Gullible

I was just reading this post on the recent news about this Filipina who is going to be executed in Indonesia. I feel so sorry for her but I cannot help but wonder why some people prey on other people who appear to be vulnerable and gullible? Don't they have anything else to do with their lives? Whether it is online or in real life, some people like to prey on others to extract money from them. It is amazing how they are so heartless. I do not blame the victims. Some people say that they have no brains because they allowed themselves to be victims. But remember, we do not know know the whole story why they gave in to this scams.

When will society ever change?
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about 4 month ago a dad threw his own 5 years old daughter

over a bridge she was alive now declared insane it happened here

in Florida
As for gullibility, without trust, what are we?

Also, criticising people for not having information, or skills they don't yet have seems a little illogical.
@jac not Philippines but in Malaysia and yeah packed her suitcase for her and put in the stash.
My mistake. Geography was never my strong point.
@ DH...

Does that sound like the actions of a sane man? dunno
Whatever the truth is in this particular case, taking another life is inhuman. Does a person that commits intentional or even been implicated in a crime against the society, that is for the Local Law Courts to determine, deserves to serve his/hers sentence in a rehabilitation centre instead of ending another life which might also by time results as innocent. Is our justice infallible?
We come to more truths for travellers. Never let a stranger hold your luggage. Always double check your bags before checking them at the airport.
Why should holding a foreign passport make one immune to local laws?
By the way, Marie Jane Veloso doesn't speak any English and certainly no Indonesian. At her trail she was given a not qualified translator and sentenced to death. Lawyers from the Philippines took her case again to the court based on the fact that she never had a fair trail and it got dismissed.
It's well known that corruption and injustice are a given in Indonesia.
Rodrigo Gularte has a long history of mental illness. Indonesia does not accept his paranoid schizophrenia as a reason to not apply the death sentence. Any civilized country sends such criminals to a closed mental ward to do their time.
I could go on and on but bottom line is, you really did hit a nerve by coming up here and call Marie Jane gullible.
Some people would say Indonesians haven no brains, hearts and don't even realize they're the victims of tomorrow.
Balibali,
but why did u stay in Indo for so long? dunno
Good question Guandal...
when I lived in Tunisia because my ex husband been called by Tunisian government to help them in health facilities, we didn't like the system they have... but when we criticize them, they said "this is my country, we do like we want... you don't like our way, you go back to your country!". I answered to them "your government called us to help your country!" and they say "say no !! and stay in your country or you shut up !" and yes... we all expats just shut our mouth up !!

as simple as that and life goes on !!

Indonesians should say the same....
@ Guadal, it was the only place in the world where I could buy a drivers license professor I sure know why I've left.
not only in indonesia you could BUY the driving lisense... some center african countries, you could even buy their passport !!!
BaliBali.... we are NOT talking about tobacco or cig or whatsoever... please do not change the topic that you have poked... we are talking about how you critisize our president and discredit our government in handling these drug dealer, ok... please stay in the topic....
and for your information I worked for WHO for 7 years in Geneva and my ex husband even still work for WHO till now, 17 years... we know better about what is actually WHO than you... so, please keep that press release for you only...
wave Thank you for calling me having a brain of pembantu (maid everyone if you dont know the meaning). Now I know that you are not my level.... thank you Bali for showing us your quality too

No point in debating this case with such foreigner who live and enjoy my country. We have proverb in our laguange for a person like you : kacang lupa kulit and besar pasak daripada tiang rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing

I am done everyone... stormylady, thanks for nice blog... good night
people may also have reason to doubt the humanity of managers of all sorts: be it industrial, (world) bank, state....
there is even reason to doubt humanity in people themselves...
oh one more Bali... enjoy living in Bali and having complete domestic staff (maid, driver, nany, gardener, security man, you name it) and huge house (house not apart) because I am sure when you are back to Switzerland... you would never be able to have all those helps. Maybe femme de menage that you pay hourly per week... and I am so proud that Indonesian maid has a brain as good as I am.... wine wine wine dancing dancing wine wine wine
Indonesia has chosen to honor Nelson Mandela at the African-Asian-Conference held from 19.-24.4.15 in Bandung and Jakarta. Delegates from over 100 countries were invited.
Mandela was the most visionary leader in the fight to protect and promote human rights. He devoted his entire life to humanity and his long walk to freedom proved his enduring respect for human dignity. He struggled in the fight for human rights and equality in a country that also had implemented unacceptable " laws that needed to be respected ". His courage and integrity and his commitment was remarkable. He fought against inequality and injustice. He believed that everyone has the right to life and that Capital Punishment was unconstitutional. He said never again will people from his country be subjected to the BARBARIC PRACTICE OF CAPITAL PUNISHMENT. South Africa and indeed the entire African continent respect and honour his legacy.

Widodo can not even walk in his shadow. Moreover He has disrespected Mandelas core beliefs. Mandelas images and quotes should have never been removed from Bandung and Jakarta because Widodo and his cabinet are utterly disrespecting all that Nelson Mandela stood for.

What a cruel joke! The executions were held off until after the conferences because "it wouldn't be nice to kill people with so many guests"
@ Gudal, there's only one special K on this site - she's the exception to the norm. Ausnahmen bestaetigen ja bekanntlich die Regel.
You this post was not calling her Gullible nor was this against any government at all. This was basically about why people would prey on other people. It is not about her. It is about those thousands of victims who are fleeced out of their money or in this case being put to death because of drugs. Does it give them power to make some people their victims?
I've heard there is more poppy growing in Afghanistan nowadays under the eyes of US military, than ever before....
Hi stormylady... apa kabar? damang teteh... wave wave

Thank you for coming back to your blog. I believe that was your intention of rising this topic.... then someone tried to show off simply think that her experiences is better than the rest of us here about certain topic (which actually only read a bunch of articles)... but obvious she never meet anybody with drug problems like what Ken has or be in any country with worse situation than Indonesia like what Mr G said...

have a good Sunday everyone...
Ignoring the fact the last post was all over the rainbow and somewhat unfocused, I will focus on one thought conveyed.

"No innocent person should ever be murdered simply because of a belief that the guilty should be murdered as punishment."

First an execution legally is not a Murder. Murder is the intentional illegal killing of a Human. The key word here is illegal. If the law allows it, then it is not illegal. You may not like it, but that does not change the meaning of the word.

A judicially sanctioned execution is not a murder.

Second, my counter thought is "no innocent person should ever die as the result of the illegal actions of another.

This of course includes those who profit from the sale of drugs and thereby cause deaths and suffering. Acknowledged it takes two to tango, but when one walks away with money in their pocket while the other one dies, something is wrong with a system allowing that.

Regarding the fact a smuggler was caught going out instead of coming in. What difference? The crime is having the quantity he did while inside Indonesia. What his intent was after acquiring them illegally or in another place is immaterial. He was in Indonesia when he had it. That is all that is important. Kill him and be done with it so he can never do it again. Of course the flip side is also true. Execute the one who gave it to him too. Also the person who gave it to that person, etc. All the way up the chain, and also include whoever got the monies.

The other 20 topics or side bars raised, I will let someone else write to them, if they wish to spend the time.
@Sormy, Yes i agree with your use of the word gullible. With that Filipina perhaps soon to be executed, her trust was misplaced. I was just wondering what happened to her godsister who recruited her in the first place. You know back in my home country, the Phils, godparents are impt people in our lives. They are said to be our second parents hence godparents children, our god sisters and godbrothers are sibling like. More so in Veloso's case as she was raised in the province.That's why it is of great disbelief why such a godsister would do that to her. Or that maybe, just like in the case of the 2 Australians, she was able to do it before and got away with it. As with Bali, yes I agree that there are pushers because there is a demand. It takes two to tango. There will be no sellers if there's no buyers. Or that there won't be buyers if there are no sellers. Either way, both are guilty. Iam just disturb why when all the glaring evidence is present, why would some people strike the humanity chord for the criminals who have been proclaimed rehabilitated when nobody really knows the sincerity of their actions. Some people want to give a second chance for the sake of humanity when in fact some people who have died early due to drug related incidence didn't get that same kind of chance. Quite perplexing. I maybe branded with a maid's mind too but what the heck. For the truth to be known I was once a housemaid here in Japan earning something like 30,000US Dollars several decades ago. So if one would brand me with a maid's brain, I won't die with such a sharp tonque. Just maybe someone belongs to the white supremacy clique. It's just hard to be measured from the pt of view of a highly modern society and we just a third world Asian country with entirely different beliefs and culture. Seems like to be accepted in the modern league means to bow down to whatever they want to the extent of meddling internal affairs. I remember the case of an American youth who was punished with lashes in Singapore many decades ago. Many sectors made a plea but nothing came out of it. The lashes were given not so sure if they're reduced though. Indeed some devious men play on some vulnerable and gullible people. It's just a dog eats dog world. Disgusting!
@Ken:
"Somewhat unfocussed"? Hilarious!

So you prefer pure semantics and irrelevancy to the arguments actually offered?

For any rational, caring person, execution is but legally sanctioned murder. The language (murder) is appropriate to the nature of the punishment, rather than hiding it behind some cloak of civility (execution).

Such a blind adherence (as you display) to any specific "legality" is incredibly dangerous and narrow-minded, and the very foundation of exactly the kind of brutality being discussed.

The people we (well, most of us) consider most highly today would cringe at your words. Ghandi, Mandela et al.

Good on you for passing the buck on to others to argue, Ken, because your arguments were truly abysmal. It's hard to believe you even read my post with any comprehension.

@tatami
Why would anyone deny them the chance of proving their rehabilitation? That's what execution does, unfortunately! I am under the impression that they have been observed quite intently, and people (with open eyes) are very impressed with what they have done.
That is the law in that country, if you don't like the way things are handled there then go elsewhere.
Capital punishment or death penalty is not necessary for a country like Indonesia. There are so many islands, even uninhabitated, that all sorts of people who deserve it in the (blind) eyes of the law could be enclosed there and produce their own food and other stuff.
Just like Panama did it for example, and the Philippines, too, I guess.
Thank you Outside of Bali for all the explanation. I learned a lot. Now if we can rally and write all the ambassadors of the other countries to do the same . I will write immediately to my government what can be done.

I wasn't aware of this until now.
OUTSIDEOFBALI,

I've just signed too...thanks!

Let's hope for the best...angel
Thank you Crazyheart bouquet
OutsideofBali,

NO...it's me who must thank youbouquet

Thank you for spreading awareness and shedding a bright light...many are in the dark and badly need and would appreciate that lightthumbs up thumbs up thumbs up
Killing people for taking drugs OUT of the country confused They are spending money to remove drugs from a country and are then rewarded by getting killed by the government they are actually helping in their fight against drugs. dunno Something seriously wrong here I suspect.
Signed and campaigning Bali, we've a long way to go.
here is a link, no idea if it works:

hddp:/Ken19.drugs.com.wants-to-be-shot-dead-through-the-heart-with-a-winchester-in-Indonesia
@ Gudal, the link isn't working cos it's a riffle
I have been rude here and called people names, but it did not make things better....
stormy
I feel for the woman who was used as a drug mule...she appears to be a victim...as for the others involved...they knew the risk of getting caught with drugs in Indonesia...the death penalty...

Although I do not support the death penalty in general...when I am travelling to any foreign countries...I educate myself on their laws and abide by their laws...
The first lines are messed up. Should have been my last word for you. And I don't want to even say your name.

Bali, I forwarded the link to some of my friends and hopefully we'll make an impact. Where's the vigil Bali?
I'm not aware of public vigils in the USA except the call to gather at Indonesian embassies worldwide.

If you like I can request that you'll be accepted in some closed FB groups. Just mail me your FB. The groups had to be turned into closed groups to keep the hate full voices out.
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