gininitaly Forum Posts (2,454)

RE: Libya update - the off topic thread

"Libyan oil is generally light (high API gravity) and sweet (low sulfur content). The country's nine export grades have API gravities that range from 26.0o – 43.3o. While the lighter, sweeter grades are generally sold to Europe, the heavier crude oils are often exported to Asian markets."

Italy, France and China in that order, are the largest receivers.

There is a pie on the link above that shows the others.

RE: Libya update - the off topic thread

Three BBC Journalists Tortured By Col. Qaddafi's Forces In Libya

RE: Libya update - the off topic thread

"Gaddafi is in this for the long haul," Mr Clapper said.

"I don't think he has any intention, despite some of the press speculation to the contrary, of leaving. From all evidence that we have... he appears to be hunkering down for the duration."





But Mustafa Abdul Jalil, who has emerged as the main opposition leader, has given a defiant interview to the BBC.

He urged the international community to follow the lead of France by recognising the rebel administration in Benghazi as the legitimate government of Libya.

He called on Western governments to help with the fight, saying: "Everybody should know that there is no balance between our capabilities and Muammar Gaddafi's. He is besieging cities to ban people from leaving them."

Looks like they need some guns if nothing else.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

thx to you too hun.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

Thanks Vinny... ya know it's hard work being a whipping post... nice to know someone appreciates it. Thanks.

RE: Libya - Latest Updates Part II

You know Ray half the time you're dead on... but the other half is sometimes just so...paranoid.

If it happened in Tunisia and Egypt with no involvement... why in the world is Libya special? I think you're dead wrong on this one. It's simply a youth wave this time... unfortunately gone to the Gaddafi dogs in Libya. jnho

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

If the shoe fits....

RE: Unbiased news coverage?

Although it does make it difficult for all of us.... do we have to check in with 6 news agencies to get a well rounded average? Or should we just run with our gut bias? But you know thinking back.. I do check in with about 3 a day.

RE: Unbiased news coverage?

RE: Unbiased news coverage?

You forgot one....

Fox News: Wisconsin Votes to Strip Union Rights

RE: Unbiased news coverage?

My goodness, revealing isn't it?

.... no wonder 'facts' are hard to come by.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

I agree that you have been more open than some.. but the core group have created an atmosphere of self righteous elitism that does not open the door to discussion...in fact they are "loaded" with negativity from the get go... what can you learn from that? I know I'm a work in progress and hopefully always will be... is that wrong?

I have point blank asked some to define their positions and they've refused saying "You should know where I stand". But do I?

I think there are many degrees of where we are and we assuredly cross a large spectrum of ideas from left to right from who's telling and who's listening. Until we define and discuss each position, there can be no dialog here, only polarization.... and frustration that leads to stupid extreme responses.

We need to stop assuming.



Because that is what I think happens here... everybody has a picture in their mind of what left and right is and they apply across the board to whomever they think is one or the other 'picture'... I don't think pictures apply. We are variations on a theme... and that's where respect comes in... you have to give it to get it.
Insults, flip answers and petty shots are not food for discussion.

We mustn't delude ourselves that there is no prejudice here.. of course there is and some have the power to use it in more ways that a flip answer... and that smacks of unfair advantage and dirty pool to me.

I just think if you disagree, clarify and say why you disagree. We might all learn something that way... you know, break out of the stereotyping.

JMHO

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

What I need is not to be pigeon holed into one little stereotyped box... and for you to tell me what your opinion of what governments role should be if any? Because I'm fully aware of what it is.

But I will read more Von Mises...

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

"Did we not learn this during the succession of Bush/Obama bailouts, all designed to privatize the gains of big business and socialize its losses? These bailouts had nothing whatever to do with macroeconomic stabilization or with the general interest of society; they were all about looting society to favor large banks and corporations like General Motors and AIG, protecting the state's friends from the wiles of market change.

Mises goes on to speak of the tragedy of liberalism. As a doctrine, it is not favored by any single special interest and certainly no single political party. It is nonetheless in the interest of the whole society over the long term; indeed, it is the wellspring of civilization. It is for this reason that Mises believed that liberalism needs dedicated champions in all walks of life. Otherwise we end up with endless cycles of phony change such as we observe by looking at the whole history of presidents after midterm elections."

Conclusion....

RE: Libya - Latest Updates Part II

Well everyones truth comes from the information they receive.

I actually agree and have from the start that the US should stay out of it... and that we have been warmongers for lots of reasons that usually have to do with profit. But that is no different than any other dictatorship.. it is apparently what makes the world go around. Greed, blood and hunger.

In this case Libyan rebels should make their own call.

As of yesterday:

"The rebels also hope that the international community will soon set up a no-flight zone to prevent Colonel Qaddafi from bombing his own people and importing mercenaries from abroad.

Nonetheless, fighters are adamant they can win this themselves. They don’t need or want foreign troops on the ground. They do, however, need better weapons.

Libyans will have their own revolution. But the international community, which helped fortify Colonel Qaddafi’s dictatorship and now has a great moral responsibility to our new nation, must act to assist the uprising and limit the soaring loss of innocent life."

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

morning Tom... how much is enough (tho I think that was personal millions not billions...and yet? Half the income of the US has been diverted into 1% of the pockets... and nobody wants to talk about why the world is in a global recession? Perspective.

What does too much government have to do with anything if all they do is take care of the capitalists?

RE: Libya - Latest Updates Part II

More than 9,000 migrants who’ve reached Italy since January 2011 reportedly set sail from the Tunisian port of Zarzis, where truckloads and cars full of migrants are reported to be arriving. The migrants are understood to be paying 1,400 euros each for their 10-12 hour passage to a ‘new life’ in Europe.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

"There are two sides to every story. Lots of great quotes from bias people for and againt liberals and conservatives."

No actually on this site...only conservative content is allowed as fitting.

Hmmm... besides where in any way have I shown any faith in the government? There is no government, just the capitalists the conservatives support... you all already own us, I mean, what's the worry?

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

Liberalism is, I think, resurgent.
One reason is that more and more people are so painfully aware of the alternative. The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.

John Kenneth Galbraith

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

The left-brain, right-brain concept of personality.

The left brain is verbal, sequential, logical, detailed and controlling.

The right brain is nonverbal, simultaneous, creative, spontaneous and looks at the big picture.

So, what are the characteristics specifically of left-brained vs. right-brained people.

Left-brained people are:

*Sequential. They take tasks and do them one at a time. To find a particular sheet of paper from a stack, they would look at one, analyze to see if it was the piece they were looking for, then go to the next one.

*Analytical. They look for reasons and causes for everything, and from these causes, they find effects.

*Verbal. Generally, they want to hear the message clearly to understand it.

*Logical. They have an internalized code that they use to process information in a step-by-step process.

*Focused on grammar, patterns, literal meanings. The content of words means more to these people than the delivery, so they might be more captivated by the speaker or writer's use of parallel structure or rhyme (some recognizable pattern) in speaking, than anything else.

Right-brained people are:

*Simultaneous. They take tasks and look at the broader pictures of them. In the previously mentioned search example, they might spread all the papers out and look at all of them at once.

*Holistic. The specific line of causes and effects aren't as important as the entire mechanism as a whole. Furthermore, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

*Imagistic. The actual words in a message aren't as important as the mental images or emotions evoked.

*Intuitive. Information is processed by insight and "what feels right" rather than a set code.

*Focused on intonation, context, and pragmatic meaning. The most important information to right-brained people is the tone of voice, or volume, or some aspect of the speaker or writer's delivery. The deeper meaning is more important than the obvious facade of a sentence, word or phrase.

I don't believe however that most people are all one way or the other.. but that we flow back and forth between the two in many ways... we just have degrees of tendency... some floating somewhere in the middle taking from both sides and others hitting opposite ends of the spectrum.

If we are both here does that make us superfluous one to the other or rather.. some natural and necessary balance that compliment each in finding solutions that all people can use? I mean what would life as we know it be without the other? Too cold, systematic and controlling or too emotional, artsy and abandoned to impression? Accountants/musicians?

Or is this the cause of all wars and discord the human animal keeps seeming to repeat?

RE: now we say who was best ever president of all time

No I don't buy into either category, I'm liberal on some things and conservative on others.. I think for myself, no matter how many times any of you may insult me for it. I realize the world has become black or white and it has divided and conquered a nation and that most live in ignorance of what is happening to them.

I wouldn't consider a Wall St bailout watching out for the best interests and needs of 'the people' would you? He's been bought as most presidents are and if not then they already part of the buying crowd which the Bushes were.



Do you see any of that trickling anywhere but up?

Let me save you time, here are the totals between Bush and Obama:

Total $11 trillion committed $3 trillion given

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

Actually what you said seemed more like common sense than anything I read in the library of congresses country profile? have a link?

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

Hey... I resemble that remark.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

G'Morning Mnowsa

RE: now we say who was best ever president of all time

Actually he's has proven in action that he has not been 'liberal' at all. So you are actually mouthing group speak not opinion based on fact. Just sayin'.....

Myth Of Barack Obama And The Liberal Agenda!

News pundits are writing about President Obama’s switch from his “liberal agenda” to a more moderate one that will place him in the center of the American political spectrum. Unless, I have been on another planet, it is bewildering to read about a “liberal agenda” that has been proposed by Barack Obama, or by anyone. The expression, “liberal agenda-Obama” has been repeated so frequently that many people accept the version of a Democratic “liberal agenda” as the source of problems. From where this pundit sits, Barack Obama has been a CONSERVATIVE in his initial two years as president. Let’s examine the agenda:

1. President Obama made no changes in Bush policies in Iraq. The timetable established by Bush has been maintained.

2. President Obama has not only continued war policies of Bush in Afghanistan, he has expanded the scope and breadth of them.

3. President Obama proposed a national health care plan that was similar to the one enacted by Republican Mitt Romney in Massachusetts as well as programs proposed by such Socialists as Bob Dole and Richard Nixon.

4. President Obama has maintained violations of civil rights to prisoners in Guantanamo prison.

5. President Obama SAVED BANKS AND INSURANCE COMPANIES! Unless I live on another planet, what is ‘LIBERAL” about saving banks??

6. President Obama SAVED GENERAL MOTORS. He did NOT take over the auto company as might have been done by a radical, he saved the company and it is now a healthy CAPITALIST enterprise.

7. Not a whisper of gun control has passed the lips of President Obama.

8. Yes, he did pursue plans to end discrimination against gays and lesbians. BUT, the court case to do this came from A REPUBLICAN GROUP–Log
Cabin Republican!

9. At no point has President Obama endeavored to restrict bonuses paid to themselves by banks and companies that were saved by the federal government

Not exactly what I would call true liberal behavior, which in my 'opinion' has to do with what is best for most.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

Actually this China discussion was not based on fact, only an hypothesis that you and Antjo somewhat agree on.. no dissertation was researched, interviews or polls taken from any actual Chinese that could be used as proof that your opinions are in fact, fact.

There is were the whole burden of proof issue goes bye bye.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

A thought on rigidity:


“There are only two choices: A police state in which all dissent is suppressed or rigidly controlled; or a society where law is responsive to human needs. If society is to be responsive to human needs, a vast restructuring of our laws is essential.”

William Orville Douglas

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

Well that doesn't bode well, but I will research mediation techniques just in case... you never know.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

Well I for one would like to see it.

RE: Why do folk with agendas try to push loaded questions.

Unless the facts are so poorly documented and hidden because their nature is compromising to some. Not everything in heaven and earth can be googled with government approval. Ask Wiki.