Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
Mickmjb: I read a medical report around 3 or 4 years ago on a trial of new antibiotics, it did an amazing job apparently, on flu, bird flu and a host of other stuff, without any damage to cells. It's usually 10 years of testing though, mind I hear the testing time is going to be reduced!
Hi Mick, Where have u been ?
And u can be the first patsy ?
Just remember to tell us all the original ingredients, so we can check out for it ?
Mickmjb: I read a medical report around 3 or 4 years ago on a trial of new antibiotics, it did an amazing job apparently, on flu, bird flu and a host of other stuff, without any damage to cells. It's usually 10 years of testing though, mind I hear the testing time is going to be reduced!
hate to argue but you might wanna fact check that ...
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Antibiotics are strong medicines that treat bacterial infections. Antibiotics won't treat viral infections because they can't kill viruses. You'll get better when the viral infection has run its course. Common illnesses caused by bacteria are urinary tract infections, strep throat, and some pneumonia.
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Taking ABs always leads to indiscriminate destruction of the gut flora and flu is a viral not bacterial infection
HexagonKeySet: hate to argue but you might wanna fact check that ...
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Antibiotics are strong medicines that treat bacterial infections. Antibiotics won't treat viral infections because they can't kill viruses. You'll get better when the viral infection has run its course. Common illnesses caused by bacteria are urinary tract infections, strep throat, and some pneumonia.
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Taking ABs always leads to indiscriminate destruction of the gut flora and flu is a viral not bacterial infection
This was something very new and nothing like our old antibiotics, it did mention being effective on H1N1 and bird flu virus too....wish I'd kept it! It was a paper from some lab tests... Mind being the pessimist I am, anything that good wouldn't see the light of day anyway!
Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
HexagonKeySet: hate to argue but you might wanna fact check that ...
CnP (for speed)
Antibiotics are strong medicines that treat bacterial infections. Antibiotics won't treat viral infections because they can't kill viruses. You'll get better when the viral infection has run its course. Common illnesses caused by bacteria are urinary tract infections, strep throat, and some pneumonia.
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Taking ABs always leads to indiscriminate destruction of the gut flora and flu is a viral not bacterial infection
Now even U should know, to take a probiotic with when taking antibiotics ???
Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
HexagonKeySet: I know better than to accept indiscriminate antibiotics for non-bacterial infections and even in the case of a bacterial infection I;d look to an immune system support (appropriate foods/supplements etc) rather than ABs wherever possible ...
Did YOU know that most PRObiotics are a waste of time and money as they do nothing (because they're killed off in the acidic environment of the stomach before they ever reach the intestines) unless accompanied by an appropriate PREbiotic ...
Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
HexagonKeySet: U said U R 'something in medicine' ... you can do your own research, that's always more beneficial than someone else telling you ... but y'know ... look at the most recent papers and check out the cred of the authors.
Most PRObios are now made by divisions of the Big Pharma Co's ... they now see the sale of a Probiotic (which is never on prescription and so unregulated on price) as an opportunity ... much like selling batteries when you buy a torch !
True. I'm on antibiotics, in a very blue moon, but can see the need currently, which is why I accepted them. Last time I bought Probiotics, it was very cheap. This last one, was a bigger packet, and very expensive for a Probiotic. U end up using 6 and throw the rest away ! Very bad, indeed !
Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
HexagonKeySet: PMSL ... if you think taking 6 probios ( probably corresponding to the 6 days course of taking a course of ABs) is going to go anywhere near restoring your gut flora ... then your only 'something to do with medicine' must have been as a patient !!!!
Has anyone ever told u that u r Very Judgemental ?
I know myself very well, and ur speculations, just make me laugh.
Antibiotics are sometimes referred to as the overworked miracle. All living things even microbial ones evolve to meet any threat. If that threat is a poison or some other chemical it will reap havoc on the general population but there might be one mutation that is resistant. It could be one in ten billion and take decades to appear but it will eventually happen. This gives us some real time in medical situations but the food supply companies and their lobbies have accelerated this out of all proportion.
The modern mass animal production has seen large numbers of chickens, cows, pigs and many more animal food growers cram them into smaller and smaller places. This would be economically catastrophic if certain diseases were to infest the heard. They are fed antibiotics in there feed as it prevents this from happening as well as promotes growth in the livestock. This has the unfortunate effect of accelerating the resistant strains and then it is released to the general food processing industry and eventually you. There have been many attempts over the years to stop this practice but the food lobby is just too strong and entranced to make headway. That is why most of the early common medicines are not effective anymore.
Well, don't think that it is completely hopeless. The giant food conglomerates will make billions to continue there extravagant lifestyle and if you should happen to get sick from this and the current form of cure is not working then without the health care they just ended you and the disease will both die out and it will be a momentary end of the problem.
Grouchyoldfart: Antibiotics are sometimes referred to as the overworked miracle. All living things even microbial ones evolve to meet any threat. If that threat is a poison or some other chemical it will reap havoc on the general population but there might be one mutation that is resistant. It could be one in ten billion and take decades to appear but it will eventually happen. This gives us some real time in medical situations but the food supply companies and their lobbies have accelerated this out of all proportion.
The modern mass animal production has seen large numbers of chickens, cows, pigs and many more animal food growers cram them into smaller and smaller places. This would be economically catastrophic if certain diseases were to infest the heard. They are fed antibiotics in there feed as it prevents this from happening as well as promotes growth in the livestock. This has the unfortunate effect of accelerating the resistant strains and then it is released to the general food processing industry and eventually you. There have been many attempts over the years to stop this practice but the food lobby is just too strong and entranced to make headway. That is why most of the early common medicines are not effective anymore.
Well, don't think that it is completely hopeless. The giant food conglomerates will make billions to continue there extravagant lifestyle and if you should happen to get sick from this and the current form of cure is not working then without the health care they just ended you and the disease will both die out and it will be a momentary end of the problem.
Even as he announced penicillin to the world Fleming warned against their over use ...
You hit the nail on the head 'Every life form strives to adpat in order to ensure it's own survival ...' and in that respect the 'simpler form of life' are better placed to make rapid changes whereas the more complex forms of life ( aka US Humans) take far longer because we have to ensure that 'the changes' are compatible across a wider range of organs, tissues bones and bio-systems'
It's also aprt of the reason why no cure can be found for the virus that creates the common cold ... lol, it;'s not so common ... it's constantly evolving for it's own best survival
I take Udo's Choice Super 8 probiotics after a course of antibiotics. They are expensive but I find them very good. Must be stored in a fridge for best effect.
Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
Bearwoman: The medical doctors term to me long ago was overuse.
My lower back had been injured in an auto wreck and my knee is considered overuse by a doctor as I just posted.Yes in my knee it's also considered a form of Arthritis overuse if you will.I had no insurance to have surgery on my knee so I've had no choice for quite a few years but tolerate all the pain.
Arthritis responds to certain medication.
And women r proven better than men, at handling pain.
HexagonKeySet: Even as he announced penicillin to the world Fleming warned against their over use ...
You hit the nail on the head 'Every life form strives to adpat in order to ensure it's own survival ...' and in that respect the 'simpler form of life' are better placed to make rapid changes whereas the more complex forms of life ( aka US Humans) take far longer because we have to ensure that 'the changes' are compatible across a wider range of organs, tissues bones and bio-systems'
It's also aprt of the reason why no cure can be found for the virus that creates the common cold ... lol, it;'s not so common ... it's constantly evolving for it's own best survival
Viruses are not complete living things. They need a host to live in as well as to use it'd DNA to reproduce. That is why it mutates so fast and also why certain strains like HIV are so hard to eradicate. Fortunately, most viral strains are recognized and eliminated in human hosts. The yeast and other microbial organisms are a little more evolved so as to take longer. The brooder houses and large corporate farms make more money by adding more and more livestock to the current growth cycle. This promotes the spread of disease much quicker so to prevent this they feed regular doses of antibiotics to the stock. What they become is large breeding grounds for resistant strains. Nice to know that McDonalds and Swift Premium will make more billions on your health ( or lack thereof).
No wonder they got rid of the health care bill. Who wants the Government spending billions on it's people when General Dynamics can use it to make more billions.
Methotrexate? If it was you should have been told about the risks. Pharmacists used to go as white as a sheet when I handed the prescription over, and I got fed up with listening to the dire warnings when I collected it. I half expected them to be wearing a hazmat suit. It is apparently the most dangerous drug that a doctor can prescribe, and yes, it can wreck your kidneys, hence regular blood tests. It wasn't invented for arthritis, it is a chemotherapy drug used to treat cancer. A side effect of the drug is what helps with arthritis.
I stopped taking it, it was only later at my next check up that the x-rays showed that my body had somehow repaired all of joints and the arthritis was gone. I told the consultant that it was probably due to my strict diet regime.
What's that he asked, all wide eyed.
Pizza's and microwave meals, and no fruit or veg I told him. lol
Remember the old saying: "It is not in the interests of the pharmaceutical industry to cure anyone of anything."
Snookums33OPJoburg, Gauteng South Africa5,760 posts
Bristol4You: Methotrexate? If it was you should have been told about the risks. Pharmacists used to go as white as a sheet when I handed the prescription over, and I got fed up with listening to the dire warnings when I collected it. I half expected them to be wearing a hazmat suit. It is apparently the most dangerous drug that a doctor can prescribe, and yes, it can wreck your kidneys, hence regular blood tests. It wasn't invented for arthritis, it is a chemotherapy drug used to treat cancer. A side effect of the drug is what helps with arthritis.
I stopped taking it, it was only later at my next check up that the x-rays showed that my body had somehow repaired all of joints and the arthritis was gone. I told the consultant that it was probably due to my strict diet regime.
What's that he asked, all wide eyed.
Pizza's and microwave meals, and no fruit or veg I told him. lol
Remember the old saying: "It is not in the interests of the pharmaceutical industry to cure anyone of anything."
We leave that up to ur local pharmacist, mine is excellent, and do try to help, really !
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I have just been to the clinic as I have a sore on my elbow. I must have bumped it somewhere and it's not healing readily.
She took one look and gave me strong antibiotics.
What's happening to the medical profession ?