Guns in schools...

Right after every school shooting, both sides of the 'gun' issue think they have the answer.
In a previous blog I stated nothing will get fixed. No one has the answer and if they actually did, the issue would get 'shot down' by the side who disagrees with the solution.

Repeating my comment from that blog:
My prediction: For or against, nothing will happen. Nothing will get fixed.

Doing some research, I found a few sites that explain some current gun laws and how it affects schools. There are variances from state to state, but basically (other than security and law enforcement) possession of a gun in a school is a crime.

Uvalde, Texas massacre has so many errors and why the police didn't confront the shooter. I read "there’s no doubt some of those children bled to death while waiting for police to make entry"

One of the possible solutions that's been kicked around for years is to arm the teachers.
Personally, I think that's a bad idea and just to be sure, I asked a security guard who is a retired police police from New York and also served in the U.S. Army for his opinion on the subject.
His reply: "Bad idea, very bad idea"
Before I could ask for an explanation he was offering a few details.
He explained that Military training lasts for months and as a soldier you live the job.
Police academy last for months and while it's a job, you have to be mentally conditioned to fulfill the responsibility.
Teachers aren't allowed to discipline unruly students and now you want to arm them?
Consider the enormous liability he said. You have to train every teacher to accept the position of security, issue weapons. Where do they keep the guns...? lockup?
His sister-in-law would give her resignation. She's a teacher and not security.
He went on to say, there are lots of retired cops and former military who are suited for positions as security and not some overweight guy with a gun and keys who is one notch above janitor.

I agreed with him. The only guns that should be allowed in schools would be in the hands of trained professionals hired in security positions.

The issue is will something actually be done?
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Guns attract guns doh

I agree with you nothing will change. sadly sad flower
It has a lot to do with the American ideology:
"A free man is allowed to have a gun".
A horrible mistake !
Did you ever wonder why we in Europe on the whole don't have this problem?
For instance in Germany you need to apply for a firearm license.
AND you need a VERY good reason why you need it.

Frederic
Their solution is take the guns away from everyone who obtains them legally. How many shootings are done with illegal guns? Criminals have their own supply train that avoids the law.
We have countries and cities and states where no guns are allowed. Yet shootings happen. Chicago has strict laws and most shootings. So no guns in the public. Then criminals will break into army bases and steal those. Or lob a bottle of flaming gas into a crowded bar. Or run over people with a car. The old saw is where there is a will, there is a way.
We need to find out why there is a will.
I was asked once to teach a girl how to use a pistol. Her dad said he wanted to buy her one to take to college. I asked if she ever shot before. No. Hunted? No. Ok..if you put a bunny in a cage in front of her and said shoot it could she kill it...uh..no. I said then she has no right to own a gun. One must be able AND willing to kill. Once you point that gun, you have to be willing to fire if needed. Only thing she would have happen is that person to take her gun and shoot HER! Just give her a spray can of wasp killer to carry.
I grew up with guns. Hunted. Saw what death is as a child. Now we have kids growing up on shooting games, killing movies, hate songs. We need to change culture, not hide guns.
Don't need guns in schools..Your barbaric law needs to be fixed
Did you see that movie 'bout when only Police & Military have guns? ...
"Schindler's List."
I'm just guessing but think the Dr is bein somewhat sarcastic.

When I think back to when I was at school I remember a maths teacher who if he had a gun would have used it to casually encourage us to complete our homework on time.

Some teachers are vicious psychopaths and the idea of arming them with any kind of weapon terrifies me.

Far better to employ ex-military who have had formal training in using guns, teachers teach, they are not security guards. I don't know a single valid teacher who would want to be in a position whereby he could shoot an ex-pupil in front of a class of students.

Where would the gun be kept? If under lock and key I doubt the teacher would have time to retrieve it, if in a holster, that is displaying the wrong message to the students.

America needs to start to teach that shooting someone is not the answer, dialog is where they should be
My prediction: blue states will tighten their gun laws, red states will loosen theirs. sigh
Have any of the CS gun lawmakers ever considered that those who want a gun that a complete psychiatric review should be given first to determine if potential gun owners are mentally and emotionally fit to handle a gun then find a justification why they need or want a gun.

Guns by themselves do not kill its the idiot pulling the trigger.

When boys and girls join the military to handle military toys some are subjected to psychological tests to discern they can be responsible enough with the equipment they are responsible for. A classic example are fighter pilots.

Fighter pilots are given a $100,000,000 fighter jet fully loaded and the risk is who may snap and want to defect and betray their country.

Didn't we have a U.S. soldier who defected to the Taiban when they were in power?

Most of the school shootings are most probably caused by mentally ill kids or needed counseling.

The problem is most behaviors go unchecked and kids are often bullied and criticized because they may not fit in with the crowd.

Kids often comceal their hatred and pain from criticism and it is often carried around all a person's life. They lose their self esteem and often fall into depression. Many will use drugs and alcohol or do petty crime until they move up to killing one another with stolen or untraceable guns.

So, maybe what is needed is periodic psychological tests to determine those who get a permit to carry just like they have in some states periodic driver tests for cars.

If proven your behavior is not up to a standard set by top gun psychiatrists and or psychologists no license no gun.

If people on CS had to take a psychological test to determine if they are fit to have a relationship I think many would be taken off this site and forever banned.


professor
Bob…forget network TV. Hollywood is giving me top notch movies for free now. CIGARS! If that doesn’t alert anyone I don’t know what will! dunno
From your quoted article:-

"The United States also has had the highest number of public mass shootings, defined as those that occur in relatively public places, according to a 2015 study conducted by University of Alabama criminology professor Adam Lankford.".

I suggest it is people like you who refuse to see any problems are the cause of so many unnecessary deaths.
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