Americans are viewed around the world as (651)

Oct 8, 2009 11:54 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
kissmedeeply: i know guns isnt the only things that kills
Guns don't kill!
I have two sitting in my Cupboard,and they are quite peaceful,haven't killed anybody.laugh
Oct 8, 2009 11:55 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
lights
lightslightsDenver, Colorado USA6 Threads 504 Posts
bodleing: I wasnt joking, its called that for a good reason.
Even though there are a large amount of illegal
firearms around, but I would be more concerned about
someone stealing my car or breaking into my property.
Generally its the people carrying guns who are the
ones that get shot. It is in fact extremely rare for
a law abiding citizen to be a victim of gun crime.
I suspect if guns were legal, that would not be the
case.


But that is the thing, if someone is bold enough to break into your property, not knowing if they will face you or not, and knowing that if they do face you and get identified and arrested for doing it, they will go to prison..... Then who knows what they might feel they have to do to not get caught??

I would not kill someone to protect property... but if someone illegally enters my home, then anything can happen and you could easily find yourself defending your life and health.

So..... that is the way I look at it and am thankful to have the constitutional right to protect myself if necessary.

There are a number of other considerations that play into the Right to Bear Arms, such as keeping our government "by the people and for the people", and other additional considerations.

If a person is trained and knowledgeable about firearms, there is nothing to fear about them. I think some of the illogical hysteria that is driving gun control originates from people who are just afraid of them because they are not knowledgeable about them.

They certainly can be dangerous in the hands of people who are not trained in the safe and proper use. But with training and education, there is nothing to fear about them. Just have to be safe and use your head with firearms.

But I realize that is a lot to ask sometimes.
Oct 8, 2009 11:55 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
Conrad73: Guns don't kill!
I have two sitting in my Cupboard,and they are quite peaceful,haven't killed anybody.


See i like how you comment on post

Some people get down right mean..

if they would only read i was only f....g jokingdoh
Oct 8, 2009 11:55 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
MrAngel: Oh,Conrad is adding his 2 cents again.And it's worth every penny of it.
You miscounted,3¢!
Oct 8, 2009 12:12 PM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
lights
lightslightsDenver, Colorado USA6 Threads 504 Posts
kissmedeeply: See i like how you comment on post

Some people get down right mean..

if they would only read i was only f....g joking


Sorry K M D, that I came across too strong. I apologize.

I did not know you were joking. I have debated this topic too many times in the past and had too many people throw false statements out as fact, in an effort (I guess) to spin or sway the debate.

I just want to argue the truth of the facts, not feelings, emotions, or fears. The 2nd amendment is and has been under attack in this country for a long long time, and it is a sore point.

As you can tell, I personally think it is a big thing that the citizens of the United States have the right to own firearms, and I have this belief for numerous reasons. Despite what the rest of world thinks or feels.

If an American does not want a gun in their house, fine with me. But why should they decide I cannot have a firearm in mine??
Oct 8, 2009 12:15 PM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
kissmedeeply
kissmedeeplykissmedeeplyPetitcodiac, New Brunswick Canada70 Threads 15,139 Posts
lights: Sorry K M D, that I came across too strong. I apologize.

I did not know you were joking. I have debated this topic too many times in the past and had too many people throw false statements out as fact, in an effort (I guess) to spin or sway the debate.

I just want to argue the truth of the facts, not feelings, emotions, or fears. The 2nd amendment is and has been under attack in this country for a long long time, and it is a sore point.

As you can tell, I personally think it is a big thing that the citizens of the United States have the right to own firearms, and I have this belief for numerous reasons. Despite what the rest of world thinks or feels.

If an American does not want a gun in their house, fine with me. But why should they decide I cannot have a firearm in mine??


Its okay..i have nothing against anyone who wants guns

I just dont like them as you have read in the past..

I just get upset when i say i dont like them and people go and jump on me

I dont jump on anyone who like/have/wants them..that is themhandshake
Oct 8, 2009 1:15 PM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
marigoldwoman2
marigoldwoman2marigoldwoman2stockport, Cheshire, England UK7 Threads 218 Posts
bodleing: I wasnt joking, its called that for a good reason.
Even though there are a large amount of illegal
firearms around, but I would be more concerned about
someone stealing my car or breaking into my property.
Generally its the people carrying guns who are the
ones that get shot. It is in fact extremely rare for
a law abiding citizen to be a victim of gun crime.
I suspect if guns were legal, that would not be the
case.


I can confirm that..

lots of guns about even in Stockport I've come home at 1 in the morning to see someone walking down the street outside my house carrying one .. and when I lived in a flat I often saw then in their back gardens showing them off to their mates..

shootings tend to be part of the gang culture but sometimes innocent folk get shot usually when they have been mistaken for someone else..

when I lived on the other side of the valley the corner shop next to my house was frequently the target of armed robbers and I worried that my children would get hurt walking past at the wrong time..
Oct 8, 2009 7:38 PM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
MrAngel
MrAngelMrAngelChungli, Taipei Taiwan3 Threads 452 Posts
lights: Sorry K M D, that I came across too strong. I apologize.

I did not know you were joking. I have debated this topic too many times in the past and had too many people throw false statements out as fact, in an effort (I guess) to spin or sway the debate.

I just want to argue the truth of the facts, not feelings, emotions, or fears. The 2nd amendment is and has been under attack in this country for a long long time, and it is a sore point.

As you can tell, I personally think it is a big thing that the citizens of the United States have the right to own firearms, and I have this belief for numerous reasons. Despite what the rest of world thinks or feels.

If an American does not want a gun in their house, fine with me. But why should they decide I cannot have a firearm in mine??


The issue of gun ownership/availability is a topic unto itself and certainly not one easily resolved here or anywhere else. Particularly,and this is not a slur,when Americans are involved in the debate.The right to bear arms is in your constitution and your history as well.I acknowledge that.But I strongly suspect that your founding fathers would be shocked at the misuse of that amendment and the proliferation of firearms in America today.The gun related statistics alone are staggering and bear witness to the violence,death and crime that those precious firearms produce.As an intelligent man,I'm sure you can see the folly in all this.Protecting yourself and your loved ones is one thing but supporting the..and let's be honest...the easy availability of guns is another.What do we see in the future?Perhaps guns will be given away as prizes in cereal boxes,with an accompanying document you would have to sign promising not to use the weapon irresponsibly.Yes,I'm being sarcastic.But let's not forget,it's a lot easier to kill someone if you have that gun in your hand,other weapons notwithstanding.And remember,bullets are never subject to recall or return if after pulling the trigger you have a change of heart.Guns must be controlled.
Oct 8, 2009 10:38 PM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
lights
lightslightsDenver, Colorado USA6 Threads 504 Posts
Hard to know what the founding fathers would think/say regarding the firearms issue today. I think they expected the proliferation... essentially a weapon in every home.... but I don't think they expected the fire power that can be available today. And I tend to think they would be surprised at the crime issue today.... since in their time, a scoundrel's poor choices came back to haunt him pretty quick. Today, a person can live a lifetime of poor choices and not face the consequences of his decisions. In other words, frontier justice was swift and the problem was solved.

So, in your words, "the crime those firearms produce" is ironically, one of the prime reasons people should have available to them firearms for defense. Even out the balance.

And you know it's true that when firearms are outlawed, it is the criminals who will have them. Anywhere in the world, that firearms are controlled, there is the element that will smuggle them in, sell them on a black market, and arm the bad guys.

So, I tend to view it like ' war on drugs'....which has been a 30 + year effort and spectacular failure. I say don't try to eliminate illegal drugs... On the contrary, legalize them, tax them, regulate them, and let those who freely choose to take drugs take them. (And they will suffer the consequences, but that is what comes with freedom of choice.)

Switzerland has a law, that since they have no standing military, every household has a rifle. The government arms the population. And they have very little crime.

Regulations on firearms in the US are significant already: you cannot be a convicted criminal, you cannot have a history of mental illness, alcoholism or drug addiction, and there are limitations on the type of gun and ammunition you can purchase. Various cities and counties pose further regulations, some of which are currently being contested before the US Supreme court.

I really believe in a contrary approach to crime though: Every home in the US should be encouraged and trained to have a weapon. I believe the result would be a lot less crime. A significant number of criminals would disappear due to their occupational hazard, and the rest might conclude it is easier to work for some money instead of attempting to steal it and incur a gunshot wound.

The police would have many law abiding citizens to assist them in protecting people and keeping the peace.

And I think the Founding Fathers could give this their blessing because it encourages individual accountability and responsibility, tends towards justice and rule of law, and over time, helps insure a government 'by the people and for the people'. It also tends away from the government 'Nanny state', where the citizens rely on the government to do everything for them.

It is practical and affordable, despite sounding radical, and I realize it would take time to implement.

But eliminating firearms is not the solution. There are too many risks, and the solution does not work.

Just my opinion.
Oct 8, 2009 11:28 PM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
Sparky6420
Sparky6420Sparky6420North Vernon, Indiana USA12 Threads 3 Polls 217 Posts
kev147: Sorry i dont mean to patronize i just dont get your point.
ireland is critized all the time and sometimes rightly so,
and for the millionth time this is about how america is viewed !!
Personally america should be world leaders,should be the guiding light of the world,
but your not your far from it,
i blame bush but obama needs to act now and get out of iraq and stop killing innocent people do you not agree?
Where is all this change that was promised,
as i said earlier im worried there will be another fat man

Why is it our responsibility to be the guiding light of the world? When did we sign up to be the world role model? Why not Ireland as the world role model? Are we the guiding light because we were the only country successfully able to win our revolution?
Personally, I don't think we should be so quick to involve ourselves in the affairs of other countries. Hoever, I do think that other countries shouldn't be so quick to judge us and expect us to jump right in when they need help. JMO.
Oct 15, 2009 1:41 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
pastortim
pastortimpastortimAland, Aland Islands Finland32 Threads 29 Polls 243 Posts
On Cannonball Run, the really big man has written on his shirt, "guns don't kill people, I do."

rolling on the floor laughing

That reminds me, I have to go buy another few cases of bullets before they ban them thanks to Arnold the "terminator".
cool
Oct 15, 2009 1:53 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
pastortim
pastortimpastortimAland, Aland Islands Finland32 Threads 29 Polls 243 Posts
kev147: Sorry i dont mean to patronize i just dont get your point.
ireland is critized all the time and sometimes rightly so,
and for the millionth time this is about how america is viewed !!
Personally america should be world leaders,should be the guiding light of the world,
but your not your far from it,
i blame bush but obama needs to act now and get out of iraq and stop killing innocent people do you not agree?
Where is all this change that was promised,
as i said earlier im worried there will be another fat man

First, trust me, you don't want America as the world leaders and second America is slowly falling apart and many think there will be another revolution before this term is over. The list is too long to go through on what has happened since January and how many bills have been passed that impose on the Constitutional Rights of every American, not to even speak of the money spent since then and not one thing has been accomplished. Then as more troops go to Iraq and the Middle East, the threat of war with Iran from Obama and Clinton are not making us look any better in the world and his promises all have been BS from the beginning. So please don't say you want the USA to be the world leaders. Some other group wants world domination and is working overtime to achieve it.

It is sad and it makes me sick on what is going on here in America and people of the world are blind to it, even some Americans who refuse to accept it.

The US Government has its own agenda and its not one that will help the world or Americans.
Oct 15, 2009 7:00 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
kev147
kev147kev147Dublin, Ireland12 Threads 5 Polls 373 Posts
well i dont want america to be world leaders but i guess you try to be by invading other countries ect,
are you in america or oslo im confused ??
and what do you mean about the government ?
surley you dont think they organized 9 11 like ive read some crazy americans say here ??
im sure it has alot more to do with oil if thats what you imply ??
but i understand your point why your upset i would be too if i was american because its clear from this thread you guys are not viewed favourably across the world and the point i was making is you should be,
sad really
Oct 15, 2009 7:11 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
Sparky6420: Why is it our responsibility to be the guiding light of the world? When did we sign up to be the world role model? Why not Ireland as the world role model? Are we the guiding light because we were the only country successfully able to win our revolution?
Personally, I don't think we should be so quick to involve ourselves in the affairs of other countries. Hoever, I do think that other countries shouldn't be so quick to judge us and expect us to jump right in when they need help. JMO.



As a leading light I'm afraid I'd find the US just too agressive. I think Switzerland would be a good role model. They have a high standard of living, the country is very clean, they are totally independant and nobody has a bad word to say about them. wave They even manage to have a navy inspite of being landlocked, a brilliant mountain railway system and they make army knives that look like they have been designed by Q in James Bond!laugh
Oct 17, 2009 1:59 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
hopefloats: That's why I hardly EVER say anything!
But that's okay...the country they live in is ALWAYS perfect.
laugh
Oct 17, 2009 2:02 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
kev147: thats so strange to use the word alien !
Especially in America where lets face it everyone is an alien if you go back on the hisory,
except the indians(native americans) that were butchered of course
Were they butchered? Seems to me you don't know your world history-except the politically correct side...It would be more correct to call them "siberian americans as they immigrated from asis/russia themselves.
Oct 17, 2009 2:03 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
RobertC2
RobertC2RobertC2Xaghra, Gozo, Gozo Malta91 Threads 8 Polls 8,344 Posts
Bebe - you look 'ok'.......... are you an American?

Would you like to represent your country?

Are you a sporty type?

What sport is your favourite?

Are you any good at it?

batting

teddybear
Oct 17, 2009 2:04 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
MrAngel: But let's not forget...Guns don't kill people...People kill people.... There's American thinking for you.
That is true-without intent, no one can be shot.
Oct 17, 2009 2:14 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
MrAngel: But let's not forget...Guns don't kill people...People kill people.... There's American thinking for you.
That's what every Swiss Gunowner thinks,and Boy are there many!rolling on the floor laughing
Oct 17, 2009 2:22 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
oranges2apples
oranges2applesoranges2applesheaven, Montana USA15 Threads 1,032 Posts
Any thoughts[/quote
i seem to be a 7-8 in the worlds eyes.dunno
Oct 17, 2009 3:44 AM CST Americans are viewed around the world as
MrAngel
MrAngelMrAngelChungli, Taipei Taiwan3 Threads 452 Posts
Conrad73: That's what every Swiss Gunowner thinks,and Boy are there many!


We can all agree that an angry man with a gun is more dangerous than one without a gun. I am also a gun owner by the way,but I do have mixed feelings about guns and gun ownership.
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