God vs. Science (902)
jlw45Moyers, Oklahoma USA66 Threads 1 Polls 15,566 PostsConrad73: in human cells, the nucleus contains 99.5% of the DNA. half from the mother and half from the dad...its hard to detirmine wich one contributed what , within the dna strand, because it changes with each generation....however, each cell, outside its nucleus, thousands of tiny energy producing components called mitochondria Sumer,Mesopotamia!!Only part of the answer though,doesn't explain Neandertal,nor Cro-Magnon,nor the early Settlers of the Americas at the End of the Iceage.(ca.12'000 BC).
12000 b.c.? ....hmmm....that date is debatable also....i geuss it would depend on what flawed dating device was used...carbon dating ,for an example, has dated the living tissue of a pinguan as being 1000 sum odd years old...
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jlw45: what i mean by the evadence around us is there are hundreds and hundreds of life forms that cant exist without one or the other....that evolution says one lived without the other for a million years, when it would have been imposible...just a fauge example, but, that was my meaning of evidence...as for evidence of god....the guy from longview texas put it pretty good....i dont subscribe to his theology BUT, thats nether here nor there....the theory of millions and millions of years is badly flawed to say the least...there are knew evidence's comming up all the time of a young earth that, without the bed time story of long long long ago, could only point to a creator.....
I'm sorry but thats just anecdotal, not proof. Science gives you real, sustainable valid proof. It can make a spoon, make a human now, even make single body parts, all things that become real. Because of science we can get to the Dio's moon and are now beond our own planetary system.
with only this god, we are stuck here, worshipping something that is not provebale, in any way, let alone science (so far), unless you accept my own sentiments on the matter and I'm not pushing them. I just offer them as scientifically proveable parallels of what most spiritualist call god.
Its more than anecdotal
A mechanic knows cars inside and out. I could tell you squat about them, but I do know this, the reason he knows all about them, is because he learned the subjects and processes that are particular to that discipline.
To me it is a mind boggling series or cogs and gears and now computer chips and other things all arranged in such a way that it works ...Science is this process, just because we havent learned the necessary sciences involved doesn't mean that cars are some godish freak of nature. Lack of understand is nothing more than that. It doesn't mean you should fill that lack or that gap in your understanding with an unproveable beings or anecdotal stories. He's just a mechanic who knows things you don't.
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kidatheart: Does anyone have any evidence of the existance of god?
Are you really asking for ANY evidence? Or if I give you some, will you just say it does not count?
Let us see...
Kidatheart, if we were standing in the middle of a town square and I asked you if the tallest visible building had an architect, you would say yes, right?
If I asked you if you knew his name or if you had met him then you would probably say no (unless I was extremely unlucky and picked a building your uncle designed
), right?Then I would ask you what is your evidence that the building actually had an architect, and you would say the building itself is the evidence. That makes sense doesn't it?
Now if I pointed at a tree, and I told you I believed that God was the architect of that tree, you would probably ask me to prove it. I would then use the same evidence (evidence you will probably now poo poo) that you did with the building.
What is so strange is how much more complex the tree is than the building, and yet we content it no one to design it.
There Kidatheart...
I gave you what should qualify under "any" evidence.
It's not pretty or irrefutable, but it's evidence none the less.
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jlw45: what i mean by the evadence around us is there are hundreds and hundreds of life forms that cant exist without one or the other....that evolution says one lived without the other for a million years, when it would have been imposible...just a fauge example, but, that was my meaning of evidence...as for evidence of god....the guy from longview texas put it pretty good....i dont subscribe to his theology BUT, thats nether here nor there....the theory of millions and millions of years is badly flawed to say the least...there are knew evidence's comming up all the time of a young earth that, without the bed time story of long long long ago, could only point to a creator.....
It only points to a creator because that's what you "believe" or want to "believe".
Just because science can't explain everything doesn't mean it doesn't have merit and/or evidence. Maybe in a few years or hundreds down the road, they will be able to, maybe not.
I have yet to see a single shred of evidence of god existing.
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MikeHD: Are you really asking for ANY evidence? Or if I give you some, will you just say it does not count?Let us see...Kidatheart, if we were standing in the middle of a town square and I asked you if the tallest visible building had an architect, you would say yes, right?
If I asked you if you knew his name or if you had met him then you would probably say no (unless I was extremely unlucky and picked a building your uncle designed ), right?Then I would ask you what is your evidence that the building actually had an architect, and you would say the building itself is the evidence. That makes sense doesn't it?Now if I pointed at a tree, and I told you I believed that God was the architect of that tree, you would probably ask me to prove it. I would then use the same evidence (evidence you will probably now poo poo) that you did with the building.
What is so strange is how much more complex the tree is than the building, and yet we content it no one to design it.There Kidatheart...
I gave you what should qualify under "any" evidence.
It's not pretty or irrefutable, but it's evidence none the less.
If I asked you if you knew his name or if you had met him then you would probably say no (unless I was extremely unlucky and picked a building your uncle designed ), right?Then I would ask you what is your evidence that the building actually had an architect, and you would say the building itself is the evidence. That makes sense doesn't it?Now if I pointed at a tree, and I told you I believed that God was the architect of that tree, you would probably ask me to prove it. I would then use the same evidence (evidence you will probably now poo poo) that you did with the building.
What is so strange is how much more complex the tree is than the building, and yet we content it no one to design it.There Kidatheart...
I gave you what should qualify under "any" evidence.
It's not pretty or irrefutable, but it's evidence none the less.
Nope, sorry, that's BS not evidence.
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kidatheart: Nope, sorry, that's BS not evidence.
Told ya.
Not after evidence.
You can't find evidence for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman.
You don't really want it.
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BnaturAl: I'm sorry but thats just anecdotal, not proof. Science gives you real, sustainable valid proof. It can make a spoon, make a human now, even make single body parts, all things that become real. Because of science we can get to the Dio's moon and are now beond our own planetary system.
with only this god, we are stuck here, worshipping something that is not provebale, in any way, let alone science (so far), unless you accept my own sentiments on the matter and I'm not pushing them. I just offer them as scientifically proveable parallels of what most spiritualist call god.
Its more than anecdotal
A mechanic knows cars inside and out. I could tell you squat about them, but I do know this, the reason he knows all about them, is because he learned the subjects and processes that are particular to that discipline.
To me it is a mind boggling series or cogs and gears and now computer chips and other things all arranged in such a way that it works ...Science is this process, just because we havent learned the necessary sciences involved doesn't mean that cars are some godish freak of nature. Lack of understand is nothing more than that. It doesn't mean you should fill that lack or that gap in your understanding with an unproveable beings or anecdotal stories. He's just a mechanic who knows things you don't.
to compair a machanic and science is'nt at all an anecdote, is it?....with only this god, we are stuck here, worshipping something that is not provebale, in any way, let alone science (so far), unless you accept my own sentiments on the matter and I'm not pushing them. I just offer them as scientifically proveable parallels of what most spiritualist call god.
Its more than anecdotal
A mechanic knows cars inside and out. I could tell you squat about them, but I do know this, the reason he knows all about them, is because he learned the subjects and processes that are particular to that discipline.
To me it is a mind boggling series or cogs and gears and now computer chips and other things all arranged in such a way that it works ...Science is this process, just because we havent learned the necessary sciences involved doesn't mean that cars are some godish freak of nature. Lack of understand is nothing more than that. It doesn't mean you should fill that lack or that gap in your understanding with an unproveable beings or anecdotal stories. He's just a mechanic who knows things you don't.
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Yep,the Earth was created 4004 BC 9.30 AM along with all the Fossils.
Anyone suggesting any thing different is a Lunatic,and will be treated at the next Revival Meeting!
Oh yeah,btw,the Earth is FLAT as a Dinnerplate!!!!
Anyone suggesting any thing different is a Lunatic,and will be treated at the next Revival Meeting!
Oh yeah,btw,the Earth is FLAT as a Dinnerplate!!!!
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That's not evidence to me either..
When I think who/what created that tree..
I think.. a SEED.
But anyway..
When I think who/what created that tree..
I think.. a SEED.
But anyway..
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MikeHD: Told ya.
Not after evidence.
You can't find evidence for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. You don't really want it.
Not after evidence.
You can't find evidence for the same reason a thief can't find a policeman. You don't really want it.
Can you prove that god created that tree, or do you simply believe that god created that tree?
You'll have to do far better than that. Even an Amway salesman is more convincing.
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MikeHD: Are you really asking for ANY evidence? Or if I give you some, will you just say it does not count?Let us see...Kidatheart, if we were standing in the middle of a town square and I asked you if the tallest visible building had an architect, you would say yes, right?
If I asked you if you knew his name or if you had met him then you would probably say no (unless I was extremely unlucky and picked a building your uncle designed ), right?Then I would ask you what is your evidence that the building actually had an architect, and you would say the building itself is the evidence. That makes sense doesn't it?Now if I pointed at a tree, and I told you I believed that God was the architect of that tree, you would probably ask me to prove it. I would then use the same evidence (evidence you will probably now poo poo) that you did with the building.
What is so strange is how much more complex the tree is than the building, and yet we content it no one to design it.There Kidatheart...
I gave you what should qualify under "any" evidence.
It's not pretty or irrefutable, but it's evidence none the less.
If I asked you if you knew his name or if you had met him then you would probably say no (unless I was extremely unlucky and picked a building your uncle designed ), right?Then I would ask you what is your evidence that the building actually had an architect, and you would say the building itself is the evidence. That makes sense doesn't it?Now if I pointed at a tree, and I told you I believed that God was the architect of that tree, you would probably ask me to prove it. I would then use the same evidence (evidence you will probably now poo poo) that you did with the building.
What is so strange is how much more complex the tree is than the building, and yet we content it no one to design it.There Kidatheart...
I gave you what should qualify under "any" evidence.
It's not pretty or irrefutable, but it's evidence none the less.
Mike youre still doing the coke can thing
it is scientifically, biologically explainable design Mike, just as life is. I know you dont understand it, but you will when you learn more about physics, science, biology... and I'm not talking a masters degree here, just a basic first year understanding.what you're proposing is the bean under the cup trick ... its anecdotal at best bud
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jlw45: it indeed is circular reasoning..... but, what has'nt been so far?
One of the things I love most about life is this circular, paradoxal nature. Is God all powerful, or do we have freewill? It's both! How can it be both? I don't know! Is freedom important, or are rules and order? Both! How can you have both? Apparently we haven't figured that out yet either. What do people need, religion or science? We need both! An atheist may disagree, but she or he is just as religious as anyone else. Whether they realize or admit it, they have created an elaborate religious system of self-worship.
I don't believe in atheists!
I say that tongue in cheek, but seriously. What "proof" can you actually offer me that You exist? Your body? I would say take a closer look. That is nothing but a conglomeration of cells, is that actually You. Well yeah, the cells all hang out and work together, and here I am. Really? So is our body, or our cells who we are?
C'mon science, take a closer look! Who are you? What proof is their that you exist? Oh really science? That's pretty smart of you! If you look a little closer, all of those cells are made up of something? Hmmm, you don't say. Molecules, and the molecules have atoms, and the atoms have these proton, neutron, and electron thingys, and even those teensy weensy thingys have smaller parts not unlike infinitesimally small specks of dust with absolutely nothing in between? So everything we call matter is at it's smallest measure mostly nothing? Isn't that like saying you don't exist?
Or, is it more like saying that at the smallest measurable level we are teensy specks of space dust with a tiny energy charge? Sort of like from the dust God formed a man, and breathed life into him? Don't you think that the descriptions of God and Energy are essentially the same? Cannot be created or destroyed, always is, always was, always will be, and all that jazz.
Still, in spite of all the disecting of parts we cannot find anywhere in the physical world the part of you that You experience as being You. You cannot prove to me that you exist, and yet you do. Weird huh?
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i geuss the bottom line is this.....a believer believes....''in the beginning, God.....''.........and the none believer believes.....''in the beginning, DIRT..............'' ......this is an age old argument that surelly wont be finalized by all of our massive brain power and ''meme's''....so, im sure it will continue.....oh, while im thinking about it....the hole ''meme'' thing.....does that mean that we will someday evolve into gods, ourself?......hmmmmm......i wonder if thats just more self worth that some people could be looking for?
......this is an age old argument that surelly wont be finalized by all of our massive brain power and ''meme's''....so, im sure it will continue.....oh, while im thinking about it....the hole ''meme'' thing.....does that mean that we will someday evolve into gods, ourself?......hmmmmm......i wonder if thats just more self worth that some people could be looking for?------ This thread is Archived ------
BnaturAl: He's just a mechanic who knows things you don't.
So is HE.
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diogenes: So is HE .
yep....yes HE does, big time
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I dunno...but this strawberry wine is sure evidence of something....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: I dunno...but this strawberry wine is sure evidence of something....
yeah .. a hangover! (but YUM!)
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jlw45: i geuss the bottom line is this.....a believer believes....''in the beginning, God.....''.........and the none believer believes.....''in the beginning, DIRT..............'' ......this is an age old argument that surelly wont be finalized by all of our massive brain power and ''meme's''....so, im sure it will continue.....oh, while im thinking about it....the hole ''meme'' thing.....does that mean that we will someday evolve into gods, ourself?......hmmmmm......i wonder if thats just more self worth that some people could be looking for?
Why does it HAVE to be one or the other. Maybe neither is right. Why do you feel that one has to believe either of those "theories" even though one has merit in some fact?
Whose to say we aren't all gods.
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I have always been facinated by the many prophecies in the Bible.
The book of Daniel to be read with the book of Revelations.
I have had several specific answers to prayer, that at times have blown me away.
The book of Daniel to be read with the book of Revelations.
I have had several specific answers to prayer, that at times have blown me away.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: I dunno...but this strawberry wine is sure evidence of something....
its evidence that you and i both like wine...red wine....although, i dont know about strawberry, but i'll try anything once .....hey, wheres the cheese?------ This thread is Archived ------
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