What is Woke? ( Archived) (249)

Nov 30, 2022 6:27 PM CST What is Woke?
Stan_147
Stan_147Stan_147Roseburg, Oregon USA1 Threads 1,018 Posts
Are we considering equal opportunity or equal outcome?

Are we letting feelings about a subject to distort facts?

Are we shutting down dialog/debate because we disagree with one side or the other?

Are we attempting to punish those who think differently, because their opinions are not our own?

Must we all dance to the same drummer?

IDK
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Nov 30, 2022 7:47 PM CST What is Woke?
raphael119
raphael119raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA19 Threads 3 Polls 5,181 Posts
So far the only thing I see in anti woke is violent consternation over the fate of some statue covered in pigeon droppings in a park no one goes to.
Maybe looking at groups associated with woke and anti woke would provide more insight.
For instance, two groups that graced Mr.Trump's dinner after his recent running for President announcement
One group was composed anti Semites and holocaust deniers. The other was a white power terrorist orgnization.
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Nov 30, 2022 7:58 PM CST What is Woke?
Mercedes_00
Mercedes_00Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia18 Threads 20,498 Posts
Woke is an egg yolk
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Nov 30, 2022 8:03 PM CST What is Woke?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
galrads: My apologies to the OP for going off topic. .....

Ready on the Left Jac, Ready on the Right gal .... all ready on the firing line.
Again, I still don't know what you're talking about, or how it defines 'woke'.

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Nov 30, 2022 8:21 PM CST What is Woke?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
jac_the_gripper: Again, I still don't know what you're talking about, or how it defines 'woke'.

I am not sure what you are saying but let's forget "woke" for a minute..... now, regarding student loans: if i take out a loan, a student loan, any type of loan, it is obligatory for me to pay it off.

Our president brings up the first and one-time-only student loan forgiveness whenever he wants 26 million votes. That is not equitable for anyone else, adds to our 31 trillion dollar debt and forces those who paid their student loan(s) or never wanted or needed a student loan to pay for someone else's education indebtedness by taxation.

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Nov 30, 2022 9:52 PM CST What is Woke?
Iyyov
IyyovIyyovPwetty Blue Planet, Washington USA3 Threads 253 Posts
If I was going to be part of a new "movement," I'd make sure it was well-defined and unambiguous. Woke? Really? It sounds like you are grumpy because the neighbors have been remodeling their house next to you, beginning at 3am in the morning. It makes the group sound unremittingly grumpy. Maybe we should introduce them to the Caffeine movement, and then let them speak a little later in the day after their heads have cleared.

Many people seem to have unlimited wants, and are willing to point a finger at somebody else and say, "He/she took that from me/us, let's take it back?" But, that is just a way to justify themselves.

But, maybe we should start a group of Statue's Rights Activists! Protect those statues who are unable to protect themselves. Most are elderly! And, as one person pointed out, they are crapped on daily, with no remorse!

Yes, to me, the Woke, are just grumpy people needing a wee-bit more coffee early in the AM.

sleep crying stuck sleep


Shalom,
Iyyov
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Nov 30, 2022 10:39 PM CST What is Woke?
raphael119
raphael119raphael119washington d.c., District of Columbia USA19 Threads 3 Polls 5,181 Posts
Woke is rooted, it seems to me ,on behaviors that go back to the 16 century and colonization. The recognition of the evils we all inherit in past and current invading, exploiting and destroying other cultures
Is well recognized today and has been since WW2. Empire building, invading, enslaving, and destroying is as old as mankind. Look at Putin today.
Anti woke Then, is just an admission of ignorance or moral depravity in most people.
Woke,then, is just being aware of others situations and respecting them. People not possessing empathy and awareness are not woke.
The ideas of compensation are a whole different issue.
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Nov 30, 2022 10:42 PM CST What is Woke?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
galrads: I am not sure what you are saying but let's forget "woke" for a minute..... now, regarding student loans: if i take out a loan, a student loan, any type of loan, it is obligatory for me to pay it off.

Our president brings up the first and one-time-only student loan forgiveness whenever he wants 26 million votes. That is not equitable for anyone else, adds to our 31 trillion dollar debt and forces those who paid their student loan(s) or never wanted or needed a student loan to pay for someone else's education indebtedness by taxation.

The thread is 'What is woke?'

How do student loans, or student loan forgivenness that has been shut down, define 'woke'?
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Nov 30, 2022 10:49 PM CST What is Woke?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
raphael119: Woke is rooted, it seems to me ,on behaviors that go back to the 16 century and colonization. The recognition of the evils we all inherit in past and current invading, exploiting and destroying other cultures
Is well recognized today and has been since WW2. Empire building, invading, enslaving, and destroying is as old as mankind. Look at Putin today.
Anti woke Then, is just an admission of ignorance or moral depravity in most people.
Woke,then, is just being aware of others situations and respecting them. People not possessing empathy and awareness are not woke.
The ideas of compensation are a whole different issue.
Or is anti-woke simply a case of not wanting to look at it because it's too painful and challenging?
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Dec 1, 2022 12:37 AM CST What is Woke?
Ten_of_cupss
Ten_of_cupssTen_of_cupssShumen, Bulgaria2 Threads 1,375 Posts
bodleing2: Where did I suggest that I didnt want to hear peoples opinions.
As usual, attacking the person, it really is your regular mo. I see you do it all the time.
Go back and read your response to what I originally said and come back with something that you really put a thought in to.
Passive aggressive just like every "woke".
Feeling offended by just about anything and on behalf of just about everyone.
That's why in BLM the most vicious protestors are usually white.
Woke and offended as hell.
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Dec 1, 2022 12:42 AM CST What is Woke?
Ten_of_cupss
Ten_of_cupssTen_of_cupssShumen, Bulgaria2 Threads 1,375 Posts
According to woke logic and feeling of offence, all first World countries should be canceled and flattened to the ground. For their painful and shameful history.
And tell Pedro he's racially offending people with his over the top tanning. scold
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Dec 1, 2022 12:51 AM CST What is Woke?
Stan_147
Stan_147Stan_147Roseburg, Oregon USA1 Threads 1,018 Posts
Sounds a bit like self loathing, guilt tripping, half caf soy latte drinking…

Oh wait. That’s Portland. My bad.laugh
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Dec 1, 2022 2:51 AM CST What is Woke?
Tiger_Moth
Tiger_MothTiger_MothYeovil, Somerset, England UK23 Threads 2,833 Posts



The late Queen's lady-in-waiting Lady Susan Hussey has apologised and resigned after she repeatedly asked a black British charity boss where she was "really" from.


Is this a classic example?
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Dec 1, 2022 3:24 AM CST What is Woke?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
jac_the_gripper: So you don't actually pay for slackers' post-graduate education at all.

You pay taxes and the government uses tax revenue to pay for many, many different things.

How does this define 'woke'?
We all suffer though because of what they could have been. They've taken people's ability to do anything in the real world and replaced with a secular religious education, but neopuritan piety doesn't bring home the bacon.

And where does it end? The lockdown generation has a million times the ammunition. When kids today come to power I hope they nail the neopuritans to the wall
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Dec 1, 2022 4:09 AM CST What is Woke?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Ten_of_cupss: That's why in BLM the most vicious protestors are usually white..
Do you have a source for that?
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Dec 1, 2022 4:10 AM CST What is Woke?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
jac_the_gripper: The thread is 'What is woke?'

How do student loans, or student loan forgivenness that has been shut down, define 'woke'?
I tried and failed to explain how cancelling student debt benefits woke people. You seem to not like talking about woke or ignore the evil reality of woke. Here are a few more astute discussions on how cancelling debt for the woke is a bad idea:











Etc

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Dec 1, 2022 4:18 AM CST What is Woke?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
Stan_147: Sounds a bit like self loathing, guilt tripping, half caf soy latte drinking…

Oh wait. That’s Portland. My bad.
That's not really logical, is it?

Those who change their ideals and behaviours, recognise and accept the need for change.

It's guilt and negative feelings towards the self which cause people to shy away from facing their destructive, or damaging behaviours.
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Dec 1, 2022 4:19 AM CST What is Woke?
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 5,363 Posts
ChesneyChrist: We all suffer though because of what they could have been. They've taken people's ability to do anything in the real world and replaced with a secular religious education, but neopuritan piety doesn't bring home the bacon.

And where does it end? The lockdown generation has a million times the ammunition. When kids today come to power I hope they nail the neopuritans to the wall
Who is 'they'?
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Dec 1, 2022 4:22 AM CST What is Woke?
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
jac_the_gripper: That's not really logical, is it?

Those who change their ideals and behaviours, recognise and accept the need for change.

It's guilt and negative feelings towards the self which cause people to shy away from facing their destructive, or damaging behaviours.
That is exactly what the woke and potus Biden are doing to this country. Only congress of the usa has the power of the purse, not some dicktater like brandon.

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Dec 1, 2022 4:26 AM CST What is Woke?
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And another reason is the aging population. Liberalism isn't going to work without an actual baby boom which you can't get without being more conservative. What we experience now is an aging population (conservative), a poorer population (conservative), and a less white population (conservative). There's no way of escaping the reality.
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