Death penalty is now history in europe, but many countries in the world are still convinced that, man can offer the best justice through killing a criminal, and in many cases some innocent people get killed. Where do you stand on this troubling issue.
Note, no one is wrong, it's just your opinion and a debate, because it takes only concerned citizens to fix a law or to abandoned unproductive law.
In the US we have learned nothing else so absolutely makes it impossible for a killer to kill again.
In those states where the death penalty was abolished and life imprisonment became the norm there exist individuals who had their death sentence commuted to life imprisonment and continue to kill while in prison, both guards and other inmates. This is of course both unfair to those imprisoned with such people, and also the way it is. Other states simply execute those earning the privilege.
Didier15: Death penalty is now history in europe, but many countries in the world are still convinced that, man can offer the best justice through killing a criminal, and in many cases some innocent people get killed. Where do you stand on this troubling issue.
Note, no one is wrong, it's just your opinion and a debate, because it takes only concerned citizens to fix a law or to abandoned unproductive law.
death penalty in my opinion is form of complete stupidity, represents a total ignorance of the nature of our being.
Its impossible to kill someones essence, merely takes away a persons body, therefore just compounding any negativity instead of arresting the cause (if any) created by so called criminal. Engaging in Capital Punishment simply displays ignorance, deeply deluded opinions entrenched in many societies allowing idiot religious bigots to harshly judge the karmas of others
I agree in having the death penalty. I know it is difficult to be 100% sure that someone is worthy of death by the state, but there are some people whom society should get rid of as soon as possible. They have neither love for their fellow man or for themselves. Their only purpose on Earth is to cause misery and mayhem.
I am not against the death penalty if no other recourse is available. It takes a long time to implement in this country and costs much more then locking a person up for life. I believe that locking someone up for life without parole is a much worse punishment for their crimes and still gives us the option of not killing someone that is really innocent.
robplum: death penalty in my opinion is form of complete stupidity, represents a total ignorance of the nature of our being.
Its impossible to kill someones essence, merely takes away a persons body, therefore just compounding any negativity instead of arresting the cause (if any) created by so called criminal. Engaging in Capital Punishment simply displays ignorance, deeply deluded opinions entrenched in many societies allowing idiot religious bigots to harshly judge the karmas of others
If, as you write, it is impossible to kill their essence, then taking away their body does them no harm.
If you believe murder is a crime conceived of by religious bigots, then we have a separation here.
Execution here is not a punishment. It is a solution. Society has determined you are a danger and always will be. Execution prevents recidivism beyond any shadow of a doubt. Nothing else can make that claim.
NidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia1,430 posts
I'm for the death penalty.
IF there was truth in sentencing, I'd be opposed, but there isn't. In Europe and in the US, dangerous criminals have been released and re-offended. These victims are the ones I feel most sorry for because their deaths or injuries could have been avoided. Some of them re-offended more than once. I would like to hear the explanation for such a disaster that is given to the relatives of the victim.
NidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia1,430 posts
fearlessfred001: I am not against the death penalty if no other recourse is available. It takes a long time to implement in this country and costs much more then locking a person up for life. I believe that locking someone up for life without parole is a much worse punishment for their crimes and still gives us the option of not killing someone that is really innocent.
I've heard it said many times that it costs more to execute someone than to keep him/her imprisoned for life. Actually it's not true. Cases in point are the aging prison population in California. They are wardens of the state and many are coming down with typical age-related illnesses that are very costly to treat (be that cancer, dental, alzheimer, dementia etc.). In fact, the costs for old inmates who need care is very high and they actually get better care than a lot of people out on the street because they're wards.
It doesn't make sense to not have punishments to fit the crimes. 3 hots and a cot, even in a cell with other inmates, seems pretty good to many.
Actually enforce capitol punishment, and it might be a better deterrent than life in prison. It's not free to the public, it doesn't solve a problem, it becomes a burden all the way around where the serious offender is the only one that partially benefits.
Loss of so-called freedom means nothing to many. It's just that these types of gangs aren't out on the streets as of at the time they are incarcerated. They adjust and learn to play the system even better.
Didier15: Death penalty is now history in europe, but many countries in the world are still convinced that, man can offer the best justice through killing a criminal, and in many cases some innocent people get killed. Where do you stand on this troubling issue.
Note, no one is wrong, it's just your opinion and a debate, because it takes only concerned citizens to fix a law or to abandoned unproductive law.
I'm on the fence about this. On one hand, I can see where people may feel that justice is best served by taking the life of the offender and on the other hand, I can see where people may feel that life imprisonment might be the way to go. Capital punishment was abolished in Canada and the last two people executed in Canada was on December 11, 1962 at the Don Jail in Toronto.
The last person sentenced to death was on May 14, 1976, but it was reprieved as capital punishment was abolished for all common crimes on July 14th of the same year.
A prisoner on death row at the Don Jail (later named the Toronto Jail) wrote "living is hell but death is heaven" on the prison wall. Kinda says a lot.
I think calling the Death penalty a deterrent or a punishment is a grievous mistake. It is not either one and it should never be viewed as such.
The Death penalty is instead societies Solution for the all important question what can we do to this dangerous person that absolutely, positively ensures this monster will never again harm any other innocent?
Maybe prison situation for the worst criminals should be different from what we have today. What if the most dangerous criminals are isolated without any possibilities of having visit of any kind, telephoning, or having contacts with other prison mates? Can this be the alternative to capital punishment?
Technically, I do not approve of capital punishment because DNA evidence has proven many executed men innocent. However, if a recidivist case has proven a man to be guilty, why should hard working Americans be forced to pay their taxes to continually support these people? The guilty KNOW they are wrong when they commit these crimes! Then why should decent citizens be forced to support them? I have a degree in Criminology so know what I'm talking about!
And i would disagree, the essence because of the essence's nature moving energy (subtle-winds). While having human-form the so labeled criminal, has an opportunity\ability to reconsider ones negativity, find a better understanding and in consequence hopefully develop strong motivation not to engage in that sort of harmful conduct etc etc. Taking away there human rebirth is therefore an act of complete stupidity, the executioner and all those making karma in relation to the issues, themselves are engaging in like karma's of a murder, also it probably escapes the so called victims thoughts that they themselves had to have had created the karma's in past time\rebirth or present life to be murdered. The murder becomes so called victim in future rebirth and a whole series of completely stupid negative outcomes caused by ignorance producing an outcome or if you like, continuation, of continuous suffering experienced by all sentient-beings traveling the cycle of life\rebirth driven by the certainty of cause and effect for as long as they engage in the karma's that give rise to it.
Ken_19: I think calling the Death penalty a deterrent or a punishment is a grievous mistake. It is not either one and it should never be viewed as such.
The Death penalty is instead societies Solution for the all important question what can we do to this dangerous person that absolutely, positively ensures this monster will never again harm any other innocent?
There exists only one answer. Death.
Assuming it doesn't cause us harm living in a society where it's demonstrated that murder is justifiable and acceptable.
LoletteLe Mans, Pays de la Loire France1,691 posts
Didier15: Death penalty is now history in europe, but many countries in the world are still convinced that, man can offer the best justice through killing a criminal, and in many cases some innocent people get killed. Where do you stand on this troubling issue.
Note, no one is wrong, it's just your opinion and a debate, because it takes only concerned citizens to fix a law or to abandoned unproductive law.
This is a good issue ,,, NO, i'm against death penalty, in the first place it the cheapest way for a country to get rid of problematic citizens and false hope of having a society wherein just the reasonable and good people could only dwell. It's somewhat related to purification ,,, you can kill all those questionable individuals existing, then you will go on killing again and again, because we can't purify those coming from your wombs and those coming from outside to terrorise the humanity, they are part of the decor of this planet, if they are poison to the society, then everyone should ask why they turned out that way ,,, REBELS !!! if they are negligible in number they can be supportable, when they are growing rapidly into an important number then something must be wrong somewhere,
LoletteLe Mans, Pays de la Loire France1,691 posts
Lolette: This is a good issue ,,, NO, i'm against death penalty, in the first place it the cheapest way for a country to get rid of problematic citizens and false hope of having a society wherein just the reasonable and good people could only dwell. It's somewhat related to purification ,,, you can kill all those questionable individuals existing, then you will go on killing again and again, because we can't purify those coming from your wombs and those coming from outside to terrorise the humanity, they are part of the decor of this planet, if they are poison to the society, then everyone should ask why they turned out that way ,,, REBELS !!! if they are negligible in number they can be supportable, when they are growing rapidly into an important number then something must be wrong somewhere,
Does anybody here favor to death penalty been badly hurt or molested to the extent of approving others to be killed,,? think not ,, it's somewhat giving symphaty to whover the victims were, but does human judgement is reliable ? How many innocents and blacks that are killed just because they are presumed to be bad/offended the society and proven later to be innocents.
Its impossible to kill someones essence. All being are and have been migrating from life to life since beginningless time. Beginningless is without end flow of subtle winds (energy).
Silly people, and religious bigots suffering from a form of laziness, or possably just still simplistic minded insulting members who don't bother to carefully consider what others post in these forums
serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa2,821 posts
Lolette: This is a good issue ,,, NO, i'm against death penalty, in the first place it the cheapest way for a country to get rid of problematic citizens and false hope of having a society wherein just the reasonable and good people could only dwell. It's somewhat related to purification ,,, you can kill all those questionable individuals existing, then you will go on killing again and again, because we can't purify those coming from your wombs and those coming from outside to terrorise the humanity, they are part of the decor of this planet, if they are poison to the society, then everyone should ask why they turned out that way ,,, REBELS !!! if they are negligible in number they can be supportable, when they are growing rapidly into an important number then something must be wrong somewhere,
You have obviously not had anyone close to you MURDERED in cold blood
May 6, 2015 6:14 AM CST Is Death Penalty or Capital punishment a good justice?
wishvisAdelaide, South Australia Australia24 Posts
wishvisAdelaide, South Australia Australia24 posts
No! Abandon it, and bury it for good.
Capital punishment has absolutely nothing to do with justice.
There are some other very real reasons above this post, so I won't reiterate them.
I do understand the temptation, and I even understand your "logic", Ken, but in reality such a policy is but inhumanity dressed up to look like humanity. It's also hypocritical (it's wrong to kill, except to kill killers, etc).
Anyone who trusts such a policy to the corrupt and/or inept policing and judicial systems throughout this world (including all so-called "first world" or "developed" countries) is fundamentally denying their own responsibility for it's misapplication (because they endorsed said policy), or implying they just don't care if an innocent dies by "mistake".
Communities need to spend more effort protecting, supporting and educating their own community families (not just leaving it to legislation, policing and prosecution) and less time preaching that sanctioned murder is a justifiable, rational and civilised means of progressing society's physical, psychological and spiritual needs and development.
serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa2,821 posts
Didier15: Death penalty is now history in europe, but many countries in the world are still convinced that, man can offer the best justice through killing a criminal, and in many cases some innocent people get killed. Where do you stand on this troubling issue.
Note, no one is wrong, it's just your opinion and a debate, because it takes only concerned citizens to fix a law or to abandoned unproductive law.
So if someone rapedn and killed your wife and children??? You wuld say "shame, he had a problem"??? You make me sick
Capital punishment has absolutely nothing to do with justice.
There are some other very real reasons above this post, so I won't reiterate them.
I do understand the temptation, and I even understand your "logic", Ken, but in reality such a policy is but inhumanity dressed up to look like humanity. It's also hypocritical (it's wrong to kill, except to kill killers, etc).
Anyone who trusts such a policy to the corrupt and/or inept policing and judicial systems throughout this world (including all so-called "first world" or "developed" countries) is fundamentally denying their own responsibility for it's misapplication (because they endorsed said policy), or implying they just don't care if an innocent dies by "mistake".
Communities need to spend more effort protecting, supporting and educating their own community families (not just leaving it to legislation, policing and prosecution) and less time preaching that sanctioned murder is a justifiable, rational and civilised means of progressing society's physical, psychological and spiritual needs and development.
LoletteLe Mans, Pays de la Loire France1,691 posts
serena123: So if someone rapedn and killed your wife and children??? You wuld say "shame, he had a problem"??? You make me sick
Not all country/society have killers and rapers, it's a minority case, or else the planet is full of them enough to justify the killing of those lost individuals, generalization is a dangerous concept, everybody will be subjected to execution according to the judge's decision, and who are those men who condemn men,, they are purely an expression of humanity's incapacity to show/prove that other solutions can be invissioned aside from killing. Ben Laden was killled, how many replaced him? AND WHY ?
LoletteLe Mans, Pays de la Loire France1,691 posts
wishvis: No! Abandon it, and bury it for good.
Capital punishment has absolutely nothing to do with justice.
There are some other very real reasons above this post, so I won't reiterate them.
I do understand the temptation, and I even understand your "logic", Ken, but in reality such a policy is but inhumanity dressed up to look like humanity. It's also hypocritical (it's wrong to kill, except to kill killers, etc).
Anyone who trusts such a policy to the corrupt and/or inept policing and judicial systems throughout this world (including all so-called "first world" or "developed" countries) is fundamentally denying their own responsibility for it's misapplication (because they endorsed said policy), or implying they just don't care if an innocent dies by "mistake".
Communities need to spend more effort protecting, supporting and educating their own community families (not just leaving it to legislation, policing and prosecution) and less time preaching that sanctioned murder is a justifiable, rational and civilised means of progressing society's physical, psychological and spiritual needs and development.
wishvis, for the sake of one's priciples/reasoning you could present your stand.
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Is Death Penalty or Capital punishment a good justice?(Vote Below)
Where do you stand on this troubling issue.
Note, no one is wrong, it's just your opinion and a debate, because it takes only concerned citizens to fix a law or to abandoned unproductive law.