Is euthanasia an ethical act.??? ( Archived) (72)

Jan 31, 2016 8:37 AM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Already a message is put above people over a certain age. It is DNA.

It means do not resusticate.
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Jan 31, 2016 8:58 AM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
If that persons loved ones have dementia or any other disease which that person is going to die anyway and it is stated in that persons will then yes I feel that Euthanasia is an ethical act.
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Jan 31, 2016 9:19 AM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
tomcatwarne: Already a message is put above people over a certain age. It is DNA DNR.

It means do not resusticate.


I'm not sure what you mean here, but a DNR order is not a bad thing.

I unfortunately, with my wife's wishes, had to approve an DNR order for her as she was losing a long fought battle with cancer.
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Jan 31, 2016 9:29 AM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
galrads: I'm not sure what you mean here, but a DNR order is not a bad thing.

I unfortunately, with my wife's wishes, had to approve an DNR order for her as she was losing a long fought battle with cancer.




I unfortunately, with my wife's wishes, had to approve an DNR order for her as she was losing a long fought battle with cancer.

Sorry about the spelling, I wasn't trying to say it was a bad thing, just common practice in some cases not to resusticate, a decision taken by the medical professionals and the close relatives.

I'm sorry to hear about your wife.
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Jan 31, 2016 11:29 AM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
tomcatwarne: Already a message is put above people over a certain age. It is DNA.

It means do not resusticate.


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Jan 31, 2016 11:37 AM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
galrads:

imo, assisted suicide should have been legally practiced a long time ago for the same condition when nothing else helps painful suffering.


Your opinion,many share,as well the opposite, saying allow
its natural death, to take its course.
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Jan 31, 2016 11:44 AM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
stringman: sixth commandment thou shalt not murder.

So, euthanasia endorsed by law, in some states in the USA,
is murder???
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Jan 31, 2016 1:05 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
stringman: sixth commandment thou shalt not murder.



Stringman If someone like my neighbors mother who passed away last month who happened to be in the final stages of dementia which is obviously uncurable had written in her will not to be resuscitated that that would be considered murder?

I totally disagree.

As small bones as she was regardless of how much training someone had they could had cracked one of her ribs and punctured a lung which could had killed her.
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Jan 31, 2016 1:22 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Ccincy: Stringman If someone like my neighbors mother who passed away last month who happened to be in the final stages of dementia which is obviously uncurable had written in her will not to be resuscitated that that would be considered murder?

I totally disagree.

As small bones as she was regardless of how much training someone had they could had cracked one of her ribs and punctured a lung which could had killed her.


I understand what you are saying. but it is not up to anyone to take a life or suicide.because it is mans law doesn't make it right. that's how far we have slipped in morality.I have a friend who's wife has dementia he has to put her in a hospital. likely if she lives long enough she may not even know him.
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Jan 31, 2016 1:27 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
stringman: I understand what you are saying. but it is not up to anyone to take a life or suicide.because it is mans law doesn't make it right. that's how far we have slipped in morality.I have a friend who's wife has dementia he has to put her in a hospital. likely if she lives long enough she may not even know him.




If someone is to the point to where are never going ever recover and so far advanced and it is their wish to not put anymore burden on their loved one(s) then their wish should be granted.
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Jan 31, 2016 1:39 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Ccincy: If someone is to the point to where are never going ever recover and so far advanced and it is their wish to not put anymore burden on their loved one(s) then their wish should be granted.


yes I can understand , it is hard to see a loved one suffer but the end is near. it is not up to us to end their life or grant their wish. it is done a lot.
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Jan 31, 2016 1:44 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
stringman: yes I can understand , it is hard to see a loved one suffer but the end is near. it is not up to us to end their life or grant their wish. it is done a lot.




Lets just agree that we both agree to disagree.handshake
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Jan 31, 2016 1:46 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
Ccincy: Lets just agree that we both agree to disagree.


fair enough.handshake
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Jan 31, 2016 8:23 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
galrads: I'm no expert on theology or the bible but it is believed Jesus (sacrifice) freed us from the law because we couldn't, and he Gracefully gave us only one commandment (not ten)....... that we love one another as he loves us.


Jesus died for us on the cross for our sins. in return all HE want's is for us trust in him. yes there where 10 commandments.
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Jan 31, 2016 8:35 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
2intrigued
2intrigued2intriguedMississauga, Ontario Canada11 Threads 18,576 Posts
kidatheart: I don't think it should ever be endorsed by law, that would set a very bad precedent. Perhaps giving the state a legal means to eradicate the elderly, indigent, and ill.

It should always be up to the individual, and it should be in writing, of some description, of the individual that wants to end their life, for whatever reason. Failing the ability to do this under their own means, then someone either appointed to the, or their legal counsel, with any and every supporting measure should be made, and held, responsible for their decision.

I would never want anyone to ask for their own life to be taken by anyone, without knowing full well that others will ultimately be resposnsible, in one way oe another. I'd like to see the courts ease their responsibility in a number of ways, and also grant they dying their wish, in a dignified manner, that doesn't affect the living in a negative fashion.

It really should be up to the one that wants to end their life, for whatever reason. Others should have no legal means to interfere, let alone the courts. It really is an individual choice.


Well said and I totally agree with this. thumbs up
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Jan 31, 2016 8:36 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
stringman: Jesus died for us on the cross for our sins. in return all HE want's is for us trust in him. yes there where 10 commandments.


We got to be reading different bibles. handshake




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Jan 31, 2016 8:39 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
galrads: We got to be reading different bibles.


king James. thumbs up
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Jan 31, 2016 8:48 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
some believe in the main we are the creator of our tomorrows, the path to what can be called liberation. t is a path of learning directed towards ceasing the causes for our sufferings, e.g. having ceased all the causes one goes beyond taking rebirth breaking the cycle of suffering we are all at this time stuck with.

The path is benefiting others...

So I'll try, is someone decides to jump that's there right.
While I'd like to say law of cause in effect is certain, once karma has been created its bound up in time, whatever the karma when right circumstances arise the karma will ripen.
These karmas (karma is english word for deep profound subject matter explained by qualified person explaining Lam Rim)

Good, Bad or Indifferent the karma resides in what's referred to as merit field.
All sentient being's eventually get's to enjoy ripening of the seeds sown, and interfering in that process is silly, because until all the (say) negative seeds have ripened, the being will continue to suffer from them. Whether this life or next doesn't matter, once sown they are certain and until the merit field has been used up, being's will continue to enjoy that suffering.
Normal dying process, it can take up to 27 days for the absorptions to complete (subtle levels of our consciousness) and a dying person should throughout that process not be disturbed.
I understand that goes way over the top of mainstream understanding but none the less that's the sought of issues clowns from end to the golb to other are fooling around with.
Applies to Human and Animal alike, all being that have mind and fear death...
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Jan 31, 2016 9:58 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
sophiasummer
sophiasummersophiasummerNorthland, New Zealand112 Threads 6,528 Posts
chris27292729: Either endorsed by law,or the will of the individual
or his/her relatives???


So tell me,
Where shall I go?
To the left, where nothing's right? Or
to right, where nothings' left

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Jan 31, 2016 10:02 PM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
sophiasummer: So tell me,
Where shall I go?
To the left, where nothing's right? Or
to right, where nothings' left

:



Maybe see things in three dimensions as enlightened people will, and go straight, straight for the heart....... wave
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