Buddhism and it does keep the mind achieve certain level of peace and positive trance.


It goes back to the original question posed in the beginning by Dalai Lama: "if all religions seek and advocate peace, why are we so divided and not achieving it?"
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Jun 9, 2015 11:14 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
lindsyjones: I'm in reverence Tom.

When he mentioned about the fact that WE HAVE TO REACH or haven't reach the maximum potential of realizing our control to our agitated mind, it's possible then that levels of dimensions in life is of most importance. If sustain the study of Dr. Brian Weiss Many Lives Many Masters.

I'm still absorbing all these Tom. I'm just delving into Taoism and Buddhism and it does keep the mind achieve certain level of peace and positive trance.


Glad to help a fellow searcherteddybear
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Jun 9, 2015 11:24 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne: Glad to help a fellow searcher


My pleasure Tom. And life should and must be a continously journey of learning. My hope for all, only then perhaps we can achieve the universal truth of achieving peace and unity.

I'm a cradled Catholic but when it comes to peace and practice of humility I find the philosophy of these two religions to be closest to the the truth if what we all seek. Peace.

Thanks Tom.
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Jun 9, 2015 11:24 AM CST religious differences
galrads
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tomcatwarne: According to Buddhist philosophy, happiness is the result of an enlightened mind whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind. This is very important. A distorted mind, in contrast to an enlightened mind, is one that is not in tune with reality.

Any issue, including political, economic and religious activities human beings pursue in this world, should be fully understood before we pass our judgement. Therefore, it is very important to know the causes. Whatever the issue, we should be able to see the complete picture. This will enable us to comprehend the whole story. The teachings offered in Buddhism are based on rationality, and I think are very fruitful.

Today, a lot of people from different religious backgrounds are present here. In every religion, there are transcendent things that are beyond the grasp of our mind and speech. For example, the concept of God in Christianity and Islam and that of wisdom truth body in Buddhism are metaphysical, which is not possible for an ordinary person like us to realise. This is a common difficulty faced by every religion. It is taught in every ­religion, including Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam, that the ultimate truth is driven by faith.

I want to emphasise that it is extremely important for practitioners to sincerely believe in their respective religions. Usually, I say that it is very important to distinguish between "belief in one religion" and "belief in many religions". The former directly contradicts the latter. Therefore, we should resolutely resolve these contradictions. This is possible only by thinking in contextual terms. A contradiction in one context might not be the same in the other. In the context of one person, a single truth is closely associated with a single source of refuge. This is of extreme necessity. However, in the context of society or more than one person it is necessary to have different sources of refuge, religions and truths.



Who is suffering here?

Buddhism, comes from 'budhi', 'to awaken'. I think maybe Siddhartha Gotama, the Buddha, would be shocked to hear you berate others who have looked for understanding in what and why you've posted certain material in the forums. IMHO, you should consider apologizing to Jac, for beginners.

Buddhist walk is basically...
(1) to lead a moral life,
(2) to be mindful and aware of thoughts and actions, and
(3) to develop wisdom and understanding.

Happiness is the way, there is no way to happiness ..... wave
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Jun 9, 2015 11:26 AM CST religious differences
lindsyjones: My pleasure Tom. And life should and must be a continously journey of learning. My hope for all, only then perhaps we can achieve the universal truth of achieving peace and unity.

I'm a cradled Catholic but when it comes to peace and practice of humility I find the philosophy of these two religions to be closest to the the truth if what we all seek. Peace.

Thanks Tom.


And this is sans the assumption that I am perfect. Of course not, you poke me or insult me and my natural instinct of self preservation prevails. Of which I should work harder on it. Peace to all.
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Jun 9, 2015 11:29 AM CST religious differences
galrads: Who is suffering here?

Buddhism, comes from 'budhi', 'to awaken'. I think maybe Siddhartha Gotama, the Buddha, would be shocked to hear you berate others who have looked for understanding in what and why you've posted certain material in the forums. IMHO, you should consider apologizing to Jac, for beginners.

Buddhist walk is basically...
(1) to lead a moral life,
(2) to be mindful and aware of thoughts and actions, and
(3) to develop wisdom and understanding.

Happiness is the way, there is no way to happiness .....


Let's just say that is the case Galrads, thanks very much. Do you always ever act perfect? I rest my peace. Here iz for you galrads. May peace be with all of us, because when all is said and done, your peace to yourself us what counts.
Thanks for your presence. My apologies to all I've wronged. wine
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Jun 9, 2015 11:33 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
I don't apologise for relaying material usually referenced, which I use in my research.

My thesis was taken from the experts of the world, properly referenced and accepted by my university body

I rather think jack should apologise for posing as an expert in many fields.

She publish as her opinion and properly reference her remarks

Her arguments usually attack personally .ho has had a problem with Jack.
I am not the only one .
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Jun 9, 2015 11:33 AM CST religious differences
stringman
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There is a great difference between CHURCHIANITY and CHRISTIANITY. Many are GOING TO CHURCH but few are GOING DOWN THE ROAD WHICH LEADS TO LIFE (Matthew 7:13-14). Many name the Name of Christ (2 Tim. 2:19) and claim to be Christians but few understand what a Christian really is. Many are RELIGIOUS but few are RIGHT WITH GOD. May God help us to understand the difference between RELIGION and true CHRISTIANITY as set forth in the Word of God, the Holy Bible.
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Jun 9, 2015 11:54 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne: I don't apologise for relaying material usually referenced, which I use in my research.

My thesis was taken from the experts of the world, properly referenced and accepted by my university body

I rather think jack should apologise for posing as an expert in many fields.

She publish as her opinion and properly reference her remarks

Her arguments usually attack personally .ho has had a problem with Jack.
I am not the only one .


Tom I have so many blogs and others, too that is available for everyone to read how obnoxious she became on some of those responses if not aggravation she connects to the arguments.

I'm sure it's her personality but having said that we can all learn a so am I.
Now on my post Woman Leader, I acknowledge in verbatim how she acts so all knowing and superior that she went on accusing me of lack of the command for the English language, which given so, why emphasize kn negativity. Why not enhance a post and add value that we can all learn from.

In regards to this post, I truly appreciate all your additions Tom. I'm finishing my doctorate on international education but I just might change to social behavior, lol.
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Jun 9, 2015 11:57 AM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
lindsyjones: Tom I have so many blogs and others, too that is available for everyone to read how obnoxious she became on some of those responses if not aggravation she connects to the arguments.

I'm sure it's her personality but having said that we can all learn a so am I.
Now on my post Woman Leader, I acknowledge in verbatim how she acts so all knowing and superior that she went on accusing me of lack of the command for the English language, which given so, why emphasize kn negativity. Why not enhance a post and add value that we can all learn from.

In regards to this post, I truly appreciate all your additions Tom. I'm finishing my doctorate on international education but I just might change to social behavior, lol.
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Jun 9, 2015 12:01 PM CST religious differences
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Congratulations on you Doctrate.

The Dr Weiss you r referred to referred to I believe is the psychiatrist , I have heard about the book you mentioned and will read it.teddybear
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Jun 9, 2015 12:06 PM CST religious differences
galrads: Who is suffering here?

Buddhism, comes from 'budhi', 'to awaken'. I think maybe Siddhartha Gotama, the Buddha, would be shocked to hear you berate others who have looked for understanding in what and why you've posted certain material in the forums. IMHO, you should consider apologizing to Jac, for beginners.

Buddhist walk is basically...
(1) to lead a moral life,
(2) to be mindful and aware of thoughts and actions, and
(3) to develop wisdom and understanding.

Happiness is the way, there is no way to happiness .....


And by the way Galrads, look at the 76 percent of the world who'd never have a chance of getting awakened in this life. Regardless as to how we respond sometimes, we all have to agree, this is a matter of privileged to share and learn all these, right?
I personally thank CS, and all participants specially for those who has contributed greatly on the core of the post, if only to seek more that which make mankind benefit.
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