Generating Criminals? (47)
CossackCat: Understanding criminal behavior and making excuses for it and tolerating it, are three different things.
If they can't do the time, they shouldn't do the crime.
I have as much empathy for criminals as they do for their victims and the social structure they are defying.
Do you see me making excuses, or tolerating criminal behaviour. If so my message seems to have gone wrong somewhere.If they can't do the time, they shouldn't do the crime.
I have as much empathy for criminals as they do for their victims and the social structure they are defying.
Why in your mind, do they rehabilitate criminals? Do anyone believe that their personalities will change by spending a couple of years in jail, and spending their time by becoming lawyers, Accountants, etc while incarcerated? How many companies employ rehabilitated criminals? Not many at all, in any in some places!
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smiley963: Do you see me making excuses, or tolerating criminal behaviour. If so my message seems to have gone wrong somewhere.
Why in your mind, do they rehabilitate criminals? Do anyone believe that their personalities will change by spending a couple of years in jail, and spending their time by becoming lawyers, Accountants, etc while incarcerated? How many companies employ rehabilitated criminals? Not many at all, in any in some places!
Toy appear to dismiss criminal reform offhand. Surely it isbetter to try to reform thesepeople, especially the ones who are abused into crimial behaviour.Why in your mind, do they rehabilitate criminals? Do anyone believe that their personalities will change by spending a couple of years in jail, and spending their time by becoming lawyers, Accountants, etc while incarcerated? How many companies employ rehabilitated criminals? Not many at all, in any in some places!
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aries1234: Toy appear to dismiss criminal reform offhand. Surely it isbetter to try to reform thesepeople, especially the ones who are abused into crimial behaviour.
Ultimately, it is only about 20%, who are rehabilitated, the rest go back to crime shortly after leaving prison. A Note must be made that not all criminals were abused, and in them the crime is just in their natures.------ This thread is Archived ------
aries1234: Toy appear to dismiss criminal reform offhand. Surely it isbetter to try to reform thesepeople, especially the ones who are abused into crimial behaviour.
I agree with you as we keep prisoners locked up with not much to do in some prisons making anything worse.Some people do change and many more would I believe with more specialist help in prisons. Works out cheaper in long run as offenders will be less likely to return to prison.
People here are given help to find work, and some employers take ex prisoners on, as long as they still receive help
Of course there will always be some that return to prison loads of times, no help for them it's wasted.
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smiley963: Ultimately, it is only about 20%, who are rehabilitated, the rest go back to crime shortly after leaving prison. A Note must be made that not all criminals were abused, and in them the crime is just in their natures.
I'm of the opinion that 20% is a good claw back rate, and these are human beings.JMO------ This thread is Archived ------
Soft people do better at school and become the authorities nobody respects. It's balls of steel with idle hands breeding faster than you are.
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ChesneyChrist: Soft people do better at school and become the authorities nobody respects. It's balls of steel with idle hands breeding faster than you are.
What do you know any way!!! Not much at all, and it's becoming more evident by the day!!!!------ This thread is Archived ------
I knew of a man from my home state who had been staying in Transitional Housing after serving time in prison and still did some things that he should've not done.I spoke to his intake worker and learned that this particular man's mother hadn't been a very good mother or role model.Also he hadn't had a male role model throughout his young life either so he had two strikes against him right there.
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Bearwoman: I knew of a man from my home state who had been staying in Transitional Housing after serving time in prison and still did some things that he should've not done.I spoke to his intake worker and learned that this particular man's mother hadn't been a very good mother or role model.Also he hadn't had a male role model throughout his young life either so he had two strikes against him right there.
Makes you wonder why people like that should have children. Maybe a psychology test must be passed when you see the Dr the first time, and then the baby rather aborted, if the mother does not want him/her, or carried to term, and adopted my loving parents, incapable of having kids. I know it's a bit harsh, but some people should not have kids. But a life stays a life, and should not be killed, by any means.
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smiley963: Makes you wonder why people like that should have children. Maybe a psychology test must be passed when you see the Dr the first time, and then the baby rather aborted, if the mother does not want him/her, or carried to term, and adopted my loving parents, incapable of having kids.
I know it's a bit harsh, but some people should not have kids. But a life stays a life, and should not be killed, by any means.
Makes me wonder myself why children have to pay the price of either of the grownups issues.Sad society it's become.):I know it's a bit harsh, but some people should not have kids. But a life stays a life, and should not be killed, by any means.
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Bearwoman: Makes me wonder myself why children have to pay the price of either of the grownups issues.Sad society it's become.):
That's just it. The parents make the children, in someone's image, not necessarily themselves. These kids become emotionally unstable, where the next step is crime. I have a lot of empathy for these kids.------ This thread is Archived ------
smiley963: That's just it. The parents make the children, in someone's image, not necessarily themselves. These kids become emotionally unstable, where the next step is crime. I have a lot of empathy for these kids.
So do I.Thankfully for the man's adult children they didn't follow in their father's shoes to to speak and turned out to become responsible men.
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Bearwoman: So do I.Thankfully for the man's adult children they didn't follow in their father's shoes to to speak and turned out to become responsible men.
That is a very positive outcome. I wish there were lots more.------ This thread is Archived ------
Certainly, but predisposition to crime is primarily genetic.
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charles_nz: Certainly, but predisposition to crime is primarily genetic.
That's what we just said. Read the above?------ This thread is Archived ------
smiley963: That is a very positive outcome. I wish there were lots more.
Like most things They are out there somewhere but they can be hard to find sometimes.------ This thread is Archived ------
Bearwoman: Like most things They are out there somewhere but they can be hard to find sometimes.
Well think of it this way: If there is one, the chances are very good that there are more! People with lots of inner strength will not be swayed by anyone or thing, and thus stay on the straight and narrow, never mind how difficult, as outside influences can make a saint curse.------ This thread is Archived ------
there are many criminals who start again after their time in jail, or even in jail they're having contacts in the outside world who run their bussiness, killing people etc.
The jails must be sober, no electricity, except for the light on the ceiling, no phones or computers, tv, radio etc.
No visitors either, no tabacco, no drugs, no alcohol, make it a living hell for the criminals. Maybe then they learn to behave themselves.
The jails must be sober, no electricity, except for the light on the ceiling, no phones or computers, tv, radio etc.
No visitors either, no tabacco, no drugs, no alcohol, make it a living hell for the criminals. Maybe then they learn to behave themselves.
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PeKaatje: there are many criminals who start again after their time in jail, or even in jail they're having contacts in the outside world who run their bussiness, killing people etc.
The jails must be sober, no electricity, except for the light on the ceiling, no phones or computers, tv, radio etc.
No visitors either, no tabacco, no drugs, no alcohol, make it a living hell for the criminals. Maybe then they learn to behave themselves.
I feel you must differentiate as to the type of crime. That is too harsh for a first time offender, like stealing a car, which harmed no-one, or white collar crime.The jails must be sober, no electricity, except for the light on the ceiling, no phones or computers, tv, radio etc.
No visitors either, no tabacco, no drugs, no alcohol, make it a living hell for the criminals. Maybe then they learn to behave themselves.
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If they can't do the time, they shouldn't do the crime.
I have as much empathy for criminals as they do for their victims and the social structure they are defying.