What condition will the earth be in when Jesus returns for the saved? ( Archived) (87)

so you were banished for your stutter

Do you mean 'poll'? C'mon.... it wasn't difficult, surely?

I have to be honest, I am not qualified and don't have the answer to your question. However, I am curious as to what is meant by 'the saved'?

BTW, I am with JK on this.

I am sorry but your thread is a bit useless, The answer for your question is explained in details in The Book of Revelation especially in the part Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Book itself is an interesting piece and I recommend to read, not because of apocalyptic point of view which was set up in apostolic era, the value of the book is in its epistolary point of view, especially spiritual path of allegory, fight between Good and Evil.

I liked especially angels mediator role in the process of Revelation and I was a bit surprised with their power ...

Interesting but difficult book for wintery evenings

God knows!!!!!!! But the man will certainly have his work cut out trying to sort it all out.

oh me oh my, again... religious "faith" touted as truth...

"truth:
noun
1. he doubted the truth of her statement: veracity, truthfulness, verity, sincerity, candor, honesty; accuracy, correctness, validity, factuality, authenticity. ANTONYMS dishonesty, falseness.
2. it's the truth, I swear: what actually happened, the case, so; the gospel (truth), the honest truth. ANTONYMS lies.
3. truth is stranger than fiction: fact(s), reality, real life, actuality. ANTONYMS fiction.
4. scientific truths: fact, verity, certainty, certitude; law, principle. ANTONYMS lie, falsehood.
PHRASES
in truth in truth, their marriage was rocky from the start: in fact, in actual fact, as it happens, in point of fact, in reality, really, actually, to tell the truth, if truth be told."

Waiting for Jesus is like waiting for aliens to reveal themselves to all humanity. The book of lies written by men is a nice lot of stories, myths, and beliefs. Beliefs not based on scientific fact, but on faith.

(snip)On December 21, 2012, an alien spaceship [not the first that never came] in France will take off and save those nearby from the apocalypse.

The alien spaceship is located in a French commune with a population of just 200. Locals are touting it as a modern-day Noah’s Ark because when doomsday arrives – December 21, 2012 – those nearby will be saved.

According to extraterrestrial experts at the United Nations, the alien spaceship is from Planet Zeeba.

A large stream of Zeeban believers – or esoterics, as locals call them – have descended in their camper van-loads to the usually picturesque and tranquil Pyrenean village of Bugarach.(snip) source:

The apocalypse did not come, and the date of arrival has been moved to Dec 2013.

The only real truth is that there never has been the fulfillment of the coming of Jesus, or the wrath of God, or the impending doom or shall we call it - the end days.

So live life like it's your last day. Because one thing is for sure - you are more likely to be hit by a bus than to see Jesus come.

Come on - UN experts on aliens talking about Zeeba ... That's like the Catholic Church myth of three days with no sun. Better to read other science fiction. No requirement to believe.

Geological devolution does not make true religious faith. People, witches, seers, occultists (all shunned by the Church) have prophesied geologic upheaval and dire changes (drought, famine, floods, disease, etc.), but, this does not make religious belief true.

"God uses earthquakes to serve his purpose"

So, God's purpose is to cause mass loss of life and vast destruction.

"God's word is plain" yeppers - no respect for life. Some God. Might be the devil. Or, might just be earth doing her thing as evolution progresses in to entropy.

"The world is not coming to an end" but species are going extinct and habitats are failing to support remaining populations at greater degrees due to toxic poisons unleashed by men, often, God fearing men, no less.

Sociopath: David C. Pack Declares Himself an Apostle

Faced with the idea that there is a male figure God whose purpose is to punish those who do not align with "him" and "his" ideology - I have to point out that this God of organized religion has no proprietary claim on the ability to see into the future. As I noted before people (many of whom are women) who have historically been shunned (and even killed by the Church) have been quite adept at foretelling the future. The bible is not the only source of knowledge and God does not have any special gifts that others do not.

"A very simple flaw in the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that foreseeing the future doesn't necessarily prove divine guidance. Psychics have existed in every generation, and some of them have demonstrated amazing abilities to predict future events. Their "powers," although mystifying to those who witness them, are not usually considered divine in origin. If, then, Old Testament prophets did on occasions foresee the future (a questionable premise at best), perhaps they were merely the Nostradamuses and Edgar Cayces of their day. Why would it necessarily follow that they were divinely inspired? Even the Bible recognizes the possibility that uninspired prophets can sometimes accurately predict the future:

"If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, `Let us go after other gods'--which you have not known--`and let us serve them,' you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for Yahweh your God is testing you to know whether you love Yahweh your God with all your heart and with all your soul" (Deut. 13:1-3, NKJV with Yahweh substituted for "the LORD").

By the Bible's own testimony, then, natural psychic ability could offer a perfectly sensible explanation for any example of prophecy that bibliolaters might cite in support of the inerrancy doctrine, but an unbiased contextual examination of the alleged prophecy will very likely uncover an even more rational explanation. Usually, Bible "prophecies" turn out to be prophecies only because imaginative Bible writers arbitrarily declared them to be prophecies. The same can be said of their alleged fulfillments: the fulfillments are fulfillments only because obviously biased New Testament writers arbitrarily declared them to be fulfillments."

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