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simpleman579ignacio, Colorado USA3 Threads 68 Posts

simpleman579ignacio, Colorado USA68 posts

I believe in peace also my friend. I just have a hard time seeing peace practiced after a certain point in this battle. time and time again though it seems Israel is ready to talk or willing to delay self defense during muslim holidays. then...they are bombed. or a jewish kid hit in the head with rock during some jewish festivity. again actions speak louder than words. speaking of peace You can have the last word goodnight man.

anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

Albertaghost:
Israel accepted UN Resolution 181, Palestinians did not.

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anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

anonymous1: I'm kinda' glad you got done trying to summarize what I said, and just cut, and pasted it; but, I'm not sure you understand it.

You left out the part where I said she was wearing an ammunition vest..

Ammunition belt.

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sinseeker48gisborne, Gisborne New Zealand39 Posts

sinseeker48gisborne, Gisborne New Zealand39 posts

its amazing,,,every one that has replied to your comment,,has shown their face,,xpressing their thorts on wat this world wants to and has to offer,,,,,

but yet on every reply you hav some thing to hide,,,,,,be nice to see the postman,,,,,i dont think thats not too much to ask for....

jus somethin i wanted to share.....hey all hav an awsum week and keep safe.......kym

jazib96Melbourne,chadstone., Victoria Australia5 Threads 178 Posts

jazib96Melbourne,chadstone., Victoria Australia178 posts

anonymous1: Ammunition belt..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-7uXAsWHX0

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Conrad73Zurich, Switzerland59,471 posts

anonymous1: Un Condemns Israel - Image Results

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....and now have a good look at the Composition of the UN-General Assembly!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Council

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_member_states

Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts

Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7ZREDSw_A

anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

Conrad73: ....and now have a good look at the Composition of the UN-General Assembly!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Human_Rights_Councilhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_Nations_member_states

The U.S. is in it.

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AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts

anonymous1: Un Condemns Israel - Image Results

www.omdurman.org/cartoons/UN_megan.jpg

Gee, if, seventy years earlier they had of accepted UN Resolution 181 or, even show how they would in principal accept it, none of the minor stuff (in comparrison) would even have occured.

In short, that those who are without continue to refuse the basis for 181, more trivial events like the above will occur.

In any case, given that Palestinians officially wish to kill every Israeli, no action to aid in stopping this, no matter how wrong you feel it is can be considered morraly incorrect.

Now, when are those Palestinians going to accept UN Resolution 181 or, whatever resolution gives them land and recognition as per that sixty year old resolution they have refused to accept? Israel accepted it and has built a nation on the land as per same. Palestinians refused that land in favor of killing all Israelis.

So when? And, what matters is not all the little resolutions but the main oe they have yet to accept as so far, they have yet to acknowledge the right for Israel to even exist.

aspen12portage la prarie, Manitoba Canada28 Threads 16 Polls 528 Posts

aspen12portage la prarie, Manitoba Canada528 posts

Albertaghost: Gee, if, seventy years earlier they had of accepted UN Resolution 181 or, even show how they would in principal accept it, none of the minor stuff (in comparrison) would even have occured.

In short, that those who are without continue to refuse the basis for 181, more trivial events like the above will occur.

In any case, given that Palestinians officially wish to kill every Israeli, no action to aid in stopping this, no matter how wrong you feel it is can be considered morraly incorrect.

Now, when are those Palestinians going to accept UN Resolution 181 or, whatever resolution gives them land and recognition as per that sixty year old resolution they have refused to accept? Israel accepted it and has built a nation on the land as per same. Palestinians refused that land in favor of killing all Israelis.

So when? And, what matters is not all the little resolutions but the main oe they have yet to accept as so far, they have yet to acknowledge the right for Israel to even exist.

UNCLE ALBERT THE SAME OLD BLA BLA BLA DO YOU EVER QUIT

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The UN is of course a paragon of honesty, accountability and morality.
Two-thirds or more of its member states are not democracies but dictatorships. Countries that sit on its "human rights council" are illustrious nations such as Libya, Saudi Arabia, and Iran.
Yes, I think countries such as these have every right to judge the only real democracy in the Middle East on issues of "international law."(LMAO) If a "flotilla" carrying weapons and arms were approaching Turkey's shores, the Turkish navy would sink the ship with everyone on it. And that would be the end of it.
There would be deafening silence from the UN and all international bodies.
It's only when Jews seek to defend themselves that everyone gets all excited.
In Arabic, they have a saying, "first comes Saturday, then comes Sunday."
When they are done with Israel - Christian Europe is next. So get ready. And we only have ourselves to blame if heaven forbid the West falls, because we slept and slumbered and allowed it to happen.

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anonymous1: The U.S. is in it..

again now,and constantly being outvoted by the Thugs!

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Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts

Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts

Conrad73: http://airbornecombatengineer.typepad.com/photos/mideast/idfgirl.jpg

Lol! Typical male! I will have you know IDF girls are not just 'pretty faces'. They are extremely skilled, dedicated, and good trainers. But that belongs in another forum!!!

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Wow_Factor: Lol! Typical male! I will have you know IDF girls are not just 'pretty faces'. They are extremely skilled, dedicated, and good trainers. But that belongs in another forum!!!

anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

Albertaghost: Oh, by the way, most terrorists don't wear an ammunition vest...

I said ammunition belt at first, I meant belt the second time; and, I corrected it, look up, it's at the top of page 21.

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anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

Conrad73: again now,and constantly being outvoted by the Thugs!

Being outvoted, when you're supporting this kind of behavior is to be expected.
The behavior exhibited in this video, used by Israel to defend their position is THUGGISH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7ZREDSw_A

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anonymous1: Being outvoted, when you're supporting this kind of behavior is to be expected.
The behavior exhibited in this video, used by Israel to defend their position is THUGGISH.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk7ZREDSw_A.

I'd used a Steamroller in Gaza!

And the Flotilla was ILLEGAL under to the Jericho-Gaza-Agreement!

Gaza–Jericho Agreement (Annex I, Article XI) which vests Israel with the responsibility for security along the coastline and the Sea of Gaza. The agreement stipulates that Israel may take any measures necessary against vessels suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity.

anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

Conrad73: I'd used a Steamroller in Gaza!

And the Flotilla was ILLEGAL under to the Jericho-Gaza-Agreement!Gaza–Jericho Agreement (Annex I, Article XI) which vests Israel with the responsibility for security along the coastline and the Sea of Gaza. The agreement stipulates that Israel may take any measures necessary against vessels suspected of being used for terrorist activities or for smuggling arms, ammunition, drugs, goods, or for any other illegal activity.

Netanyahu didn't show footage of people having any missles on boats.

He says thousands of missles are being smuggled into Gaza; the implication is, that's why they are on that ship... then to make his point, he doesn't show any missles siezed from any ships?

He only shows men armed with chains, chairs, poles and knives?

Obviously if they suspected people of having missles on that ship, the video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt... they were wrong.

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AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts

anonymous1: My daughter's mother is still a registered with the FBI as a terrorist.If you don't like the way the FBI defines terrorist, tell them your definition.

Ah now we have it narrowed down. The FBI definition of terrorism is ......................................

""The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.""

So. I take it that you agree with this definition and, it is the one you stand with so, how is a soldier using a human shield to further a MILITARY goal, a terrorist then? While his use of force is illegal, he is not attempting to coerce a Government nor the population nor any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives. Rather, he is hoping he won't get shot by the chums of the poor guy he is using as a shield.

Answer; He is not.

anonymous1: OBTW, I was watching a PBS history show yesterday, and they called the Jews who fought the Romans in Israel terrorists.

That would be somewhat correct but, also, somewhat incorrect and I suggest you watch it again to see the actual definition at work. The Jews, or Zealots who actually fought the Romans were committing an act of rebellion while the Jews who terrorized those who aligned themselves economically and politically in cooperation with the Romans were terrorists. I suppose that at different times a terrorist can be an insurgent or an insurgent a terrorist but, while in the act, the two, if all things are equal, are defined differently. Similarly, an insurgent in Iraq who targets US forces is an insurgent, a guy or group who plant a bomb in a market are committing terrorism. The Zealots can be called terrorists as that is one of their methods however, in the larger scheme of things, they are insurgents who sometimes used terrorist methods.

anonymous1: So, according to somebody else, it's possible for a Jewish person to be a terroist in Israel, just like it's possible for an American to be a terrorist in America.
If it's any consolation, they said the Romans committed acts of terror too.Terrorisim is defined by what you do, not who you are, or where you are.

That would have to depend on what was done and, if it fits into any accepted definition of terrorism. Normally, states who hold much power just use military force and rarely have to rely on terrorism. Small groups who hold little power have to use terrorism as leverage to achieve results.

anonymous1: Any act you accept to define a gentile as a terrorist, is an act of terorrisim, even if an Israelite does it.

Your definition must fit the action in order to be defined as terrorism. Attacking a military force in any way shape or form is a military action. Even if done secretly with a remote controlled IED as the goal is a military one. If one does the same against a civillian target, with the specific goal of coercing a government to effect political change rather than a here and now physical change in those whom you attack, then it is an act of terrorism.

Your definition once again;

"The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

My definition is pretty much the same thing and is simply a bit more descriptive but, contains that same information and specifics as yours.

Well done!

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts

anonymous1: Netanyahu didn't show footage of people having any missles on boats.

He says thousands of missles are being smuggled into Gaza; the implication is, that's why they are on that ship... then to make his point, he doesn't show any missles siezed from any ships?

He only shows men armed with chains, chairs, poles and knives?

Obviously if they suspected people of having missles on that ship, the video proves beyond a shadow of a doubt... they were wrong.
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The reason for the blockade is not because every ship has missiles on it but rather to make sure none have missiles on them. If every boat was suspected of having missiles on them then every boat would just be blown out of the water but, Israel understands that many boats will have legitimate material on them and, simply wishes to inspect same to make sure they have nothing prohibited.

anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

Albertaghost:

Your definition once again;

"The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives."

Anybody using children for human shields is intimidating the child and the child's family, friends, and neighbors.

If they are doing it for their country, they are doing it furtherance of political and social objectives.

Yes, that does include anybody who happens to be an Israelite in Israel.

We don't need to debate this anymore Albert,
If it's alright with you, for soldiers in the Israeli army to use children as human shields.

That's good enough for me.

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aspen12portage la prarie, Manitoba Canada28 Threads 16 Polls 528 Posts

aspen12portage la prarie, Manitoba Canada528 posts

anonymous1: Anybody using children for human shields is intimidating the child and the child's family, friends, and neighbors.

If they are doing it for their country, they are doing it furtherance of political and social objectives.

Yes, that does include anybody who happens to be an Israelite in Israel.
We don't need to debate this anymore Albert,
If it's alright with you, for soldiers in the Israeli army to use children as human shields.

That's good enough for me.

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WHY DEBATE WITH UNCLE ALBERT IT TAKES ONE FOOL TO ARGUE WITH ANOTHER FOOL I ENJOY WHAT YOU OFFER TO THIS FORUM IT POSTIVE

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts

anonymous1: Anybody using children for human shields is intimidating the child and the child's family, friends, and neighbors.

If the family, friends and neighbors are there, on the spot, at that instant then I would agree with you however, possibly some of them may be nowhere near the action at that moment and may not know about it for weeks so, they are hardly intimidated.

anonymous1: If they are doing it for their country, they are doing it furtherance of political and social objectives.

Certainly however, Israel, as I have have shown finds this sort of action reprehensible and prosecutes those who comitt it so, this is done on a one on one basis by the individual soldier to save his own hide.

anonymous1: Yes, that does include anybody who happens to be an Israelite in Israel.

anonymous1: We don't need to debate this anymore Albert,
If it's alright with you, for soldiers in the Israeli army to use children as human shields.

That's good enough for me.

As I have explained it is not alright by me to have soldiers in the Israeli army to use children as human shields but, now that you say you find that a good thing I question your sanity.

anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

Albertaghost: If the family, friends and neighbors are there, on the spot, at that instant then I would agree with you however, possibly some of them may be nowhere near the action at that moment and may not know about it for weeks so, they are hardly intimidated.

You won't need to remind me, not to leave you alone with a child.

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AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts

anonymous1: You won't need to remind me, not to leave you alone with a child..

What a strange thing to say - particularly on a political thread. Is this because you seek to be 'alone' with children that this just comes out of the blue with so little thought?

anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts

anonymous1Hawaii, USA1,649 posts

Albertaghost: What a strange thing to say - particularly on a political thread. Is this because you seek to be 'alone' with children that this just comes out of the blue with so little thought?

I grew up in a place where we know a crime against a child, is still a crime... even if the parents never find out!

Albertaghost:
If the family, friends and neighbors are there, on the spot, at that instant then I would agree with you however, possibly some of them may be nowhere near the action at that moment and may not know about it for weeks so, they are hardly intimidated.

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts

anonymous1: I grew up in a place where we know a crime against a child, is still a crime... even if the parents never find out!
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Where on earth have I stated that this is not a crime? I believe I stated a long time ago in this thread that using a child as a human shield was a war crime. You however, believe that it is also intended to be intimidation against friends, parents and relatives.

Now, try to follow along while I connect the two to show your error....

I also stated that while it is a crime, and wrong, it is not necessarily intended to deliberately be intimidation against others as those others may or may not be observers to the crime - hence, it cannot possibly be the main motivation for the crime.

sugamountinalexandria, Virginia USA2 Threads 88 Posts

sugamountinalexandria, Virginia USA88 posts

Albertaghost: Where on earth have I stated that this is not a crime? I believe I stated a long time ago in this thread that using a child as a human shield was a war crime. You however, believe that it is also intended to be intimidation against friends, parents and relatives.

Now, try to follow along while I connect the two to show your error....I also stated that while it is a crime, and wrong, it is not necessarily intended to deliberately be intimidation against others as those others may or may not be observers to the crime - hence, it cannot possibly be the main motivation for the crime.

Wow.

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts

AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts

sugamountin: Wow.

No kidding. And this only took what, five pages. Hope he gets it now.

Oh, wait until he tries to show how Hamas uses it's own people as human shields just to intimidate them. Can hardly wait for that one to get explained!

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