robplum: some believe in the main we are the creator of our tomorrows, the path to what can be called liberation. t is a path of learning directed towards ceasing the causes for our sufferings, e.g. having ceased all the causes one goes beyond taking rebirth breaking the cycle of suffering we are all at this time stuck with.
The path is benefiting others...
So I'll try, is someone decides to jump that's there right. While I'd like to say law of cause in effect is certain, once karma has been created its bound up in time, whatever the karma when right circumstances arise the karma will ripen. These karmas (karma is english word for deep profound subject matter explained by qualified person explaining Lam Rim)
Good, Bad or Indifferent the karma resides in what's referred to as merit field. All sentient being's eventually get's to enjoy ripening of the seeds sown, and interfering in that process is silly, because until all the (say) negative seeds have ripened, the being will continue to suffer from them. Whether this life or next doesn't matter, once sown they are certain and until the merit field has been used up, being's will continue to enjoy that suffering. Normal dying process, it can take up to 27 days for the absorptions to complete (subtle levels of our consciousness) and a dying person should throughout that process not be disturbed. I understand that goes way over the top of mainstream understanding but none the less that's the sought of issues clowns from end to the golb to other are fooling around with. Applies to Human and Animal alike, all being that have mind and fear death...
how can i contest this? - if you make an extra-ordinary claim, please come with extra-ordinary evidence.
i can't measure the importance in differences of time in a dying process. Especially if this effect 'Karma' can't be quantified.
And keeping someone alive because he has to fullfill some cosmic-circle-of-life thing just sounds a bit... like craving for attention.
Feb 6, 2016 11:36 AM CST Is euthanasia an ethical act.???
freetobeme3Cape Town, Western Cape South Africa8 Posts
freetobeme3Cape Town, Western Cape South Africa8 posts
chris27292729: Either endorsed by law,or the will of the individual or his/her relatives???
I think every person should be able to choose for themselves. I think it's terribly cruel to keep people alive on machines or to keep them alive when they will be in pain until they die. Someone who is terminally ill should certainly have the right to die peacefully by their own hand and a child who has to be permanently hooked up to machines and not being able to enjoy their life, should have the right to end it. I hear Christians say it is God's choice. I disagree with a God who wants people to suffer for ages and then die. There was the case of a young woman in the USA who moved to Oregon so that she could take her own life. Her short future held an awful lot of pain and suffering. So I agree with it, legal or not.
Len05: how can i contest this? - if you make an extra-ordinary claim, please come with extra-ordinary evidence.
i can't measure the importance in differences of time in a dying process. Especially if this effect 'Karma' can't be quantified.
And keeping someone alive because he has to fullfill some cosmic-circle-of-life thing just sounds a bit... like craving for attention.
Perhaps you could try studying the subject as precise very qualified explanations, including exact details, have been available to anyone taking the time to look for that sort of understanding something like 23,000 years. There is nothing extra-ordinary about the subject at all, other than of course, our own lazy mindedness, blinkered one-eyed stupidity because the process occur's for all beings.
robplum: Perhaps you could try studying the subject as precise very qualified explanations, including exact details, have been available to anyone taking the time to look for that sort of understanding something like 23,000 years. There is nothing extra-ordinary about the subject at all, other than of course, our own lazy mindedness, blinkered one-eyed stupidity because the process occur's for all beings.
Are you talking cave paintings to back it up? As real writing is maybe just 6000years old. Or the start of burial rites?
I think you make a big jump to assert these people knew the truth of life and death, especially as you know nothing about them. You hope or assume they share your current understanding, but please don't expect it to count as convincing evidence to which i (and the rest of the world) are blind to see.
But i like your attitude, like whatever you behold as truth now is the eternal truth. And probably you yourself will change your mind again in about 5 years.
And hey, go to hospitals and tell the people that their suffering is helping them. ;-) Maybe when they are dying painfully people like esotheric banter more then actual relief.
BerrySmoothieMy Retreat, Auckland New Zealand4,733 posts
kidatheart: I don't think it should ever be endorsed by law, that would set a very bad precedent. Perhaps giving the state a legal means to eradicate the elderly, indigent, and ill.
It should always be up to the individual, and it should be in writing, of some description, of the individual that wants to end their life, for whatever reason. Failing the ability to do this under their own means, then someone either appointed to the, or their legal counsel, with any and every supporting measure should be made, and held, responsible for their decision.
I would never want anyone to ask for their own life to be taken by anyone, without knowing full well that others will ultimately be resposnsible, in one way oe another. I'd like to see the courts ease their responsibility in a number of ways, and also grant they dying their wish, in a dignified manner, that doesn't affect the living in a negative fashion.
It really should be up to the one that wants to end their life, for whatever reason. Others should have no legal means to interfere, let alone the courts. It really is an individual choice.
I think, if there is no chance to live normal life without any special help, and death is a matter of time and sufferings of the patient and their close people, I think euthanasia is the really good way to end the suffering. I saw my father, suffering from cancer. I wouldn't like to feel all this. Better quick death in sleeping, than terrible existence only with strongest analgesics.
Cat_lover_2014: I think, if there is no chance to live normal life without any special help, and death is a matter of time and sufferings of the patient and their close people, I think euthanasia is the really good way to end the suffering. I saw my father, suffering from cancer. I wouldn't like to feel all this. Better quick death in sleeping, than terrible existence only with strongest analgesics.
The question is,if you were going to give instructions, seeing your father's suffering, to be euthanazed.
In response to: Either endorsed by law,or the will of the individual or his/her relatives???
By Law no, no one has the right to tell me what I can or can't put in my body or do with my body, if I want to end my life due to an incurable disease or illness , I believe it is up to me and no other person to make that decision. I'm not so black and white when it is depression and or suicide, a harder area to fathom I think.
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The path is benefiting others...
So I'll try, is someone decides to jump that's there right.
While I'd like to say law of cause in effect is certain, once karma has been created its bound up in time, whatever the karma when right circumstances arise the karma will ripen.
These karmas (karma is english word for deep profound subject matter explained by qualified person explaining Lam Rim)
Good, Bad or Indifferent the karma resides in what's referred to as merit field.
All sentient being's eventually get's to enjoy ripening of the seeds sown, and interfering in that process is silly, because until all the (say) negative seeds have ripened, the being will continue to suffer from them. Whether this life or next doesn't matter, once sown they are certain and until the merit field has been used up, being's will continue to enjoy that suffering.
Normal dying process, it can take up to 27 days for the absorptions to complete (subtle levels of our consciousness) and a dying person should throughout that process not be disturbed.
I understand that goes way over the top of mainstream understanding but none the less that's the sought of issues clowns from end to the golb to other are fooling around with.
Applies to Human and Animal alike, all being that have mind and fear death...
how can i contest this?
- if you make an extra-ordinary claim, please come with extra-ordinary evidence.
i can't measure the importance in differences of time in a dying process. Especially if this effect 'Karma' can't be quantified.
And keeping someone alive because he has to fullfill some cosmic-circle-of-life thing just sounds a bit... like craving for attention.