Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished? ( Archived) (90)

Mar 18, 2019 2:58 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
CossackCat
CossackCatCossackCatSomewhere, Maryland USA492 Threads 45 Polls 9,137 Posts
newinsouth: I've heard everything now. A Go Fund Me Page raising $25,000 for someone that assaulted a person. This is only the beginning of more crap in this world.
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
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Mar 18, 2019 3:05 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
newinsouth: I've heard everything now. A Go Fund Me Page raising $25,000 for someone that assaulted a person. This is only the beginning of more crap in this world.
ABC News (although not in the artificial I posted) also added that excess funds would be used to purchase more eggs

you clearly miss the point
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Mar 18, 2019 3:13 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
Hi there, Said Mahmoud.

I am someone who is concerned about the Islamic takeover of the West (just as I am sure you would be concerned if Christians were trying to take over Muslim lands). But I am not anti-Muslim. I respect anyone who believes in God and acknowledges that there is something bigger out there, than they are. And, like you, I abhor the Godlessness and decadence of the modern West.

But this post above is really well out of order. I do not know what country you are originally from, but I see you live now in Germany. I am puzzled as to why you think it is appropriate for you to demand the resignation of a politician on the other side of the world? You are entitled to have an opinion about what he said, but his place in the Australian Senate is a matter for the electors of Australia.
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Mar 18, 2019 3:15 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
robplum: ABC News (although not in the artificial I posted) also added that excess funds would be used to purchase more eggs
Ah yes, it's one big joke, isn't it? Am I overly cynical to think the media would not be finding it so funny if it was a left-winger who had been attacked?
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Mar 18, 2019 3:17 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
BerrySmoothie
BerrySmoothieBerrySmoothieMy Retreat, Auckland New Zealand3 Threads 4,733 Posts
Thank you Hex and Rob for posting a full account of the Anning incident. We may not be friends Hex, but I do appreciate what you did here. Anning is indeed a disgrace.
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Mar 18, 2019 3:42 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
charles_nz: Hi there, Said Mahmoud.

I am someone who is concerned about the Islamic takeover of the West (just as I am sure you would be concerned if Christians were trying to take over Muslim lands). But I am not anti-Muslim. I respect anyone who believes in God and acknowledges that there is something bigger out there, than they are. And, like you, I abhor the Godlessness and decadence of the modern West.

But this post above is really well out of order. I do not know what country you are originally from, but I see you live now in Germany. I am puzzled as to why you think it is appropriate for you to demand the resignation of a politician on the other side of the world? You are entitled to have an opinion about what he said, but his place in the Australian Senate is a matter for the electors of Australia.
Hi Mr charles_nz
you don't need to give your mind to reprogram it and redirect it to the directions you don't want to go through
it's seems all of you have no clue about the western military bases around and inside the whole meadleast and africa
in fact not your countries is the taken over it is our countries
and thats done befor decades and still existed
any president is just a keeper for your countries intrestes
I know you do are not an anti- muslim but you are just afraid of muslims
don't tell me the 17 year old boy is wiser than you
about my existence in Germany and talking about things so far from my location and intrest , its just joking and no more or less
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Mar 18, 2019 3:55 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
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Mar 18, 2019 4:00 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
saidmahmoud:
it's seems all of you have no clue about the western military bases around and inside the whole meadleast and africa
in fact not your countries is the taken over it is our countries
This comment proves my point. You are indeed concerned about your Muslim countries being taken over. Perhaps, then, you should be able to understand why so many people in Europe are concerned about their countries being taken over?

For many centuries, the Christian and Islamic worlds had co-existed peacefully. I freely admit that this changed, in large part due to the actions of Western governments, most notably in backing (indeed, guaranteeing) the creation of the Republic of Israel, in Palestine. A dreadful mistake, in my view, and I am sure in your's too.

I am also aware of the way in which foreign governments (such as the USA, Britain, and China) are trying to influence events in the Middle East. Sometimes by direct invasion, such as in Afghanistan and Iraq. Again, I do not agree with this. We should be minding our own business.

Ultimately, however, we have to ask ourselves what is the most successful form of influence? It is not backing a government or even invading and installing a different government. Ultimately the most successful form of influence is immigration. And, overwhelmingly, the Muslim countries are not having to deal with large numbers of Western (or Chinese, or Indian) immigrants. But Europe is under threat from an enormous wave of immigration (some legal, some illegal) from Muslim countries. This has already changed the countries of Europe, and threatens to do so to a much greater extent in the future. And given the huge disparities in birth rates, it seems inevitable that sooner or later, Europe will become Muslim-majority. And that is a legitimate area of concern for Europeans. Just as I am sure that most Muslims would be concerned if there was a realistic possibility of Saudi Arabia, or Morocco, or Iraq becoming Christian-majority.
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Mar 18, 2019 4:01 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Why is Anning another right wing lunatic that indirectly supports skin-heads?

dunno
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Mar 18, 2019 4:08 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
saidmahmoud
saidmahmoudsaidmahmoudHamburg Mitte, Hamburg Germany3 Threads 1 Polls 1,593 Posts
charles_nz: This comment proves my point. You are indeed concerned about your Muslim countries being taken over. Perhaps, then, you should be able to understand why so many people in Europe are concerned about their countries being taken over?

For many centuries, the Christian and Islamic worlds had co-existed peacefully. I freely admit that this changed, in large part due to the actions of Western governments, most notably in backing (indeed, guaranteeing) the creation of the Republic of Israel, in Palestine. A dreadful mistake, in my view, and I am sure in your's too.

I am also aware of the way in which foreign governments (such as the USA, Britain, and China) are trying to influence events in the Middle East. Sometimes by direct invasion, such as in Afghanistan and Iraq. Again, I do not agree with this. We should be minding our own business.

Ultimately, however, we have to ask ourselves what is the most successful form of influence? It is not backing a government or even invading and installing a different government. Ultimately the most successful form of influence is immigration. And, overwhelmingly, the Muslim countries are not having to deal with large numbers of Western (or Chinese, or Indian) immigrants. But Europe is under threat from an enormous wave of immigration (some legal, some illegal) from Muslim countries. This has already changed the countries of Europe, and threatens to do so to a much greater extent in the future. And given the huge disparities in birth rates, it seems inevitable that sooner or later, Europe will become Muslim-majority. And that is a legitimate area of concern for Europeans. Just as I am sure that most Muslims would be concerned if there was a realistic possibility of Saudi Arabia, or Morocco, or Iraq becoming Christian-majority.
get your troops out of there and everything will be fixed itself
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Mar 18, 2019 4:10 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
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Mar 18, 2019 4:13 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
saidmahmoud: get your troops out of there and everything will be fixed itself
I agree. Western soldiers should not be fighting in Iraq or anywhere else in the Muslim world.



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Mar 18, 2019 4:30 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
charles_nz: You're on record as supporting the North Vietnamese invasion of South Vietnam, so that certainly makes you a communist sympathiser.
That's a blatant lie
I have never supported the North Vietnamese invasion of the south however i have most certainly objected to the lying catholic's armies that were deployed against non violent Mahayana Buddhist teaching practiced throughout Vietnam, don't bother talking crap to me. I've already noted your gross dishonesty. As you are aware I do not support your grossly dishonest religious belief's and you'd be right in saying that I don't but sonny jim, i served in New Zealand army against communism in Vietnam that's likely be a lot more than you have ever done for the people of NZ.
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Mar 18, 2019 4:39 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
robplum: That's a blatant lie
I have never supported the North Vietnamese invasion of the south however i have most certainly objected to the lying catholic's armies that were deployed against non violent Mahayana Buddhist teaching practiced throughout Vietnam, don't bother talking crap to me. I've already noted your gross dishonesty. As you are aware I do not support your grossly dishonest religious belief's and you'd be right in saying that I don't but sonny jim, i served in New Zealand army against communism in Vietnam that's likely be a lot more than you have ever done for the people of NZ.
You're also on record as a supporter of Maduro, but we'll let that slide.
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Mar 18, 2019 5:47 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
charles_nz: You're also on record as a supporter of Maduro, but we'll let that slide.
I do support Maduro the democratically elected president of Venezuela of course do, I support democracy you don't seem to mind living in a democratic country,
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Mar 18, 2019 7:03 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
robplum: I do support Maduro the democratically elected president of Venezuela of course do, I support democracy you don't seem to mind living in a democratic country,
I live in a parliamentary democracy, but I do not support my Prime Minister!
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Mar 18, 2019 7:51 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
That doesn't surprise me, we just had her addressing NZ parliament here on ABC TV
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Mar 18, 2019 8:03 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
charles_nz
charles_nzcharles_nzChristchurch, Canterbury New Zealand1,386 Posts
robplum: That doesn't surprise me, we just had her addressing NZ parliament here on ABC TV
She's an extreme Leftist.
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Mar 18, 2019 8:10 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
BerrySmoothie
BerrySmoothieBerrySmoothieMy Retreat, Auckland New Zealand3 Threads 4,733 Posts
robplum: That doesn't surprise me, we just had her addressing NZ parliament here on ABC TV
Rob,

I am in support of our PM Jacinda Adern.

No surprises there.

I think she is doing a fine job leading our country, particularly in wake of the massacre.

Regarding immediate gun law reform: Winston Peters(the deputy PM), the leader of the opposition, Simon Bridges and our PM have all expressed strongly in favour of immediate changes to gun laws, to at least bring them into line with Australia’s gun laws. I fully agree with this move.
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Mar 18, 2019 8:25 PM CST Should Senator Fraser Anning be Punished?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
I don't think gun laws in Australia did as much as the politicians would have everyone believe. Yes they removed guns from a lot city folks, but at the same time, China was flooding Australia with AK47's...

There are shootings every single day in Australia, nothing new about that...taking the guns off honest sensible people has left the countries security left wanting...we live next to the biggest Muslim country in the world, that used to be Buddhist...used lot of belief's before the current over the top threat i observe. PNG today AU tomorrow bound up in time...
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