nonsmoker: I doubt there has ever been nor will there ever be an eternal species
We live in a goldielocks zone, our ecosystem is part of its balance. As host and parasite there is a balance to follow and tightrope to walk. any changes on the whole will not effect natures progression. Merely our perception of it. Or complete lack of perception, should we tip to far on either side of our high wire.
Cockroaches are pretty good at surviving just about anything
serene56: This is something I've wondered about for a long time
If an animal species is threatened by/on the brink of extinction, should we intervene
Whether this came about by the destruction of their habitat, through natural selection, climate change etc
Huge resources are thrown at this endeavour worldwide and I wonder to what end ~ please consider and discuss
interesting thought.
When you look back in time we can see so many species rise up and then died off, nature being a cruel mistress. So perhaps we (Mankind) should leave things as mother earth intended and let nature run things?
Having said that, would mother nature, in all her wisdom and strength, have allowed the human race to wreak havoc on this planet without some control? Maybe we are part of her plan, using our destruction to create new life forms that eventually will rise to the top of the food chain and the human race will die away completely.
Mar 14, 2017 10:05 AM CST About the Demise of A Species
inferno500Amsterdam, North Holland Netherlands61 Posts
inferno500Amsterdam, North Holland Netherlands61 posts
rizlared: interesting thought.
When you look back in time we can see so many species rise up and then died off, nature being a cruel mistress. So perhaps we (Mankind) should leave things as mother earth intended and let nature run things?
Having said that, would mother nature, in all her wisdom and strength, have allowed the human race to wreak havoc on this planet without some control? Maybe we are part of her plan, using our destruction to create new life forms that eventually will rise to the top of the food chain and the human race will die away completely.
serene56: This is something I've wondered about for a long time
If an animal species is threatened by/on the brink of extinction, should we intervene
Whether this came about by the destruction of their habitat, through natural selection, climate change etc
Huge resources are thrown at this endeavour worldwide and I wonder to what end ~ please consider and discuss
We are the problem, we are the solution. We have the moral and "the intelligent " obligation to do more about our planet, as most of the extinctions can be traced to human causes (pollution,, over hunting, etc). . science has proved how important biodiversity is to earth .
Mammoth Genome Analysis Points to Pre-Extinction Genome Declines Mar 02, 2017 | staff reporter
NEW YORK (GenomeWeb) – An analysis of available ancient genome sequences suggests that the genome of the woolly mammoth, Mammuthus primigenius, began taking on ever more potentially deleterious mutations as populations dwindled and the species got closer to extinction — a finding that may have implications for recognizing species at risk and implementing appropriate conservation measures.
"There is a long history of theoretical work about how genomes might change in small populations," Rebekah Rogers, an integrative biology researcher at the University of California, Berkeley, said in a statement. "Here, we got a rare chance to look at snapshots of genomes 'before' and 'after' a population decline in a single species."
Rogers and co-author Montgomery Slatkin, also based at UC Berkeley, analyzed available genome sequences from a 45,000-year-old mammoth specimen from mainland Siberia, representing a point in time when the mammoth population remained robust. They compared those sequences to ones from a 4,300-year-old mammoth from a miniscule Wrangel Island population that endured after mainland populations disappeared. The mammoth is estimated to have gone extinct 3,700 years ago.
Compared to the older mammoth genome and to available elephant sequences, the team saw a jump in gene-altering deletions and retrogenes in the Wrangel Island mammoth genome, along with new point mutations predicted to upend protein function. The apparent "genomic meltdown" in the waning island population included pseudogenized olfactory genes, along with a loss of genes coding for urinary proteins related to elephant mate choice, and mutations in genes implicated in mammoth coat features, the researchers noted.
"These data bear the signature of genomic meltdown in small populations, consistent with nearly-neutral genome evolution," Rogers and Slatkin wrote in their PLOS Genetics paper. "They furthermore suggest large numbers of detrimental variants collecting in pre-extinction genomes, a warning for continued efforts to protect current endangered species with small population sizes."
For the new study, the pair set out to characterize genetic variants, deletions, point mutations, and more using existing genome sequence data for the Oimyakon mammoth and the Wrangel mammoth, sequenced to average depths of 11-fold and 17-fold coverage by the Swedish Museum of Natural History's Love Dalén and colleagues for a 2015 study in Current Biology.
When they compared these sequences to sequences from an Indian elephant and an African bush elephant reference genome, the researchers found significant differences between the two woolly mammoth genomes. The Wrangel Island mammoth genome contained more overall deletions, gene deletions, retrogene content, and stop codon-causing point mutations relative to the genome of the Oimyakon mammoth, for example.
The team considered the biological effects of some of these new mutations, while placing the genomic changes into a broader context by considering them in relation to known mammoth population patterns.
A rise in deletions was also detected in the genome of the Indian elephant, albeit to a lesser extent, reflecting declines in that animal's population, the researchers reported, pointing to the possibility of tapping genomic data for future conservation efforts in the Indian elephant and other species.
"Although compensatory mutations might conceivably correct for some detrimental mutations, with small effective population sizes, adaptation through both new mutation and standing variation may be severely limited," Rogers and Slatkin concluded. "Thus, we might expect genomes affected by genomic meltdown to show lasting repercussions that will impede population recovery."
Mar 14, 2017 3:02 PM CST About the Demise of A Species
BritishLondonManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK323 Posts
BritishLondonManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK323 posts
rizlared: interesting thought.
When you look back in time we can see so many species rise up and then died off, nature being a cruel mistress. So perhaps we (Mankind) should leave things as mother earth intended and let nature run things?
Having said that, would mother nature, in all her wisdom and strength, have allowed the human race to wreak havoc on this planet without some control? Maybe we are part of her plan, using our destruction to create new life forms that eventually will rise to the top of the food chain and the human race will die away completely.
And that's why when a Chinese olmypian fails to win gold her village gets demolished...
The problem with the ubermensch is that people who believe that are almost never the best and brightest, and more often than not they're Dungeons and Dragons enthusiasts who were profoundly unpopular at school. We all look like ants to them.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
"Rather than focusing on population growth as the preeminent environmental problem, we need to accept our growing numbers and look to what we can acceptably change.
And it’s no secret that it comes down to our use of resources.
If product engineers were made to consider the 10-billion global population during the design phase, for example, they could create products that are more durable, longer-lasting, and more easily dismantled for efficient recycling of their materials.
Energy could be generated from nonpolluting sources. Instead of wasting 40 percent of our food, as we do now, we could farm, store, transport, and eat it more efficiently...."
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We live in a goldielocks zone, our ecosystem is part of its balance.
As host and parasite there is a balance to follow and tightrope to walk.
any changes on the whole will not effect natures progression.
Merely our perception of it. Or complete lack of perception,
should we tip to far on either side of our high wire.
Cockroaches are pretty good at surviving just about anything