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Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

No connection between corporate interests and political advocacy?



Sorry Ray, I can't believe that 1% of Americas population should be protected from paying their fair share while holding in their hot little manipulating hands 45% of Americas wealth...



"The rules of economic globalization are likewise designed to benefit the rich: they encourage competition among countries for business, which drives down taxes on corporations, weakens health and environmental protections, and undermines what used to be viewed as the “core” labor rights, which include the right to collective bargaining. Imagine what the world might look like if the rules were designed instead to encourage competition among countries for workers. Governments would compete in providing economic security, low taxes on ordinary wage earners, good education, and a clean environment—things workers care about. But the top 1 percent don’t need to care."

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Why yes, isn't it?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Don't they keep raising the age in the US on that so we'll all die first from lack of health coverage because no one wants to hire full time anymore?

You're Swiss and old as dirt, so probably getting yours of course.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

No I don't, but 2 wrongs don't make a right. If someone brings up the topic of being pro Sharia Law.. I certainly have opinions about that and would voice them.

But this was supposed to be about the wealthy nations of the world and how they have affected everyone.


Do you think idiocy isn't alive and well and living in north America too? You are from the more supposed 'modern, superior, advanced' culture aren't you? Well the one that makes more money anyway... so you're bringing in $3000/mo while not paying yourself a salary, as a single man and paying no taxes because that's legal. Shall we ask what Mnowsa makes and how many ATVs he has at his disposal for fun? Have you ever lived in another culture in a non military fashion... have you an inkling what 'poor' is?

The point being that none of that petty small spirited snipping has to do with the topic. Walk a mile.

As for

Albertaghost: "“So let me get this straight, you think that a company that employs a lot of people and earns money to pay investors such as you and I should fold up and lay all those people off?

I think they should have the right to fail if they've screwed up and cheated their customers, chips fall where they may.

Or, was you intent that they pay workers a lot of money and thus renege on their promise to those people such as the normal working Joe who invests in them to maximize profit for the shareholders?"

Normal working Joes don't have a portfolio Al ... and now they're getting laid off because their jobs have disappeared.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

... and you didn't mention a thing about his child bride?
Come on Al, be civil or your gone.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Where there is the will, there's a way.

Unfortunately there aren't too many looking beyond their bottom lines for peace, love and brotherhood are there... after all it's not financially profitable. Strife pays.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

There has been a plan at foot for quite awhile, I have no doubt about it... and it seems there are many hooking up to the ride.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

If you can't play nice then go away Alberta.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Btw UBS is buying up tons of small financial planning companies all over the world... google how many in the US. Talk about creating a niche huh?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

While moving manufacturing to foreign soil with no health laws or work protections and paying them a pittance. And yet did the prices of items sold in the US and Europe go down or remain the same and higher... hmmm... wonder where the gravy went that should have been fairly taxed, the Caimans?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Oh no! These days they want the masses, you know the other 99.5%, to just kick the bucket... problem solved.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Actually I think corruption is the name of the game everywhere these days and why we are all the pickle we're in.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

What a bunch of bull.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

These days they are one and the same thing, you hadn't noticed?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

That's right Mnowsa.... no fear of that happening these day, but it's ok to bail THEM out when they get too big for their britches and pay the government off to stop doing what they our forefathers intended the government to do... protect everybodies rights.

Pffttt... representatives .

Gosh Alberta... I just realized that you are more naive than me!

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Oh fer godsakes, you insult and then snivel when you're busted at it? I was born, raised and lived in the states for 52 years you ditz. My kids are there and I go back almost every year, how far out of the loop do you think anyone in the world can be these days? Well unless they drum up a new form of SOPA to try to push through.

So this VALID discussion has come down to petty personal rivalries about political differences without any FACTS added to the mix? But nothing new there.

Way to debate.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

I wonder that exact thing every single day Mnowsa.

How long can a snake live if it's eating it's own tail?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

What was right about America has been systematically altered, without pity for the last 30 years... and that corrosion is what makes me not only extremely angry but extremely patriotic... because as opposed to you, I want what's best for my country of birth.

A wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities.

~Thomas Jefferson

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

They are all in bed together Best ... bankers all across Europe and the US, taking risks with public monies and using the honest citizen as the scapegoat.... telling THEM they have to tighten their belts and that they are worthless leeches at the same time.

One would wonder if there isn't a plan a foot.... or just rampant greed driving us over a cliff.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

The only risk they took was seeing how long they could keep the scams going, how much money to pad congress with to change laws in their favor and presidents to back to keep wars going and the money flowing... it's still working. All of this has been proven over and over again, but I guess you'd actually have to read.

Actually they keep laying people off while their personal profits soar... but whose looking? Obviously not you.

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Guess it's not your problem then or maybe you're just good at hiding what you earn...

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

The crashing isn't done and the bonuses are still rolling in... and where is your money Al?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Actually you pretend you know a lot more than you do... often. But certain mindsets are incapable of reading anything that doesn't jive with the programming... what's new?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Yes and why wouldn't I answer? I'm a US citizen as well as an Italian one and foolishly kept my money and still pay taxes and vote in the USA where the money was made, because I thought that was the right thing to do. Silly me. But I'm working on changing that.

Why don't you ask Connie or Alberta where theirs is?

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Obviously I'm not talking about a mom and pop business or even under $2m/yr, but the ones too big to fail or so big they can buy governments, those in the billions and trillions.. isn't that where we are?

This article was from 2009 and we've just gotten worse. Then there is this:



Or:

Is this what they mean by a Welfare State?

Corporate tax receipts as a share of profits are at their lowest level in at least 40 years.

Total corporate federal taxes paid fell to 12.1% of profits earned from activities within the U.S. in fiscal 2011, which ended Sept. 30, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That’s the lowest level since at least 1972. And well below the 25.6% companies paid on average from 1987 to 2008.

Even the 25.6 percent share of profits that went to corporate taxes over the last quarter century comes in below the top statutory corporate tax rate of 35 percent. Meanwhile, corporate profits are currently at a 60 year high, rebounding back to above where they were before the Great Recession hit.

At the same time that corporations are pulling in huge amounts of money, workers are seeing their wages shrink. Last year, real wages fell by 2 percent, and “many employees are also working longer hours and getting more done without raises or overtime pay.” “Part of the reason why business profits are so high is it is a zero-sum game, so labor is on the losing end of that,” said Aaron Smith, senior economist at Moody’s Analytics. “Businesses are getting more out of each worker they have.”

And the Right is still screaming about how high their taxes are and what a drain the rest of America is on their pocket books? Just how much is enough? There is a huge difference between what is capitalism and what is corporatism. Corporations are NOT people, they are profit making, government buying bottomless pits of greed without borders, boundaries or loyalty to the country which gave them the where with all to oppress the rest of it's citizens.... who hate paying their fair share!

RE: Ask yourself this question. Who benefitted most from 9/11?

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
Blow up our own buildings to start a war

2. Create a gulag.
Gitmo and all the other prisons we don't know about.

3. Develop a thug caste
Mercenaries, police and national guard being trained and used by the military by government decree.

4. Set up an internal surveillance system
Uh duh... cams everywhere, gps, telling IT browsers what they can and cannot divulge. Homeland security

5. Harass citizens groups
Why were peaceful protesters of OWS treated like criminals with excessive violence, while the tea party was not?

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
Arresting citizens, active duty and veterans on arbitrary 'suspicions' without due process. Homeland security

7. Target key individuals
Placing controversial/dissident journalists, authors, professors, bloggers on lists for further.... what?

8. Control the press
The government tells them what they can and cannot print, actually most are already part of the plan.

9. Dissent equals treason

10. Suspend the rule of law

We'll just have to see what happens with these last 2 won't we?

RE: Ask yourself this question. Who benefitted most from 9/11?

Yeah well that's the problem... too wrapped up in parrot speak.

RE: Ask yourself this question. Who benefitted most from 9/11?

Fascist America in 10 easy steps:

1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy
2. Create a gulag
3. Develop a thug caste
4. Set up an internal surveillance system
5. Harass citizens groups
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release
7. Target key individuals
8. Control the press
9. Dissent equals treason
10. Suspend the rule of law



You know, if you reflect on what's been going on in the last immediate 12 years or so... it all seems to be falling rapidly and frighteningly into place with patterns which have been successful in maintaining power and wealth within the moneyed elite for hundreds of years. Is this really where we want America?