Obama's Plan to Socialize America (141)
zeelanderer: You could have saved yourself so much trouble by just writing that one line. You are right. The US is heading down that SAME path of socialism as our neighbors to the North.... sad but true.
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And the ... a. Health ... b. Education ...
(I probably won't mention happiness or the fact that all though there are many more guns per head of populations ad a small fraction of Canadians kill each other with them ... no I won't mention that)
of your partners to the North is so much worse than yours.
Oh those poor socialist dupes to the North.
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ttom500: Nice try HUGs...but not a word on point to the OP. If I was Obiee Dobie.....I would tell you to stay to thread topic. I got more to post on
Obama's plan to socialize America. After you address the thread.
Obama's plan to socialize America. After you address the thread.
Sure it addressed the post...iare the only ones you're allowed to talk about in this thread the Republicans????
I showed how your accusations of socialism were just as true for the Republicans as what you're accusing the democrats of...
I showed that you're so called criminal ties...exist a lot closer and are a lot worse when it comes to McCain than what you're accusing Obama of....
I showed...McCain does not have the best interest of America at heart but the interests of big business instead...Just like you're accusing Obama of....
I showed how McCains so called defense of businesses making over 250,0000.00 having a tax increase is a farce because it only encompases 2% of the entire business population that it will effect....with the remaining 98% not being touched by the tax at all.....
I showed the real reasons for McCains defense of increased taxes for those making over 250,000.00 is solely big business...like the oil companies he is tied to....
I showed McCains attempt to suppress Democrat voting rights through a court challenge that he lost....which is just as bad...if not worse than voter fraud....
I showed that McCain doesn't have the interests of immigrants at heart because they are not true Americans in his eyes...unless it's just the Muslim and Arab people who aren't true Americans in his eyes...
I showed how McCain hast the interest of 2% of America at heart and that's big business and how Obama has the other 98% of America in his best interest!!!!!!
So tell me what's here that didn't address the OP??????
I countered your arguments...that's what a debate is all about...two sides not just one...Again another opinion just shoved aside because the Republicans can do no wrong.....
And you talk about Obama supporters not being objective or open minded...I think it's the other way around personally!!!!!!!!!!
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Obama's latest political stunt has saddened many american's he used the Andy Griffith and Happy Day's cast to promote his self. When did we start letting uneducated mental health patients run for a government offices?
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Hugz_n_Kissez: Sure it addressed the post...iare the only ones you're allowed to talk about in this thread the Republicans????I showed how your accusations of socialism were just as true for the Republicans as what you're accusing the democrats of...
I showed that you're so called criminal ties...exist a lot closer and are a lot worse when it comes to McCain than what you're accusing Obama of....
I showed...McCain does not have the best interest of America at heart but the interests of big business instead...Just like you're accusing Obama of....I showed how McCains so called defense of businesses making over 250,0000.00 having a tax increase is a farce because it only encompases 2% of the entire business population that it will effect....with the remaining 98% not being touched by the tax at all.....
I showed the real reasons for McCains defense of increased taxes for those making over 250,000.00 is solely big business...like the oil companies he is tied to....I showed McCains attempt to suppress Democrat voting rights through a court challenge that he lost....which is just as bad...if not worse than voter fraud....I showed that McCain doesn't have the interests of immigrants at heart because they are not true Americans in his eyes...unless it's just the Muslim and Arab people who aren't true Americans in his eyes...I showed how McCain hast the interest of 2% of America at heart and that's big business and how Obama has the other 98% of America in his best interest!!!!!!
So tell me what's here that didn't address the OP??????
I countered your arguments...that's what a debate is all about...two sides not just one...Again another opinion just shoved aside because the Republicans can do no wrong..... And you talk about Obama supporters not being objective or open minded...I think it's the other way around personally!!!!!!!!!!
I showed that you're so called criminal ties...exist a lot closer and are a lot worse when it comes to McCain than what you're accusing Obama of....
I showed...McCain does not have the best interest of America at heart but the interests of big business instead...Just like you're accusing Obama of....I showed how McCains so called defense of businesses making over 250,0000.00 having a tax increase is a farce because it only encompases 2% of the entire business population that it will effect....with the remaining 98% not being touched by the tax at all.....
I showed the real reasons for McCains defense of increased taxes for those making over 250,000.00 is solely big business...like the oil companies he is tied to....I showed McCains attempt to suppress Democrat voting rights through a court challenge that he lost....which is just as bad...if not worse than voter fraud....I showed that McCain doesn't have the interests of immigrants at heart because they are not true Americans in his eyes...unless it's just the Muslim and Arab people who aren't true Americans in his eyes...I showed how McCain hast the interest of 2% of America at heart and that's big business and how Obama has the other 98% of America in his best interest!!!!!!
So tell me what's here that didn't address the OP??????
I countered your arguments...that's what a debate is all about...two sides not just one...Again another opinion just shoved aside because the Republicans can do no wrong..... And you talk about Obama supporters not being objective or open minded...I think it's the other way around personally!!!!!!!!!!
You should feel honoured to be allowed to debate at all Ladies!! Where is your gratitude?
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Let me get this straight ... in the USA it is socialism if you look after your old, sick and needy with government funding.
But it IS NOT socialism if you look after your bankers, speculators and big business with government handouts.
You must live in another universe.
But it IS NOT socialism if you look after your bankers, speculators and big business with government handouts.
You must live in another universe.
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ttom500:
Now Obama is using GW Bush as his 'antagonist'. Ras. Everything is GWB fault. The war in Iraq. The economy. The international relationships of the country. All GWB fault. But it is the same basic game plan used by socialist and communist since time began.
Now Obama is using GW Bush as his 'antagonist'. Ras. Everything is GWB fault. The war in Iraq. The economy. The international relationships of the country. All GWB fault. But it is the same basic game plan used by socialist and communist since time began.
Show us some proof of this please. (not wiki)
Where and when has Obama claimed this????
Bush and Clintons are both to blame for this mess.
also answer the previous question that you conveniently overlooked.
"now as far as Government control over our housing institutions,
Do you seriously believe that they don't need to be controlled much better?? "
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StressFree: It's cool ttom. We see the world differently. No biggie. I'm not for 100 percent socialism...that's for sure. I just think a little can help from the ground up. It's what I have chosen to buy. I know you have a different view and I respect it. Like I said, we see things different and we've been over the issues you presented in the OP. What I see through smoke screens is not the same as to what you see.
Let's just hope America and the world takes a turn for the better who ever is in office. Either way,it won't affect my baseball career next year The national team will be taking a trip to the States next spring to play some minor league and independent league teams. Free trip for me and more baseball
Mixing Poison in?hmm?Let's just hope America and the world takes a turn for the better who ever is in office. Either way,it won't affect my baseball career next year The national team will be taking a trip to the States next spring to play some minor league and independent league teams. Free trip for me and more baseball
But you all will learn!
Don't say after wards,No that is not what I wanted.
The Germans did.
The Russians did.
To some extent even the Swedes did.
Nearly ruined themselves with their Socialist "Experiment" some time back.
Well,it is you all Soup,hope it is tasty.
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Anyways ttom, Obama's plan is to not socialize America. His plan is far from that. He never said that he wants to socialize America. Just spread the wealth a little. I don't recall him making plans to provide free health care, education, mandatory 5 week vacations and so forth. He wants to help America by implementing some policies that a lot of Americans are in favor of....and the election will prove that and pave the way for a new and better America...
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Fallingman: You should feel honoured to be allowed to debate at all Ladies!! Where is your gratitude?
Well I am honoured to be able to present my humble opinion guys and my gratitude is located somewhere on my left bum cheek!!!!!!!!!
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Conrad73: Mixing Poison in?hmm?
But you all will learn!
Don't say after wards,No that is not what I wanted.
The Germans did.
The Russians did.
To some extent even the Swedes did.
Nearly ruined themselves with their Socialist "Experiment" some time back.
Well,it is you all Soup,hope it is tasty.
But you all will learn!
Don't say after wards,No that is not what I wanted.
The Germans did.
The Russians did.
To some extent even the Swedes did.
Nearly ruined themselves with their Socialist "Experiment" some time back.
Well,it is you all Soup,hope it is tasty.
So is Sweden headed towards fascism? How about Denmark?
America has a balance of power to prevent these silly scares that you keep presenting....The experiment is not intended to convert America into a Marxist/socialist society. Yes, the United States has been built on the desire to prosper and competition for riches is a virtue, but the problem is that winning sometimes accompanies corruption and a meltdown.
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Christians support religous tolerance, free individual giving to an individual in need, and a prayerful support of thier government and its leaders....in good times and bad.
Yeah sure they do for themselves..and Obama is a Christian too..so I guess he would have the same values you're talking about then!!!!!!!
Yeah sure they do for themselves..and Obama is a Christian too..so I guess he would have the same values you're talking about then!!!!!!!
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StressFree: Anyways ttom, Obama's plan is to not socialize America. His plan is far from that. He never said that he wants to socialize America. Just spread the wealth a little. I don't recall him making plans to provide free health care, education, mandatory 5 week vacations and so forth. He wants to help America by implementing some policies that a lot of Americans are in favor of....and the election will prove that and pave the way for a new and better America...
Ain't a Bankrobber doing the exact thing,spreading the Wealth a little?What makes a Politician different from that Thug?
It is not theirs to take,it is not theirs to give.
THIEVES both of them!
Actually the Politician is worse,he first makes Laws to tie up the Victim before he robs them.
He's a FREAKING gutless Coward
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Conrad73: Ain't a Bankrobber doing the exact thing,spreading the Wealth a little?
What makes a Politician different from that Thug?
It is not theirs to take,it is not theirs to give.
THIEVES both of them!
Actually the Politician is worse,he first makes Laws to tie up the Victim before he robs them.
He's a FREAKING gutless Coward
What makes a Politician different from that Thug?
It is not theirs to take,it is not theirs to give.
THIEVES both of them!
Actually the Politician is worse,he first makes Laws to tie up the Victim before he robs them.
He's a FREAKING gutless Coward
Problem-reaction-solution scenario? Sound clearly reptilian to me....Shake the R-Complex in your head Conrad.
Besides, the people elect politicians to create what the people want....sounds good on paper at least
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First health care position he and Biden had was National Health Care, Stress. I will source it for you if you want.
He flipped from it.
Of course he is not going to SAY IT, Stress. It costs him the election if he says....I am a socialist and am going to change the country to socialism.
Stress.....the Ayers education books that Obama was promoting in the Chicago......100% reengineering of the American education system to a socialist model. In 2002 Ayer said....on a radio show....I am a anacrist and a communist.....he was giving Obama funding at the time for the his Chicago education program.
If Obama was not a socialist in 2002, he would not have been distributing Ayer's socialist agenda for changing the Chicago education system. That was only 6 year ago.....and Obama was a in his late 30s not 8 years old when Ayers did his bombings.
He flipped from it.
Of course he is not going to SAY IT, Stress. It costs him the election if he says....I am a socialist and am going to change the country to socialism.
Stress.....the Ayers education books that Obama was promoting in the Chicago......100% reengineering of the American education system to a socialist model. In 2002 Ayer said....on a radio show....I am a anacrist and a communist.....he was giving Obama funding at the time for the his Chicago education program.
If Obama was not a socialist in 2002, he would not have been distributing Ayer's socialist agenda for changing the Chicago education system. That was only 6 year ago.....and Obama was a in his late 30s not 8 years old when Ayers did his bombings.
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trish123: I think your fear of socialism is simply a backlash from Macarthyism and the domination of the mainstream media by the right.
If you would prefer your economy to remain in the hands of a kleptocracy then, ho hum - who am I too comment, just a person who sees more promise for the common people when somebody finally gets the balls to wrest control of the economy from the greedy bastar*s who hold the reins at the moment...............
If you would prefer your economy to remain in the hands of a kleptocracy then, ho hum - who am I too comment, just a person who sees more promise for the common people when somebody finally gets the balls to wrest control of the economy from the greedy bastar*s who hold the reins at the moment...............
Does the "Queen" share her wealth??
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ttom500: First health care position he and Biden had was National Health Care, Stress. I will source it for you if you want.
He flipped from it.
Of course he is not going to SAY IT, Stress. It costs him the election if he says....I am a socialist and am going to change the country to socialism.
Stress.....the Ayers education books that Obama was promoting in the Chicago......100% reengineering of the American education system to a socialist model. In 2002 Ayer said....on a radio show....I am a anacrist and a communist.....he was giving Obama funding at the time for the his Chicago education program.
If Obama was not a socialist in 2002, he would not have been distributing Ayer's socialist agenda for changing the Chicago education system. That was only 6 year ago.....and Obama was a in his late 30s not 8 years old when Ayers did his bombings.
He flipped from it.
Of course he is not going to SAY IT, Stress. It costs him the election if he says....I am a socialist and am going to change the country to socialism.
Stress.....the Ayers education books that Obama was promoting in the Chicago......100% reengineering of the American education system to a socialist model. In 2002 Ayer said....on a radio show....I am a anacrist and a communist.....he was giving Obama funding at the time for the his Chicago education program.
If Obama was not a socialist in 2002, he would not have been distributing Ayer's socialist agenda for changing the Chicago education system. That was only 6 year ago.....and Obama was a in his late 30s not 8 years old when Ayers did his bombings.
I'll just say that the education system needs an overhaul. Not in the way of Obama's vision exactly, but something much more progressive and deeper than just math and reading. Obama did not promote Ayer's agenda. That's nonsense ttom. I'll dig into this deeper and try and understand what you are seeing. I'll be back later, I need to work out at the gym, and the government is not telling me I should work out
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HJFinAZ: Does the "Queen" share her wealth?? Yes, I am serious as I do not know..
Yes, she sat on my face and I enjoyed her moist wealth....
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Fear,, fear,, fear......
sorry. I don't follow that game book.
here are some good reasons to fear Government and our own Military.
facts given to back it up also so we can do our own research.
sorry. I don't follow that game book.
here are some good reasons to fear Government and our own Military.
facts given to back it up also so we can do our own research.
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StressFree: Yes, she sat on my face and I enjoyed her moist wealth....
Well Amigo, you can have the Queen. Now if Diana were still with us..
What about Fergy???
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As for fear of change. There is going to be change with this election....a shift in the political scene of Washington. I fully recognize that. Unlike many that are saying a one change is a McSame.
I just don't like the idea of socialism....something the I fought the Cold War over.
You can rationalize it, Stress with pretties....and with socialist saying of modern wording......and it can be smoked.....meaning not directly stated as the political purpose of the Obama camp. But some are looking thru the smoke to see what is there. The OP is what I am seeing behind the smoke, Stress.
Tell us that dots are not well connected in the OP, Stress........go head am listening
It's cool ttom. We see the world differently. No biggie. I'm not for 100 percent socialism...that's for sure. I just think a little can help from the ground up. It's what I have chosen to buy. I know you have a different view and I respect it. Like I said, we see things different and we've been over the issues you presented in the OP. What I see through smoke screens is not the same as to what you see.
Let's just hope America and the world takes a turn for the better who ever is in office. Either way,it won't affect my baseball career next year