serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa2,821 posts
Of course it is important that you have the same beliefs!.. Imagine how confusing it would be for the children if their parents had different religious views
serena123: Of course it is important that you have the same beliefs!.. Imagine how confusing it would be for the children if their parents had different religious views
My mum never spoke in German as she thought it would confuse us as children. The reality is that kids easily take on two languages without confusion.
It was a little confusing to grow up with two cultures, but that was due to external prejudices. It all fit in rather neatly at home.
One could argue that being raised with two belief systems creates more open-minded and less indoctrinated children who are able to choose their own belief system. Furthermore, there is a lot of overlap with many religions.
NidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia1,430 posts
Yes, definitely. Imagine an atheist being married to a fundamentalist (any religion).
Even if the couple gets along, it's often the families who push their family member to bring the other into the fold (by official conversion usually) or who rag on it esp. when it comes to the religion of the children.
NidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia1,430 posts
jac_the_gripper: My mum never spoke in German as she thought it would confuse us as children. The reality is that kids easily take on two languages without confusion.
It was a little confusing to grow up with two cultures, but that was due to external prejudices. It all fit in rather neatly at home.
One could argue that being raised with two belief systems creates more open-minded and less indoctrinated children who are able to choose their own belief system. Furthermore, there is a lot of overlap with many religions.
Jac, I was friends with a couple (He was jewish, she was a devout christian). They were my neighbors, so I knew them very well. They raised their kids in both religions. Between school, church and temple, those kids had no free time to go out and play etc. I'm sure the kids had no trouble with the religions per se, but the time involved to observe all the holidays and traditions, it became a matter of overkill, you know.
serena123: Of course it is important that you have the same beliefs!.. Imagine how confusing it would be for the children if their parents had different religious views
Religion is a personal choice for every individual. Confusing for a children, WHY? A child still has the right to choose, a parent has no right to inflict their belief on them. I have never said to my children there is no God, they can make up their own mind, which they have.
serena123: Of course it is important that you have the same beliefs!.. Imagine how confusing it would be for the children if their parents had different religious views
I would change my identity if one parent of mine was Jewish, and the other Muslim.
serena123durban, KwaZulu-Natal South Africa2,821 posts
ziggy67: Religion is a personal choice for every individual. Confusing for a children, WHY? A child still has the right to choose, a parent has no right to inflict their belief on them. I have never said to my children there is no God, they can make up their own mind, which they have.
Children are influenced by their parents more than you can imagine.. Eventualy they do make their own choices I agree ..but I think there has to be a stable grounding.. Jmo, if some choose to let their kids "find their own way in life" that's thier choice
Nidifugous: Jac, I was friends with a couple (He was jewish, she was a devout christian). They were my neighbors, so I knew them very well. They raised their kids in both religions. Between school, church and temple, those kids had no free time to go out and play etc. I'm sure the kids had no trouble with the religions per se, but the time involved to observe all the holidays and traditions, it became a matter of overkill, you know.
Parents of one religion can do that.
Parents of no religion, but who take their kids to lots of extra curricular activities and demand long hours of practice can do that.
That 'over-kill' thing is a matter of management and understanding children's needs. Maybe some kids are happy with that kind of structured lifestyle, maybe some aren't. Maybe some kids get to play with other kids from their church, or ballet lessons, rather than play with the neighbours, or in the street.
It's easy to criticise from the outside without fully knowing the details of people's lifestyles. I've been anonymously reported to social services for 'not letting my daughter believe in Santa'. It's even funnier given she was 15 years old at the time.
Everyone has their own value framework and parents do what they think is right for their children and every parent makes mistakes. I don't recall a handbook falling out with the placenta.
I don't see why both should have to share the same beliefs. I'd like to believe there was something greater but I am not religious in any meaningful way, and so the only reference I have is political belief.
Anyway, women of the 98% passively believe in whatever her social milieu believes in. Which in Britain(and the West)will means she believes in equalism, liberalism and political correctness - She is a trend-follower and rarely, if ever, a trendsetter - and I believe in none of these things. And so personally the fact that I rebel against these things means that I can capitalise on having my own beliefs. Girls do love a rebel.
NidifugousYap, Federated States of Micronesia1,430 posts
jac_the_gripper: Parents of one religion can do that.
Parents of no religion, but who take their kids to lots of extra curricular activities and demand long hours of practice can do that.
That 'over-kill' thing is a matter of management and understanding children's needs. Maybe some kids are happy with that kind of structured lifestyle, maybe some aren't. Maybe some kids get to play with other kids from their church, or ballet lessons, rather than play with the neighbours, or in the street.
It's easy to criticise from the outside without fully knowing the details of people's lifestyles. I've been anonymously reported to social services for 'not letting my daughter believe in Santa'. It's even funnier given she was 15 years old at the time.
Everyone has their own value framework and parents do what they think is right for their children and every parent makes mistakes. I don't recall a handbook falling out with the placenta.
Of course there isn't a handbook for parents and nobody is perfect, but with younger children, (my neighbor's two boys were 6 and 8), parents guide and influence their lives significantly. Unlike your 15 year old daughter who was clearly old enough to make up her own mind, a child half or less that age isn't. At that young age, the parent(s) dictate the agenda.
My neighbors were actually very well educated and wanted the best for the boys (meaning not short-change them and expose them to the full experience of growing up jewish and christian). So when I say overkill, it's not a criticism in the bad sense as if they were doing harm, but they were trying to do EVERYTHING right. If one wanted to raise kids with two religions, their way would, imo, be the right way to do it. What I'm saying is that religion, if practiced by the book, is not comparable to football practice or a piano lesson.
Sadly I lost contact when the couple divorced. I do know that the mom went on to graduate school in theology, but I don't know what happened to the boys. I'm sure they're adults now and found their own way.
Nidifugous: Of course there isn't a handbook for parents and nobody is perfect, but with younger children, (my neighbor's two boys were 6 and 8), parents guide and influence their lives significantly. Unlike your 15 year old daughter who was clearly old enough to make up her own mind, a child half or less that age isn't. At that young age, the parent(s) dictate the agenda.
My neighbors were actually very well educated and wanted the best for the boys (meaning not short-change them and expose them to the full experience of growing up jewish and christian). So when I say overkill, it's not a criticism in the bad sense as if they were doing harm, but they were trying to do EVERYTHING right. If one wanted to raise kids with two religions, their way would, imo, be the right way to do it. What I'm saying is that religion, if practiced by the book, is not comparable to football practice or a piano lesson.
Sadly I lost contact when the couple divorced. I do know that the mom went on to graduate school in theology, but I don't know what happened to the boys. I'm sure they're adults now and found their own way.
I think we're talking at cross purposes, Nidi.
My point was, trying to get your kids to focus so much on one, or two things will always be at the expense of other things, regardless of whether it's religion, or wanting them to be a virtuoso, or prima ballerina.
Sometimes kids can just learn the violin, can just dance, or share their time between two religions, rather than doing everything full on. We don't need to be better than everyone else, or perfectionists at the expense of other valuable and important things.
When my mum was frowned upon for not taking us to church every Sunday, she would say, "It's holier to carry an elderly person's shopping home for them than to show off your best hat in church."
I happen to agree with her that there is more than one way to lead a spiritual and fulfilling life.
I was also making the point that maybe the kids weren't missing out on anything, just like my daughter didn't miss out on the Santa thing that I never did, right from when she was a baby. We had our own way of doing things and she had a grand old time.
Even if had taken part in a religion that was okay with these types of arrangements, I doubt I could survive the misery of seeing two (or more) females butting heads all day.
Even if had taken part in a religion that was okay with these types of arrangements, I doubt I could survive the misery of seeing two (or more) females butting heads all day.
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