what do you feel about refugees (156)
Kontikitactsilkeborg, Central Jutland Denmark52 Threads 6 Polls 797 Postsrefugees.... I think they are people who wish a better standard of living,the same as your own forefathers...so Jonno marry one !
felixis99: yes I agree also that keeping it legal is important
is there such a thing as NATIVE AMERICAN? aren't you all immigrants, except the red indians ofcourse
if u have 500 000 usd, canada accepts u as a legall immigrant, Even if that 500 is a drug deal money
In short what you are saying is this. A refugee's death is survival for yourself.
I think that every african refugee should be able to live freely in Mexico.
Ladefoss23: is there such a thing as NATIVE AMERICAN? aren't you all immigrants, except the red indians ofcourse
and they came from somewhere!
I feel.....
like a scotch!
like a scotch!
Let's take a poll of the aboriginal people of Australia. Some people should really think before posting.
Conrad73: and they came from somewhere!
Some say from France, now. Have you heard of that theory? I don't find it tenable myself, but there's supposed to be cultural similiarities between the Beaker People and the Clovis Culture.
Ladefoss23: is there such a thing as NATIVE AMERICAN? aren't you all immigrants, except the red indians ofcourse
Even they were refugees, having crossed from Russia to Alaska ...That is the theory of how America got it's population....
Very few folk can claim not to be a refugee if you go back far enough....So the debate is more about time....When you forefathers moved ....
Dagosto: Some say from France, now. Have you heard of that theory? I don't find it tenable myself, but there's supposed to be cultural similiarities between the Beaker People and the Clovis Culture.
I gusess until they have mapped all the DNA of indigenous People we wouldn't really know!And even then no one could keep track of it all.
Conrad73: I gusess until they have mapped all the DNA of indigenous People we wouldn't really know!
And even then no one could keep track of it all.
And even then no one could keep track of it all.
DNA evidence aside, the archaeological evidence against the "Clovis-first" model (the Americas first settled by humans 16-15,000 BCE) has become overwhelming, I think. Monte Verde Site in Chile has reliable dates by multiple methods of 17,500-18,000 years ago. More intriguing, for the Beaker-People-North Atlantic Glacial Crossing-theory, are sites in Pennsylvania and North Carolina, not as firmly dated, but still quite strong.
One possibility is that today's "native Americans" are actually newcomers themselves; that the continents were first reached on or two thousand years earlier, by settlers who did not survive (and left no DNA.) That would make today's "native Americans," in effect, squatters.
Conrad73: I gusess until they have mapped all the DNA of indigenous People we wouldn't really know!
And even then no one could keep track of it all.
And even then no one could keep track of it all.
Not as simple as it seems.
Dagosto: DNA evidence aside, the archaeological evidence against the "Clovis-first" model (the Americas first settled by humans 16-15,000 BCE) has become overwhelming, I think. Monte Verde Site in Chile has reliable dates by multiple methods of 17,500-18,000 years ago. More intriguing, for the Beaker-People-North Atlantic Glacial Crossing-theory, are sites in Pennsylvania and North Carolina, not as firmly dated, but still quite strong.
One possibility is that today's "native Americans" are actually newcomers themselves; that the continents were first reached on or two thousand years earlier, by settlers who did not survive (and left no DNA.) That would make today's "native Americans," in effect, squatters.
One possibility is that today's "native Americans" are actually newcomers themselves; that the continents were first reached on or two thousand years earlier, by settlers who did not survive (and left no DNA.) That would make today's "native Americans," in effect, squatters.
Well it was a point that earliest life came from around the Rift Valley.....I am talking of course of the first life found so far...So that means unless you are from that area and lived there all your life and previous generations did the same. Then we are all "refugees".....
I know we in Britain and Ireland are A COMPLETE MIXTURE OF SO MANY....
patmac: Well it was a point that earliest life came from around the Rift Valley.....I am talking of course of the first life found so far...So that means unless you are from that area and lived there all your life and previous generations did the same. Then we are all "refugees".....
I know we in Britain and Ireland are A COMPLETE MIXTURE OF SO MANY....
I know we in Britain and Ireland are A COMPLETE MIXTURE OF SO MANY....
All kinds of everything P. Even the unknown reside here.
Veritaas: All kinds of everything P. Even the unknown reside here.
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH You will break my cover ...... Conrad73: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/be/Poblamiento_de_America_-_Teor%C3%ADa_P_Tard%C3%ADo.pnghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States
Not as simple as it seems.
Not as simple as it seems.
Can't find the article I read on Science Daily, Con; their search engine is pitiful. (Ironic, no?) But the gist was as I said: mounting evidence from multiple sites now indicates people reached the Americas one or two thousand years earlier than previously thought...and those people were not the Clovis Culture folk, presumed ancestors of today's native Americans.
patmac: Well it was a point that earliest life came from around the Rift Valley.....I am talking of course of the first life found so far...So that means unless you are from that area and lived there all your life and previous generations did the same. Then we are all "refugees".....
I know we in Britain and Ireland are A COMPLETE MIXTURE OF SO MANY....
I know we in Britain and Ireland are A COMPLETE MIXTURE OF SO MANY....
Sorry Pat, missed this post before. As I understand it, the earliest known evidence of life on the planet, dating from the Pre-Cambrian era, some 3.5 billion years ago, was found in Australia. Only an amoeba, yes, but somebody's ancestor.
Which begs the question: How valid is it to argue right of presence by citing ancestry, anyway?
swf1950: Two of my grandparents came here through Ellis Island one from Germany and one from Ireland.
Both had to learn English. My grandfather's Irish was hard to understand and grandmother only knew German. But they can here through the right channels.
So for me go through the right channels or stay out.
Both had to learn English. My grandfather's Irish was hard to understand and grandmother only knew German. But they can here through the right channels.
So for me go through the right channels or stay out.
I think you're confusing immigrants and refugees. I find it very doubtful that refugees always have the luxury of going through the right channels.
Dagosto: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monte_Verde
Can't find the article I read on Science Daily, Con; their search engine is pitiful. (Ironic, no?) But the gist was as I said: mounting evidence from multiple sites now indicates people reached the Americas one or two thousand years earlier than previously thought...and those people were not the Clovis Culture folk, presumed ancestors of today's native Americans.
Interesting!Can't find the article I read on Science Daily, Con; their search engine is pitiful. (Ironic, no?) But the gist was as I said: mounting evidence from multiple sites now indicates people reached the Americas one or two thousand years earlier than previously thought...and those people were not the Clovis Culture folk, presumed ancestors of today's native Americans.
It would be kind of improbable that just one Migration happened,and would account for all the pre-Historic People in the Americas.
Ladefoss23: Americ became America by the refugees and foreigners..
without the german scentist verner fon brown, NASA would be a peanuts production plants..
but they killed him after draining him off his knowledge
without the german scentist verner fon brown, NASA would be a peanuts production plants..
but they killed him after draining him off his knowledge
That's news to me - where did you get this information from?
why have the Gypsies fled from India, will be a great mystery...maybe its the climate ...
to find the holy land but their guide lost his way
Boban1: why have the Gypsies fled from India, will be a great mystery...maybe its the climate ...
patmac: Stirring and looking for a bite.....Sad innit
...........and chasing off good People!
AJ1976: Like yours my country is subject to a heavy influx of "refugees" - they are really mainly economic migrants but we will keep using the word for practical reasons.
Here too they are given some free services and assistance and here too the locals have turned pretty hostile towards the outsiders.
Truth be told
1. Their impact on the economy and the job market is actually positive as they are taking jobs that we would not want to perform anyway (menial and low paid labour in the main) and the availability of such a labour pool enables business to keep its overheads low and invest more in research and business development thus often generating more high level jobs for the locals to take up.
2. The actual extent of their upkeep is a bare fraction of what our politicians waste away on nonsensical matters anyway.
3. Most nations have been economic migrants themselves at some point in their existence. We Maltese definitely have and practically all the settlers in Australia were ex convicts or economic migrants from all over the place. Is it not hypocritical now on our part to deny the same rights to others when we were so quick to demand them for ourselves in the past?
We all need to take a few steps back and consider our obligations to the human race and the legacy we are leaving behind by which posterity will judge us.
Here too they are given some free services and assistance and here too the locals have turned pretty hostile towards the outsiders.
Truth be told
1. Their impact on the economy and the job market is actually positive as they are taking jobs that we would not want to perform anyway (menial and low paid labour in the main) and the availability of such a labour pool enables business to keep its overheads low and invest more in research and business development thus often generating more high level jobs for the locals to take up.
2. The actual extent of their upkeep is a bare fraction of what our politicians waste away on nonsensical matters anyway.
3. Most nations have been economic migrants themselves at some point in their existence. We Maltese definitely have and practically all the settlers in Australia were ex convicts or economic migrants from all over the place. Is it not hypocritical now on our part to deny the same rights to others when we were so quick to demand them for ourselves in the past?
We all need to take a few steps back and consider our obligations to the human race and the legacy we are leaving behind by which posterity will judge us.
good on you
some people have no empathy or common human decency ..
Just for clarifiction is this poll about refugees, migrant workers or illegal immigrants?
A true refugee haveshould every right to be allowed into the first safe country they cross into and seek assylum. I do not gree that a refugee should travel half way around the world however to choose a specific country to claim assylum in as that is making a mockery of the system.
Migrant workers who succesfully apply to enter a country should be allowed in to work and help contribute to that countrys state by paying taxes etc.
Illegal immigrants should be returned to there home countrys without any right to appeal in my opinion as these are the ones who do not contribute and are commiting a crime which the tax payers are left facing the bill for.
A true refugee haveshould every right to be allowed into the first safe country they cross into and seek assylum. I do not gree that a refugee should travel half way around the world however to choose a specific country to claim assylum in as that is making a mockery of the system.
Migrant workers who succesfully apply to enter a country should be allowed in to work and help contribute to that countrys state by paying taxes etc.
Illegal immigrants should be returned to there home countrys without any right to appeal in my opinion as these are the ones who do not contribute and are commiting a crime which the tax payers are left facing the bill for.
yes mate they come here with no papers or faulse passports then complain burn the buildings down when thier not proccesed fast enough they get free medical free internet free buss rides when thier go on hunger strikes to get our simpathy but we are getting sick of thier lying and free bus rides when shifted and think its thier rights and expect us not to complain about thier behaviour when they are not honest in the first place if they where honest in the first place they would be proccessed and passed if we went to thier country we would be shot & sunk before we hit thier shores 
EagleWoman: I know nothing about refugees in Australia sorry!!!
The immigration laws are tough though, I looked into it once a few years ago ...
well your doing it the legal and proper way thats why,travel to indonesia jump on a rickety old fishing boat arrive illegally and you will get put up in 5star hotels all free! simpleThe immigration laws are tough though, I looked into it once a few years ago ...
lifeisadream: Refugees in Australia???
Not many.Not even 5000 people from boat arrivals per year on average..hardly earth shattering figures by world standards..
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