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krimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 PostsAnd avoid evangelical "historical" or "scientific" sites all together. 
They tend to be very unreliable.
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krimsa: I have posted the evidence that IT IS AN UNDOCUMENTED STATEMENT. You are screwed.
My name is Mikehd, and I have been posting here off and on about 18 months.
I am about to do what I have never been forced to do in those 18 months. Not by some of my mightiest opponents. I am going to admit…
I was wrong.
Krimsa, I acknowledge you to have been the better in this thread. It is very nice to have met such a worthy adversary. Your relentlessness and determination not to let me weasel out of this debate has been great. And by not allowing me to turn the tables on you, I would like to express to you my respect and admiration. I painted myself into a hole and you slammed the door shut. Bravo to you.
Let me explain to what I am admitting. I have used the Patrick Henry quote much like many overzealous Christians over the years, but instead of having the words authenticated, I just took what I heard from everyone else. Now after you challenged me, I fully intended to back up what I believed to an accurate statement. To my dismay, I could not find any source to establish the credibility for this quote.
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ” is not confirmed from any reliable source.
I was wrong.
I apologize to you Krimsa for calling you a liar. It was in my being (as you put it) “a very naive person not very well versed in historical matters.” that I have made this error.
Please except my apology.
And no Conrad, I did not copy and paste this apology from another source.
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MikeHD: My name is Mikehd, and I have been posting here off and on about 18 months.
I am about to do what I have never been forced to do in those 18 months. Not by some of my mightiest opponents. I am going to admit…
I was wrong.
Krimsa, I acknowledge you to have been the better in this thread. It is very nice to have met such a worthy adversary. Your relentlessness and determination not to let me weasel out of this debate has been great. And by not allowing me to turn the tables on you, I would like to express to you my respect and admiration. I painted myself into a hole and you slammed the door shut. Bravo to you.
Let me explain to what I am admitting. I have used the Patrick Henry quote much like many overzealous Christians over the years, but instead of having the words authenticated, I just took what I heard from everyone else. Now after you challenged me, I fully intended to back up what I believed to an accurate statement. To my dismay, I could not find any source to establish the credibility for this quote.
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ” is not confirmed from any reliable source.
I was wrong.
I apologize to you Krimsa for calling you a liar. It was in my being (as you put it) “a very naive person not very well versed in historical matters.” that I have made this error.
Please except my apology.
And no Conrad, I did not copy and paste this apology from another source.
You better not,or it would be Insincere!I am about to do what I have never been forced to do in those 18 months. Not by some of my mightiest opponents. I am going to admit…
I was wrong.
Krimsa, I acknowledge you to have been the better in this thread. It is very nice to have met such a worthy adversary. Your relentlessness and determination not to let me weasel out of this debate has been great. And by not allowing me to turn the tables on you, I would like to express to you my respect and admiration. I painted myself into a hole and you slammed the door shut. Bravo to you.
Let me explain to what I am admitting. I have used the Patrick Henry quote much like many overzealous Christians over the years, but instead of having the words authenticated, I just took what I heard from everyone else. Now after you challenged me, I fully intended to back up what I believed to an accurate statement. To my dismay, I could not find any source to establish the credibility for this quote.
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ” is not confirmed from any reliable source.
I was wrong.
I apologize to you Krimsa for calling you a liar. It was in my being (as you put it) “a very naive person not very well versed in historical matters.” that I have made this error.
Please except my apology.
And no Conrad, I did not copy and paste this apology from another source.
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I think I read somewhere, no sources mentioned, that to apologise to a woman is either the birth of a man or the death of a boy...............(actually I just made that up - but I reckon you're 'dead' anyway once you admit a woman is right!)
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MikeHD: My name is Mikehd, and I have been posting here off and on about 18 months.
I am about to do what I have never been forced to do in those 18 months. Not by some of my mightiest opponents. I am going to admit…
I was wrong.
Krimsa, I acknowledge you to have been the better in this thread. It is very nice to have met such a worthy adversary. Your relentlessness and determination not to let me weasel out of this debate has been great. And by not allowing me to turn the tables on you, I would like to express to you my respect and admiration. I painted myself into a hole and you slammed the door shut. Bravo to you.
Let me explain to what I am admitting. I have used the Patrick Henry quote much like many overzealous Christians over the years, but instead of having the words authenticated, I just took what I heard from everyone else. Now after you challenged me, I fully intended to back up what I believed to an accurate statement. To my dismay, I could not find any source to establish the credibility for this quote.
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ” is not confirmed from any reliable source.
I was wrong.
I apologize to you Krimsa for calling you a liar. It was in my being (as you put it) “a very naive person not very well versed in historical matters.” that I have made this error.
Please except my apology.
And no Conrad, I did not copy and paste this apology from another source.
I am about to do what I have never been forced to do in those 18 months. Not by some of my mightiest opponents. I am going to admit…
I was wrong.
Krimsa, I acknowledge you to have been the better in this thread. It is very nice to have met such a worthy adversary. Your relentlessness and determination not to let me weasel out of this debate has been great. And by not allowing me to turn the tables on you, I would like to express to you my respect and admiration. I painted myself into a hole and you slammed the door shut. Bravo to you.
Let me explain to what I am admitting. I have used the Patrick Henry quote much like many overzealous Christians over the years, but instead of having the words authenticated, I just took what I heard from everyone else. Now after you challenged me, I fully intended to back up what I believed to an accurate statement. To my dismay, I could not find any source to establish the credibility for this quote.
“It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ” is not confirmed from any reliable source.
I was wrong.
I apologize to you Krimsa for calling you a liar. It was in my being (as you put it) “a very naive person not very well versed in historical matters.” that I have made this error.
Please except my apology.
And no Conrad, I did not copy and paste this apology from another source.
There is no need for such prostration. Just forget about it. The only reason I knew that quote was unsubstantiated was I read a biography about Patrick Henry. I don’t think you did it deliberately because that quote is plastered all over the internet on Christian websites. Let’s just drop it. I accept your apology and that was very brave of you to admit.
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krimsa: There is no need for such prostration. Just forget about it. The only reason I knew that quote was unsubstantiated was I read a biography about Patrick Henry. I don’t think you did it deliberately because that quote is plastered all over the internet on Christian websites. Let’s just drop it. I accept your apology and that was very brave of you to admit.
Thank you very much.
I will make every effort not to repeat that mistake again.
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Now's your chance - ask her for a date!
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I haven't read all 7 pages of comments, but what's wrong with a moment of silence or prayer at home or at church/temple/mosque/etc. ? Why does it have to be in school?
Have a moment of silence during homeroom or during break or in between classes, if you need it. If a child cannot function for 45 minutes without a prayer, there's something wrong.
Usually the religious right that push this kind of stuff are not the majority, but a vocal minority.
Have a moment of silence during homeroom or during break or in between classes, if you need it. If a child cannot function for 45 minutes without a prayer, there's something wrong.
Usually the religious right that push this kind of stuff are not the majority, but a vocal minority.
Tater: Just one more thing on the war against Christians..
From my state....CHICAGO (AP) -- A federal judge has ruled unconstitutional a law passed by the Illinois legislature requiring the state's schools to require a moment of prayer or reflection on the day's activities.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled Wednesday the law crosses the line separating church and state under the Constitution.
He says in his ruling that the statute is a "subtle effort" to force students at "impressionable ages" to think about religion.
The ruling came in a suit designed to erase the Illinois Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act. It was filed by talk show host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist, and his daughter, Dawn, a student at Buffalo Grove High School in suburban Chicago.
(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Just one more example of how a small minority over rides the majority...
This outlaws a moment of silence, it is not mandated that people pray, only to give a moment of silence for the students who choose to pray(example if a child at the school dies in a car wreck or if someone is sick )oh and that's another word they outlawed in the schools here... is the word "prayer" students now, can't say the word because it may offend other impressionable children....
I have many many more examples
From my state....CHICAGO (AP) -- A federal judge has ruled unconstitutional a law passed by the Illinois legislature requiring the state's schools to require a moment of prayer or reflection on the day's activities.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled Wednesday the law crosses the line separating church and state under the Constitution.
He says in his ruling that the statute is a "subtle effort" to force students at "impressionable ages" to think about religion.
The ruling came in a suit designed to erase the Illinois Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act. It was filed by talk show host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist, and his daughter, Dawn, a student at Buffalo Grove High School in suburban Chicago.
(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Just one more example of how a small minority over rides the majority...
This outlaws a moment of silence, it is not mandated that people pray, only to give a moment of silence for the students who choose to pray(example if a child at the school dies in a car wreck or if someone is sick )oh and that's another word they outlawed in the schools here... is the word "prayer" students now, can't say the word because it may offend other impressionable children....
I have many many more examples
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27 pages... omg... oops
little late to be posting on the topic
little late to be posting on the topic
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never too late
they go to 51 pages
the tail demands to be seen AND heard
they go to 51 pages
the tail demands to be seen AND heard
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rusty_knight: Did you read my list? Did you spot the 'odd one out' (near the end!)
hehe i had to look but
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Scubadiva: I haven't read all 7 pages of comments, but what's wrong with a moment of silence or prayer at home or at church/temple/mosque/etc. ? Why does it have to be in school?
Have a moment of silence during homeroom or during break or in between classes, if you need it. If a child cannot function for 45 minutes without a prayer, there's something wrong.
Usually the religious right that push this kind of stuff are not the majority, but a vocal minority.
Have a moment of silence during homeroom or during break or in between classes, if you need it. If a child cannot function for 45 minutes without a prayer, there's something wrong.
Usually the religious right that push this kind of stuff are not the majority, but a vocal minority.
thanks i agree
the vocal minority
just like the preachers that get press are the bad ones
like all of life the news loves to report negativity
and maybe its because we feed on it like rabid dogs
and never get our fill
but yes this is what people should be doing
enforcing what they wish to participate in and teach their kids
at home, of course
anyway the bible says raise a child in the way he is to go and he will return to it --it doesnt say indoctrinate and it doesnt say anyone but the parents are to do the raising
stillness is good for anyone to learn, regardless of what they believe i think
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No, your comments are welcome. I agree with you that prayer needs to be left out of the public school environment. The problem I see is that school is for learning and that time is too precious to be wasted. If we allow for a "moment of silence" for a Christian prayer, then the Jewish kids and the Muslim kids and the Wiccan kids, and the Satanist kids and the Atheist kids will be annoyed. Where does it end? If there were no other place to pray besides a school class room, that would be one thing but you have churches, mosques, home, Sunday School, theology school, any number of other places where prayer is appropriate.
It’s annoying and unreasonable. You are NOT being deprived of anything, you simply WANT everything.
It’s annoying and unreasonable. You are NOT being deprived of anything, you simply WANT everything.
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krimsa: No, your comments are welcome. I agree with you that prayer needs to be left out of the public school environment. The problem I see is that school is for learning and that time is too precious to be wasted. If we allow for a "moment of silence" for a Christian prayer, then the Jewish kids and the Muslim kids and the Wiccan kids, and the Satanist kids and the Atheist kids will be annoyed. Where does it end? If there were no other place to pray besides a school class room, that would be one thing but you have churches, mosques, home, Sunday School, theology school, any number of other places where prayer is appropriate.
It’s annoying and unreasonable. You are NOT being deprived of anything, you simply WANT everything.
It’s annoying and unreasonable. You are NOT being deprived of anything, you simply WANT everything.
Perhaps it would be better to give students a minute of meditation. To meditate on whatever they want or say a silent prayer. It's kinda like slowing down for a moment and taking a pause to take a deep breath before you jump into doing some type of a project.
Don't most of us take a moment to plan our day or are we all just running willy nilly helter skelter from one place to another with no set schedule or plan of action? Well, perhaps some people run willy nilly everyday or occassionally.
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LILLYLADY: Perhaps it would be better to give students a minute of meditation. To meditate on whatever they want or say a silent prayer. It's kinda like slowing down for a moment and taking a pause to take a deep breath before you jump into doing some type of a project.
Don't most of us take a moment to plan our day or are we all just running willy nilly helter skelter from one place to another with no set schedule or plan of action? Well, perhaps some people run willy nilly everyday or occassionally.
Don't most of us take a moment to plan our day or are we all just running willy nilly helter skelter from one place to another with no set schedule or plan of action? Well, perhaps some people run willy nilly everyday or occassionally.
When I was in school, they had what was referred to as "homeroom" and it was your classroom before first period. Here we had a morning bulletin and the homeroom instructor told us anything we needed to know and we could ask questions. It was like an orientation period each morning. That would be the equivalent of what you just described. There was no "meditation" or prayer. No one was singled out. That is where the line gets very blurry and it is not fair to the atheist and agnostic students.
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krimsa: When I was in school, they had what was referred to as "homeroom" and it was your classroom before first period. Here we had a morning bulletin and the homeroom instructor told us anything we needed to know and we could ask questions. It was like an orientation period each morning. That would be the equivalent of what you just described. There was no "meditation" or prayer. No one was singled out. That is where the line gets very blurry and it is not fair to the atheist and agnostic students.
Yes, we had homeroom too first thing in the morning. At the high school level, there was no prayer time or meditation time. This was high school from 1968-71, the time of Vietnam protests, marches, hippies and Woodstock. The time I was referring to probably more into the 1950-60s.
I don't see anything wrong with silent meditation or whether someone wants to cross themselves silently or mouth a silent "amen." Why can't an atheist or agnostic have a moment of silence to ponder about their personal life goals tht day? There should be nothing blurry or not fair to all students when a minute of silence is given equally for all? And I see nothing at all in making a minute of mandatory silence for all students in the morning to gather their thoughts together for the day.
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LILLYLADY: Yes, we had homeroom too first thing in the morning. At the high school level, there was no prayer time or meditation time. This was high school from 1968-71, the time of Vietnam protests, marches, hippies and Woodstock. The time I was referring to probably more into the 1950-60s.
I don't see anything wrong with silent meditation or whether someone wants to cross themselves silently or mouth a silent "amen." Why can't an atheist or agnostic have a moment of silence to ponder about their personal life goals tht day? There should be nothing blurry or not fair to all students when a minute of silence is given equally for all? And I see nothing at all in making a minute of mandatory silence for all students in the morning to gather their thoughts together for the day.
I don't see anything wrong with silent meditation or whether someone wants to cross themselves silently or mouth a silent "amen." Why can't an atheist or agnostic have a moment of silence to ponder about their personal life goals tht day? There should be nothing blurry or not fair to all students when a minute of silence is given equally for all? And I see nothing at all in making a minute of mandatory silence for all students in the morning to gather their thoughts together for the day.
I agree......... every kid should have a few minutes to contemplate what evil punishment their parent(s) should suffer for the contents of their lunch box!
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Maybe kids can pray before school...if they choose. Why strangle over a gnat and swollow camels. Is prayer at school going to make or break a person when they do or do not live the faith the rest of the day!
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Where is the commandment "Thou shalt pray at school." Stop fighting and live peaceable with one another as God commanded.
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Why is it so important to the "god squad" to control the education system? If their theories and beliefs hold up then they will stand on their own merits without having to indoctrinate little children from the cradle. If not....not!
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