How did Mary become pregnant? (427)

You leave our wombats alone

Geeze I didnt know they could do that

Its Vinny..............

that was outright insult to someone...

it seems to be the case here if you dont the heat form someones comment,, maybe you should stay out of the kitchen.. and i take that comment back form what i said about that person, that was wrong of me...i agree...

as you go by your old books, and about what you read to trash the bible, we go by the bible... this is what we believe in, why dont you get off ya high horse, and except it!!!!

and i have taken the time to read most of what is said here, and have looked it up on the net... but i do not agree to outright insults to someone that trying to voice his opinion,

its his opinion, respect him for it, dont knock him for it...

Good post Maybe..............Am glad you said that about Trish as she didnt deserve it.............

He prob thought I was Prince of Wales..........

I know Trish.........

I think he has a good heart tho.........

i agree Vinny, it was wrong of me, i was just angry at the time, but that's no excuse for being rude...

so i do apologise for that comment....

Your a good Man and dont let these (me) non believers tell ya any different..............

they are water of a ducks back to me vinnie, i have been insulted by professional's these non-believers are just new,,, give them a few years, they might get under my skin...

now thats out of way!!!!1


i would like to ask a question...... a serious one.....

it was many moons ago... that the 25 December was a pagan ritual day, and it was the Church that decided to bring it in, to make it Xmas day,,,, not sure if this is true,,, but thought i would ask anyway, if someone has a answer to it...

Yes you are dead on balls correct. Here is a bit more about what actually went down. Also know that it was not only the Yule festival but also Easter and the Maypole celebration.

No one knows what day Jesus Christ was born on. From the biblical description, most historians believe that his birth probably occurred in September, approximately six months after Passover. One thing they agree on is that it is very unlikely that Jesus was born in December, since the bible records shepherds tending their sheep in the fields on that night. This is quite unlikely to have happened during a cold Judean winter. So why do we celebrate Christ’s birthday as Christmas, on December the 25th?


The answer lies in the pagan origins of Christmas. In ancient Babylon, the feast of the Son of Isis (Goddess of Nature) was celebrated on December 25. Raucous partying, gluttonous eating and drinking, and gift-giving were traditions of this feast.



In Rome, the Winter Solstice was celebrated many years before the birth of Christ. The Romans called their winter holiday Saturnalia, honoring Saturn, the God of Agriculture. In January, they observed the Kalends of January, which represented the triumph of life over death. This whole season was called Dies Natalis Invicti Solis, the Birthday of the Unconquered Sun. The festival season was marked by much merrymaking. It is in ancient Rome that the tradition of the Mummers was born. The Mummers were groups of costumed singers and dancers who traveled from house to house entertaining their neighbors. From this, the Christmas tradition of caroling was born.


In northern Europe, many other traditions that we now consider part of Christian worship were begun long before the participants had ever heard of Christ. The pagans of northern Europe celebrated the their own winter solstice, known as Yule. Yule was symbolic of the pagan Sun God, Mithras, being born, and was observed on the shortest day of the year. As the Sun God grew and matured, the days became longer and warmer. It was customary to light a candle to encourage Mithras, and the sun, to reappear next year.


Huge Yule logs were burned in honor of the sun. The word Yule itself means “wheel,” the wheel being a pagan symbol for the sun. Mistletoe was considered a sacred plant, and the custom of kissing under the mistletoe began as a fertility ritual. Hollyberries were thought to be a food of the gods.


The tree is the one symbol that unites almost all the northern European winter solstices. Live evergreen trees were often brought into homes during the harsh winters as a reminder to inhabitants that soon their crops would grow again. Evergreen boughs were sometimes carried as totems of good luck and were often present at weddings, representing fertility. The Druids used the tree as a religious symbol, holding their sacred ceremonies while surrounding and worshipping huge trees.


In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ’s birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is little doubt that he was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans (who remained a majority at that time) to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them.


Christmas (Christ-Mass) as we know it today, most historians agree, began in Germany, though Catholics and Lutherans still disagree about which church celebrated it first. The earliest record of an evergreen being decorated in a Christian celebration was in 1521 in the Alsace region of Germany. A prominent Lutheran minister of the day cried blasphemy: “Better that they should look to the true tree of life, Christ.”


The controversy continues even today in some fundamentalist sects.

Yes that article feels it was September. I think that sounds reasonable. For one thing, these women were having babies ALONE or with only the care of midwives and other women. It was the most dangerous thing a woman could do in this time period. Delivery in the dead of winter would have been bad.