War against Christian (471)
Freedom for one is often at the expense of others.
And it is to this point that we can track the decay of morality and Western society as a whole.
And it is to this point that we can track the decay of morality and Western society as a whole.
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It’s called protecting peoples freedoms , stop playing the victim just because your not allowed to infringe on other peoples rights 
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Tater: Just one more thing on the war against Christians..
From my state....CHICAGO (AP) -- A federal judge has ruled unconstitutional a law passed by the Illinois legislature requiring the state's schools to require a moment of prayer or reflection on the day's activities.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled Wednesday the law crosses the line separating church and state under the Constitution.
He says in his ruling that the statute is a "subtle effort" to force students at "impressionable ages" to think about religion.
The ruling came in a suit designed to erase the Illinois Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act. It was filed by talk show host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist, and his daughter, Dawn, a student at Buffalo Grove High School in suburban Chicago.
(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Just one more example of how a small minority over rides the majority...
This outlaws a moment of silence, it is not mandated that people pray, only to give a moment of silence for the students who choose to pray(example if a child at the school dies in a car wreck or if someone is sick )oh and that's another word they outlawed in the schools here... is the word "prayer" students now, can't say the word because it may offend other impressionable children....
I have many many more examples
From my state....CHICAGO (AP) -- A federal judge has ruled unconstitutional a law passed by the Illinois legislature requiring the state's schools to require a moment of prayer or reflection on the day's activities.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled Wednesday the law crosses the line separating church and state under the Constitution.
He says in his ruling that the statute is a "subtle effort" to force students at "impressionable ages" to think about religion.
The ruling came in a suit designed to erase the Illinois Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act. It was filed by talk show host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist, and his daughter, Dawn, a student at Buffalo Grove High School in suburban Chicago.
(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Just one more example of how a small minority over rides the majority...
This outlaws a moment of silence, it is not mandated that people pray, only to give a moment of silence for the students who choose to pray(example if a child at the school dies in a car wreck or if someone is sick )oh and that's another word they outlawed in the schools here... is the word "prayer" students now, can't say the word because it may offend other impressionable children....
I have many many more examples
You have eventually gone over the edge.
You have PCNR madness....were are the guys in white coats?
Just to upset you where I work all gather each morning say a prayer, the thought and intenetions for the day.... does not hurt anyone in anyway most are still half asleep.
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BarrenPneuma:
And it is to this point that we can track the decay of morality and Western society as a whole.
Can you give examples ???And it is to this point that we can track the decay of morality and Western society as a whole.
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Tater: Just one more thing on the war against Christians..
From my state....CHICAGO (AP) -- A federal judge has ruled unconstitutional a law passed by the Illinois legislature requiring the state's schools to require a moment of prayer or reflection on the day's activities.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled Wednesday the law crosses the line separating church and state under the Constitution.
He says in his ruling that the statute is a "subtle effort" to force students at "impressionable ages" to think about religion.
The ruling came in a suit designed to erase the Illinois Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act. It was filed by talk show host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist, and his daughter, Dawn, a student at Buffalo Grove High School in suburban Chicago.
(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Just one more example of how a small minority over rides the majority...
This outlaws a moment of silence, it is not mandated that people pray, only to give a moment of silence for the students who choose to pray(example if a child at the school dies in a car wreck or if someone is sick )oh and that's another word they outlawed in the schools here... is the word "prayer" students now, can't say the word because it may offend other impressionable children....
I have many many more examples
From my state....CHICAGO (AP) -- A federal judge has ruled unconstitutional a law passed by the Illinois legislature requiring the state's schools to require a moment of prayer or reflection on the day's activities.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled Wednesday the law crosses the line separating church and state under the Constitution.
He says in his ruling that the statute is a "subtle effort" to force students at "impressionable ages" to think about religion.
The ruling came in a suit designed to erase the Illinois Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act. It was filed by talk show host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist, and his daughter, Dawn, a student at Buffalo Grove High School in suburban Chicago.
(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Just one more example of how a small minority over rides the majority...
This outlaws a moment of silence, it is not mandated that people pray, only to give a moment of silence for the students who choose to pray(example if a child at the school dies in a car wreck or if someone is sick )oh and that's another word they outlawed in the schools here... is the word "prayer" students now, can't say the word because it may offend other impressionable children....
I have many many more examples
Tater, it is unconstitutional to require this in a public school. If a child wishes to take this time to reflect or pray, they can do it at home, it should not be mandated as part of one's day at school. Freedom, Tater, is freedom. And that doesn't mean it's a war on Christians. I take such moments every morning as well, and my sons go to Catholic school.
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crotalus_p: It’s called protecting peoples freedoms , stop playing the victim just because your not allowed to infringe on other peoples rights
what is a moment of silence infringing on, the children can think about homework or anything else they want or think about the child in which they had the moment of silence for, they don't say aloud, anything....
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It's called seperation of Church and State and it's a protection listed in the first amendment of the Constitution. I happen to agree with ruling.
Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church...
Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church...
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Tater: what is a moment of silence infringing on, the children can think about homework or anything else they want or think about the child in which they had the moment of silence for, they don't say aloud, anything....
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Tater: it is just a few moments of silence out of respect for the person
Tater, I don't believe it belongs in public schools. Sorry, but this is definitely and issue you and I don't agree on...and I'm one who is all for people taking quiet moments for reflection. Just not in a public school, courtroom, or anywhere else owned by the state, as a mandated policy. However, I'll also say that I think it's just as wrong to make it against the law for children to do this on their own time out on the playground.
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FunLuver: It's called seperation of Church and State and it's a protection listed in the first amendment of the Constitution. I happen to agree with ruling.
Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church...
Don't pray in my school, and I won't think in your church...
The idea of "separation of church and state" is not spelled out in the Declaration of Independence. Nor the Constitution. In fact it's never spelled out. It is implied by the First Amendment to the Constitution (part of the Bill of Rights, established in 1791):
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
zee
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Tater: it is just a few moments of silence out of respect for the person
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China confiscates Bibles from American Christians
August 18, 2008 - 1:05 ET
A group of American Christians who had more than 300 Bibles confiscated by Chinese officials when they arrived in China is refusing to leave the airport until they get the books back, their leader said Monday.
Pat Klein said he and three others from his Vision Beyond Borders group spent Sunday night at the airport in the southwestern city of Kunming after customs officers took the Bibles from their checked luggage.
"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, so why is there a problem for us to bring Bibles?" said Klein, whose Sheridan, Wyoming-based group distributes Bibles and Christian teaching materials around the world.
Here is another example and I'm just going to put up 2 or three more then will debate them...
August 18, 2008 - 1:05 ET
A group of American Christians who had more than 300 Bibles confiscated by Chinese officials when they arrived in China is refusing to leave the airport until they get the books back, their leader said Monday.
Pat Klein said he and three others from his Vision Beyond Borders group spent Sunday night at the airport in the southwestern city of Kunming after customs officers took the Bibles from their checked luggage.
"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, so why is there a problem for us to bring Bibles?" said Klein, whose Sheridan, Wyoming-based group distributes Bibles and Christian teaching materials around the world.
Here is another example and I'm just going to put up 2 or three more then will debate them...
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crotalus_p: It's forced prayer time which disrespects everyone else’s rights , if some one wants to take a minute out of their school day to pray all they have to do is either go to a religious school or obtain permission from their guardian to step out side the premises and do it
if you ask kids if they would like a minute of silence, the overwehlming answer would be yes... it gets them out of doing any schooling for even one minute. I am not for it nor am I against it... ya just gotta be fair to both sides.
zee
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zeelanderer: The idea of "separation of church and state" is not spelled out in the Declaration of Independence. Nor the Constitution. In fact it's never spelled out. It is implied by the First Amendment to the Constitution (part of the Bill of Rights, established in 1791):
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
zee
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
zee
Quote from Treaty of Tripoli, 1796
"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense
founded on the Christian Religion, as it has in itself no character of
enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen, and as
the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility
against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no
pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an
interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."
Source: ARTICLE XI of the Treaty of Tripoli, 1796, signed in the last part of Washington's presidency, ratified under John Adams. Written in Algiers and signed at Tripoli on Nov. 4, 1796, and at Algiers on Jan. 3, 1797, by Hassan Bashaw, dey or bey of Algiers, and Joel Barlow (1754-1812), U.S. Consul to Algiers. The original is in Arabic, and the English text was translated by Joel Barlow. Both texts were submitted to the U.S. Senate on May 29, 1797, and the treaty was ratified and proclaimed in Philadelphia on June 10, 1797. George Washington was president when the treaty was signed at Tripoli, but by the time it reached the Senate for ratification, John Adams was president and presented it to the Senate. Joel Barlow was co-author with Moslem officials of this treaty and sole author of Article XI which contains the non-Christian statement.
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zeelanderer: if you ask kids if they would like a minute of silence, the overwehlming answer would be yes... it gets them out of doing any schooling for even one minute. I am not for it nor am I against it... ya just gotta be fair to both sides.
zee
There is a reason why children are not allowed to vote ,zee
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zeelanderer: The idea of "separation of church and state" is not spelled out in the Declaration of Independence. Nor the Constitution. In fact it's never spelled out. It is implied by the First Amendment to the Constitution (part of the Bill of Rights, established in 1791):
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
zee
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
zee
thank you
duh
one of the major misnomers in politics today
the no prayer in schools act was passed in our lifetimes people
duh
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crotalus_p: There is a reason why children are not allowed to vote ,
and a reason not everyone is an American.
zee
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Tater: China confiscates Bibles from American Christians
August 18, 2008 - 1:05 ET
A group of American Christians who had more than 300 Bibles confiscated by Chinese officials when they arrived in China is refusing to leave the airport until they get the books back, their leader said Monday.
Pat Klein said he and three others from his Vision Beyond Borders group spent Sunday night at the airport in the southwestern city of Kunming after customs officers took the Bibles from their checked luggage.
"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, so why is there a problem for us to bring Bibles?" said Klein, whose Sheridan, Wyoming-based group distributes Bibles and Christian teaching materials around the world. Here is another example and I'm just going to put up 2 or three more then will debate them...
China is not a democracy, it is a communist country with a tyrannical government that stomps on all religions not just christian August 18, 2008 - 1:05 ET
A group of American Christians who had more than 300 Bibles confiscated by Chinese officials when they arrived in China is refusing to leave the airport until they get the books back, their leader said Monday.
Pat Klein said he and three others from his Vision Beyond Borders group spent Sunday night at the airport in the southwestern city of Kunming after customs officers took the Bibles from their checked luggage.
"I heard that there's freedom of religion in China, so why is there a problem for us to bring Bibles?" said Klein, whose Sheridan, Wyoming-based group distributes Bibles and Christian teaching materials around the world. Here is another example and I'm just going to put up 2 or three more then will debate them...
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mindfful: thank you
duh
one of the major misnomers in politics today
the no prayer in schools act was passed in our lifetimes people
duh
duh
one of the major misnomers in politics today
the no prayer in schools act was passed in our lifetimes people
duh
Does this mean we also have to stop paying Teachers and public officials because the money says in god we trust?... wooo hooo my tax bill will be much lower this year.
zee
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From my state....
CHICAGO (AP) -- A federal judge has ruled unconstitutional a law passed by the Illinois legislature requiring the state's schools to require a moment of prayer or reflection on the day's activities.
U.S. District Judge Robert W. Gettleman ruled Wednesday the law crosses the line separating church and state under the Constitution.
He says in his ruling that the statute is a "subtle effort" to force students at "impressionable ages" to think about religion.
The ruling came in a suit designed to erase the Illinois Silent Reflection and Student Prayer Act. It was filed by talk show host Rob Sherman, an outspoken atheist, and his daughter, Dawn, a student at Buffalo Grove High School in suburban Chicago.
(Copyright ©2009 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Just one more example of how a small minority over rides the majority...
This outlaws a moment of silence, it is not mandated that people pray, only to give a moment of silence for the students who choose to pray(example if a child at the school dies in a car wreck or if someone is sick )oh and that's another word they outlawed in the schools here... is the word "prayer" students now, can't say the word because it may offend other impressionable children....
I have many many more examples