do u tink people should be excutied for smuggleing drugs? (238)
pedro27: love makes the world go round
And naivete makes it go crashing down!
no you can not execute drug dealers. how will i get through my day. often i,m asked why i smoke weed. my answer. keep me from killing some a**hole.
Line them up against the wall and execute them at dawn.
wulfen: I do, and I'm glad I'm no bleeding heart. You committ murder, you lose your life, simple.
a problem with your statement. if you kill then that means you are judging them.Godsgift: That's why death row is empty in the US then because the death penalty acts as a great deterrant. There were more murders in the UK when we had a death penalty than there are now.
As to the drug issue, well the couriers are the replacable foot soldiers and I think it's unfair to judge people without knowing their circumstances. This world can be a pretty nasty place on a day to day basis for some folks.
I'd like to see more of an effort made to catch the ones who are financing the drugs.
As to the drug issue, well the couriers are the replacable foot soldiers and I think it's unfair to judge people without knowing their circumstances. This world can be a pretty nasty place on a day to day basis for some folks.
I'd like to see more of an effort made to catch the ones who are financing the drugs.
So with your line of reasoning, free the sentenced criminals, having jails obviously hasn't deterred them from committing crime, so why bother huh?
Better still, let's abolish all laws and go the way with anarchy. After all laws are to be broken right?
Re-the couriers being the replacable foot soldiers, so what? The drugs they're helping to sell is ruining the lives of others. But let's all be bleeding hearts and feel sorry for the couriers, after all his mama didn't love him/her as a child right? Poor courier!
victor_meldrew: But that is one of the problems - certainly in most western societies, the human rights activists and the pc brigade, the liberalists, prisoner rights groups all conspire to make sure that these people would have a cozy comfortable cell, TV radio, games, smokes, newspapers etc etc etc, not harsh at all.
Plus, they get to run their drug operations from their cells, such is the lax security, and then they get let out after about fifteen years anyway, free to go about their trade once again ..
Plus, they get to run their drug operations from their cells, such is the lax security, and then they get let out after about fifteen years anyway, free to go about their trade once again ..
You hit the nail right on the head mate. Unfortunately the pc brigade would rather see the real victims as the criminals, and the murderers, rapists, thieves, drug dealers etc as the victims.
Makes you wonder where evolution went wrong with these people.
as someone who spent close to 10 years in Leavenworth prison. i did kill someone. and i,m free to walk the streets. but in my case i killed someone in the name of my country.
odessaukraine48: a problem with your statement. if you kill then that means you are judging them.
Isn't that what a judge is there for in a courtroom?
As for forming opinions where I'm judging others, if I think somebody is committing something bad, I'm not going to try to find excuses for him/her, I'll consider that person a scumbag for doing it.
Luckily for me I'm not part of the pc brigade who are afraid of having an opinion because they're afraid to offend someone, even if that someone is a criminal.
odessaukraine48: as someone who spent close to 10 years in Leavenworth prison. i did kill someone. and i,m free to walk the streets. but in my case i killed someone in the name of my country.
If I'm understanding that statement right, you killed while serving as part of the military?
Killing in a military action while in the line of duty is not the same thing as committing murder mate, there's a very big difference.
when i first went in front of a court Marshall. i was charged with three counts of murder. but don't time on disobeying a direct order. but you points are well taken. i guess after doing all that time. i feel a little sorry for my fellow inmates. but i do agree on death penalty.
Odysseus101: Exactly, I have no scientific basis, but my question is, how can the death sentence NOT act as a deterrent??....if you are prepared to commit a crime, and you know it carries the death sentence, then accept the consequences if you are caught. It's so simple.
In the 1800's you could be sentenced to hang for even the most menial crime, didn't stop crime did it? I don't agree with the death penalty simply because it can't be undone, if evidence comes to light later showing the 'victim' was innocent, BUT China has the death penalty and we, the outside world, have no right to tell them how their justice system should respond simply because the person going through that justice system isn't Chinese.
i believe in the united states armed service. you can still be hung.
wulfen: Isn't that what a judge is there for in a courtroom?
As for forming opinions where I'm judging others, if I think somebody is committing something bad, I'm not going to try to find excuses for him/her, I'll consider that person a scumbag for doing it.
Luckily for me I'm not part of the pc brigade who are afraid of having an opinion because they're afraid to offend someone, even if that someone is a criminal.
after reading all your posts all I can say is glad your not a judge.....crime and punishment simply is not as Black and white as you portray it to be...however I have partaked in enough of these threads to realise you will only see YOUR way ...so I will lieve you to your beliefs....As for forming opinions where I'm judging others, if I think somebody is committing something bad, I'm not going to try to find excuses for him/her, I'll consider that person a scumbag for doing it.
Luckily for me I'm not part of the pc brigade who are afraid of having an opinion because they're afraid to offend someone, even if that someone is a criminal.
Lostrebel: after reading all your posts all I can say is glad your not a judge.....crime and punishment simply is not as Black and white as you portray it to be...however I have partaked in enough of these threads to realise you will only see YOUR way ...so I will lieve you to your beliefs....
As opposed to you seeing the ways of others who aren't fellow bleeding hearts?
I just hope for your sake you'll never be in a position when one of your family or loved ones is murdered or the victim of some other violent crime mate. Maybe you'll open your eyes then and stop seeing the REAL criminals as the victims you so obstinately try to make them out to be.
It's obviously impossible to reason with your type, so I leave you to your warped beliefs too mate.
Iuchi_Zien: In the 1800's you could be sentenced to hang for even the most menial crime, didn't stop crime did it? I don't agree with the death penalty simply because it can't be undone, if evidence comes to light later showing the 'victim' was innocent, BUT China has the death penalty and we, the outside world, have no right to tell them how their justice system should respond simply because the person going through that justice system isn't Chinese.
Yes let's just give all criminals a pat on the back and tell them not to be naughty boys & gals in future right? See how the crime rate will plummet after that.
wulfen: As opposed to you seeing the ways of others who aren't fellow bleeding hearts?
I just hope for your sake you'll never be in a position when one of your family or loved ones is murdered or the victim of some other violent crime mate. Maybe you'll open your eyes then and stop seeing the REAL criminals as the victims you so obstinately try to make them out to be.
It's obviously impossible to reason with your type, so I leave you to your warped beliefs too mate.
Well this post and a couple others shows your mentality ...as you have referred to some of us that do not believe in the death sentance as "Bleeding Hearts" I assure you I am not now nor ever have been a "Bleeding Heart" and I am intelligent enough to debate my views on this and many subjects without name calling or disrespecting ones views.....and you did this in an open forum on a dating site...interesting to say the least... I just hope for your sake you'll never be in a position when one of your family or loved ones is murdered or the victim of some other violent crime mate. Maybe you'll open your eyes then and stop seeing the REAL criminals as the victims you so obstinately try to make them out to be.
It's obviously impossible to reason with your type, so I leave you to your warped beliefs too mate.
wulfen: As opposed to you seeing the ways of others who aren't fellow bleeding hearts?
I just hope for your sake you'll never be in a position when one of your family or loved ones is murdered or the victim of some other violent crime mate. Maybe you'll open your eyes then and stop seeing the REAL criminals as the victims you so obstinately try to make them out to be.
It's obviously impossible to reason with your type, so I leave you to your warped beliefs too mate.
I just hope for your sake you'll never be in a position when one of your family or loved ones is murdered or the victim of some other violent crime mate. Maybe you'll open your eyes then and stop seeing the REAL criminals as the victims you so obstinately try to make them out to be.
It's obviously impossible to reason with your type, so I leave you to your warped beliefs too mate.
How do you know he has not been in that position??
Assumptions are dangerous..And "your type"?? What type is that, exactly??
Talk about closed minds..wulfen: Yes let's just give all criminals a pat on the back and tell them not to be naughty boys & gals in future right? See how the crime rate will plummet after that.
Why is it people (not mentioning any names, Wulfen) assume that if you aren't for capital punishment you don't want to see criminals punished,
THERE ARE OTHER WAYS, capital punishment doesn't work, history screams that at us loudly, but you choose not to listen, as if somehow it's an "I believe in Capital punishment" so I'm for punishment of criminals, you don't you're not. I would happily accept capital punishment if the jury, or judge were held responsible for the murder of an innocent man if the person executed is found later to be not guilty (you then see how many times the death penalty is ACTUALLY applied) The guy broke the law in China, he is subject to the Chinese justice system and we should BUTT OUT!Iuchi_Zien: Why is it people (not mentioning any names, Wulfen) assume that if you aren't for capital punishment you don't want to see criminals punished, THERE ARE OTHER WAYS, capital punishment doesn't work, history screams that at us loudly, but you choose not to listen, as if somehow it's an "I believe in Capital punishment" so I'm for punishment of criminals, you don't you're not. I would happily accept capital punishment if the jury, or judge were held responsible for the murder of an innocent man if the person executed is found later to be not guilty (you then see how many times the death penalty is ACTUALLY applied) The guy broke the law in China, he is subject to the Chinese justice system and we should BUTT OUT!
I disagree with capital punishment simply because you can't reverse it.
But (Iuchi Zien) we are a global village now, and we should not BUTT OUT. You can't just pick and choose which policies you support or not just because there is an international border. The reason I say this is because there are countries that do not have a fair judicial system and so many people are executed without a fair trial. This takes me back to comments about asylum seekers and the hope that we may one day find ways in which to alleviate the problem. And a starting point would be to BUTT IN on policies that are unfair etc in other countries.
China is consistent in its approach to its people - not a flexible approach I believe? But I cannot comment on whether its judicial system is fair as I have little knowledge of it. We butted in sufficiently with other high-profile crimes - and we don't know the pressure that was placed on those countries, eg Mark Thatcher's case?
As for making a jury responsible - you cannot do that. To do so would be to skew the justice system. The jury can decide if someone is guilty or not - their decision should not be based on 'cold feet' about the punishment. They should not be held responible for the punishment, only the judicial system is responsible for that.
What do people think about the Muslim system in the middle east where the family get to decide the fate of the 'murderer'?
I think this whole idea of deterrent is flawed. People who commit crime form two major groups
1. Those who think they won't get caught, and if you think you won't get caught does it matter what the punishment is. Thailand has had the death penalty for drug smugglers for ages and still STUPID people think they can get away with it.
2. Impulse crimes these are the people who just DON'T think full stop.
Punishment should be appropriate to the crime, to increase that punishment as a deterrent is simply not going to work.
1. Those who think they won't get caught, and if you think you won't get caught does it matter what the punishment is. Thailand has had the death penalty for drug smugglers for ages and still STUPID people think they can get away with it.
2. Impulse crimes these are the people who just DON'T think full stop.
Punishment should be appropriate to the crime, to increase that punishment as a deterrent is simply not going to work.
"do u tink people should be excutied for smuggleing drugs?"
Well it would certainly make the queues at the 'Goods to Declare' counter a bit longer.
Well it would certainly make the queues at the 'Goods to Declare' counter a bit longer.
bodleing: "do u tink people should be excutied for smuggleing drugs?"Well it would certainly make the queues at the 'Goods to Declare' counter a bit longer.
Hurray!!!!!!
kev86: in ireland all u get is 15 years for murder but ull get out after 10 years pff and the kill a poor man over a few kgs unbelaveable
u can even get 8 years for murder here. and be out in 6
wulfen: Well, if I ever was into a position of considering committing murder, I'd surely think twice about it if a death sentence hanged over my head if I got caught.
Same argument, for lesser offences the threat of going to jail serves as a deterrent from committing such acts.
Quite logical for anyone with at least 2 grey matter cells in their brains I guess. For bleeding hearts who make the criminals the 'victims' I guess it's a tad harder to understand.
Same argument, for lesser offences the threat of going to jail serves as a deterrent from committing such acts.
Quite logical for anyone with at least 2 grey matter cells in their brains I guess. For bleeding hearts who make the criminals the 'victims' I guess it's a tad harder to understand.
I think I will nominate you for the Diplomatic Corps.......
I asked you for evidence........not just your say so.
Here is a site which proves that Murders actually occur more ith the US States, that have the death penalty.
States that dont have the death penalty have less murders.............Go Figure.........
wulfen: So just because it costs more (due to the convoluted legal wranglings), we should prevent the victims from having justice?
What sort of reasoning is that? Criminals need to be brought to justice, whatever the cost.
What sort of reasoning is that? Criminals need to be brought to justice, whatever the cost.
My quote was in response to a poster stating that it costs more to incarcerate someone for life than it does to execute them...........
Please dont take it out of context.
Very little on the news here in China, about this sad case, when I asked my students they all agreed he should have been executed, but when I read them the article in the Sunday Telegraph they became uncertain, saying maybe the government should have done further checks to see if he was mentally unbalanced, sadly they don't believe the government refused to use the medical reports issued by the UK, they believe what the Government tells them
ogdensburgbabe: Thats simply not true..
It might seem that the prospect of receiving a death penalty would deter would-be murders from committing such offences. However, many studies on deterance and the death penalty do not support this idea, nor does the rate of murders in states with the death penalty. The murder rate in states that do not have the death penalty is consistently lower than in those that do.
The South, which carry out 80% of the executions in the US, has the highest murder rate of the four regions in the US..
It might seem that the prospect of receiving a death penalty would deter would-be murders from committing such offences. However, many studies on deterance and the death penalty do not support this idea, nor does the rate of murders in states with the death penalty. The murder rate in states that do not have the death penalty is consistently lower than in those that do.
The South, which carry out 80% of the executions in the US, has the highest murder rate of the four regions in the US..
So just give murderers a pat on the back and tell them not to be so naughty next time huh?
What about justice to the victims and punishment for the offenders? If a person kills in cold blood he/she deserves the death penalty, period.
ogdensburgbabe: How do you know he has not been in that position?? Assumptions are dangerous..
And "your type"?? What type is that, exactly?? Talk about closed minds..
And "your type"?? What type is that, exactly?? Talk about closed minds..
Your type in this case refers to people with the tendency to portray the criminal as a victim and make us all go boo hoo over his deserved fate.
Before pointing fingers about close minds, take a look at yourself next time ok?
If a countries laws outline what is acceptable and what's not concerning crime ie drugs etc etc and a person gets caught then so be it.
The strange thing about this particular case in China is that: Why would herion go from "Poland" to a predominately producing heroine region ie Asia.
The Chinese have problems within the small community of muslims within China and execute Chinese Muslims opposing Chinese govt rule, what makes this particular case different considering he was 'British' (Sheik)
Who the f@*k does british/usa/nz/oz/canada etc etc feel that we have the right to tell another country regarding their laws in their own country what to do.
The reality is that most of the west bar a few are under chinese monetry ransom, when they say jump- most of the western world will say 'how high sir', wake up and smell the coffee.
The peoples Republic of China are in a very authoritive comfortable position, who are we to tell them what to do especially in their own country?
The strange thing about this particular case in China is that: Why would herion go from "Poland" to a predominately producing heroine region ie Asia.
The Chinese have problems within the small community of muslims within China and execute Chinese Muslims opposing Chinese govt rule, what makes this particular case different considering he was 'British' (Sheik)
Who the f@*k does british/usa/nz/oz/canada etc etc feel that we have the right to tell another country regarding their laws in their own country what to do.
The reality is that most of the west bar a few are under chinese monetry ransom, when they say jump- most of the western world will say 'how high sir', wake up and smell the coffee.
The peoples Republic of China are in a very authoritive comfortable position, who are we to tell them what to do especially in their own country?
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Says who?
If someone is threatening your life or your loved ones, you don't have the right to kill in self defence?
What about fighting a war to defend your country?
What about euthanasia? Should you leave a terminally ill patient with no hope of recovery linger on in agony because you lack the guts to stop his suffering?
Just 3 examples where killing is, for want of a better word, is 'right'.