Modern Divorce vs the old ways.

Mark 10
“Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?”
Christ replied,
“What did Moses command you?”
They said,
"Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her.”

Modern definition of divorce:
the legal dissolution of a marriage by a court or other competent body.

Now heres something I noticed about this concept
Official marriage documents werent invented until the md 19th century according to wiki.
And the 10 commandments are presumably written between the 16th and 13th centuries BCE to after 750 BCE.

To refer back to:
"Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her.”
There is another discrepancy with this statement. Only scholars or man of status could read and write but the commandments were written for all and Moses had just freeed his people. So there is no way a former slave could read or write.
So its safe to say all was done by word of mouth, lets not forget the FIRST tablet had divine scripture which Moses smashed when he returned to see not only fornication but murder amongst men and and gang rape of women and highly likely children too.
Lead by an Egyptian man who was disowned by his own because of the blood markings above his door, which made him as equal as the slaves he used to oppress.

Moses with the acute sense of insight, foresight and vision, foresaw the cruelty of men even after he left this world.

See what you do not know about the first tablet was, as Moses threw the tablet, before it hit the ground a massive lightning bolt passed through the tablet shattering it into dust. For the tablet itself was Sacred and Heaven made was forbidden for it to touch the soil in the first place
Tthe lightning bolt did not stop there oh no the same bolt passed through the soil and hit an air pocket to create the greatest underground explosion.

But with a single command Moses told the earth to leave the women and innocent. Moses was so enraged with the actions of the men abusing the women and children death was their reward.

So if most of the men were killed who was the approval of divorce, by word of mouth, written for?
The women and why?
"A man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’; so then they are no longer two, but one flesh."
How does two flesh become one?
Through a child no?
"Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."
So with that said, divorce means abortion in the old times yes?

And that you had to obtain approval from the pregnant woman to have the abortion, so you could go f%%k another woman to get HER pregnant yes?

It was highly unlikely that a woman would want a divorce unless it was forced upon her, for their innate love and protection for a child was fierce in a cruel barbaric world they lived in.

Wouldnt adultery then in modern terms be classed as murder?

Food for thought?
Ty for reading.peace
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What is the most important part of the story?

John 8:3-11

3 The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery, and placing her in the midst 4 they said to him, “Teacher, this woman has been caught in the act of adultery. 5 Now in the Law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do you say?” 6 This they said to test him, that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground. 7 And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground. 9 But when they heard it, they went away one by one, beginning with the older ones, and Jesus was left alone with the woman standing before him. 10 Jesus stood up and said to her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said, “Neither do I condemn you; go, and from now on sin no more.”]]

This is the most important part, because its fabricated, Christ is The Scholar of all scholars The WRiter of all writers, the words he uttered were with cunning and wit. Therefore he did not say this to her at all. Why? because he NEVER contradicts himself. to say "go sin no more" IS condemning her. Which means one of two things Christ is lying or someone wrote the end part in, without permission.

What say you?
I'm rethinking all this bible thing.

I can't see, feel, hear, touch, smell him. Is anyone there? dunno
Here's a question on the modern version:

I had a friend (seriosly) whose wife ran off to another country with someone she met online. This buddy of mine tried divorcing her through the court system but as he did not know her address or contact details the court couldn't annul the marriage. I was wondering how many years it would take in a case like this for annulment caused by desertion to come into effect?
Maybe a similar scenario could be if ones wife gets lost at sea, how long before the marriage gets annulled if no body is found?uh oh
The bible isnt the problem its the ones who re-wrote into English and those that interpret its meaning to fit their agenda.

Few are able to undo the discrepancies, even fewer still are willing to share openly the original book.

I have another blog that touches on how I see Heaven.
So basically, never marry then? If you wanna be on the safe side.
Me I don't like human court papers. IF I ever gonna marry (doubtful) a girl it will be in silence up on a high hill in front of God himself. No parework and no economy involved. Period. That is what I consider marriage.
Fixed. Too late here for me, night all. sleep
Take a guess, it is a nice teaching story.
Hint, what is missing?
I had an excon Schizophrenic Meth head read it and got it immediately.
It was impressive.
Have you been married? Have you seen the marriage /divorce stats?
But arranged marriages have fewer divorces.
Lived with many women and made a single marriage mistake.
Never again.
Someone said always rent, boats, planes, cars, homes and women.
Lottery money I'm going all in on rentals.

First I am no expert in the laws of modern divorce or annulments.
Second this is a subject that requires a whole new blog of its own imho

But heres a link that might help your friend if he too lives in south africa

Divorce might be his only option and see if he can win the case by just her not turning up. I honestly dont know this is my best guess.
If it was church based they can annul.
Otherwise declare her missing and dead takes about seven years.

Thanks for the reply. His home country is France and he possibly is catholic, if I can recall. Not that it really matters as I haven't spoken to him in years. Thanks again.cheers
I also heard something to that effect. Seven or ten years voids the contract. Thanks for your input, really appreciated. cheers
If you're talking about the men who committed adultery with her, they are in the story. They are the men who are holding the stones. (Nearly all of them).
Christ stood up for a reason to meet eye to eyee with every man who slept with mary. while saying "let any man without sin cast the first stone" Christ locked eyes and paused on every man who slept with her. Christ also stood to prepare for any of them to try and cast a stone her way.
Wow you can leap tall buildings with a single bound. Talk about jumping to conclusions.

NO man could scrawl or print on a piece of papyrus and divorce his wife. He had to apply for the certificate from the elders of his religious community. Men paid a dowry to her family to marry a woman, and while yes she became, in effect, his property, she was supposed to be his 'most valued asset'. Ancient Hebrew law definitely protected the role of those valued assets, even though men did have priority. You're wildly mixing up ancient and modern.

I was stuck in a church school for 12 years, I got to know the bible fairly well sigh plus am interested in comparative theology so re-read it, and three other religious sources (other religions) with mild interest, as an adult. Have to say your "first tablet" story was news to me. Fairly sure the King James version focused more on Moses coming down the mountain to find the naughty Israelites worshipping Baal - re-read those commandments - rather than rampant sex and child abuse, not to mention wiping out all the men. Seems quite a big event to accidentally leave out, what is your source here?

Always a risk, when you mix your own beliefs into the mix, of being eyed askance. The devil can quote Scripture for his purpose and you report here like a modern journalist. That's not a compliment.

As for divorce means abortion, give me strength.
Let me break it down for you about the core of this blog
Because clearly you cant seem to so the obvious logical connection of what Christ was actually saying

Christ is a highly intelligent Son passed on from Father and Mother
in which he wrote in two Methods, Literal and in Parables(Riddles)

"A man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife"

A man leaves his father and mother is a physical act correct?
and be joined to his wife is also a physical act through sex correct?
there is no other logical way to be joined to a woman other than sex true?

And to prove this point Christ continues on to say
"and the two shall become one flesh"
meaning two bodies become one body a true marriage of two flesh becoming one.
"shall become" means overtime
Then Christ further emphasizes his point of a pregnant woman by saying
"so then they are no longer two, but one flesh"
meaning in 9 months time there will be one flesh
This is Christ's point of what Marriage means to Him
For He is Speaking on Fathers Behalf so that also means Christ's message is Father's message spoken through Christ

Simply put Christ was saying Marriage means Pregnancy in Heaven
Then Christ says
"Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
ONLY Father can join two flesh and make one flesh through a child correct?
let not man separate refers to a physical separation meaning divorce no?
and to emphasize this Christ says
Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her.
Saying whoever seeks abortion against his wife just to have a child with another woman commits adultery(murder) against her.

If this is not as logical and literal as I could possibly explain, then you are too intelligent and wise for me to simplify Christ's statement.

But thank you to those who have common sense and logic to be able to understand this

I will answer ur other points later for now I will let this sit a few days before I continue ur argument.
I like your way of thinking when you say child handshake
and I can understand why you might think that, even if your way of thinking is wrong ..JMO.

I like the phase " man cannot live on bread alone" maybe that too explains how two become one, or should ..with no need for crumbs for thought either confused

"Crumbs" as in babies conversing

In my books completion is as important as creation.
Did you read my breakdown in my last post?(now 2nd to last)
Do you have theoretical or factual information to prove me wrong?
It is 7 years Lukeon. not seen or heard for 7 years, you can divorce the person, Jenny
He should hire a private detective to find her and serve papers professor
Thanks for that info Jenny. Do you perhaps have any links etc to support this. I also heard it was 7 or so years but never could find anything concrete on it.
Tnx again.
That was one of the first things he done. Apparently it's difficult to find someone in China that chooses not to be found. laugh
I did some research based on the laws around marriage and divorce in France

To annul a marriage is much more difficult to achieve than divorce.
which is based on Relative nullity or absolute nullity

Divorce on the grounds of fault

A divorce pour faute involves court proceedings. A judge must establish that one or both parties violated the duties and obligations of marriage. The offending spouse may have to pay some of the costs of the proceedings. If both spouses have committed a fault, the judge can pronounce a divorce with shared blame. A fault can be:

-adultery (although this is rarely considered a fault if the spouses have already separated)
-lack of marital support (for example, in the case of illness)
-lack of respect (this can include verbal or physical violence or ill-treatment)
-a break in the partnership (communauté de vie), such as when a spouse leaves the household
-a refusal to contribute to joint living expenses

Divorce on the grounds of a definitive severing of marital ties

You can ask for a divorce pour altération définitive du lien conjugal if you wish to divorce, but your spouse has not committed a fault. However, you must have been living apart from your spouse for at least one year to initiate proceedings yourself. If both partners ask for a divorce jointly, this one-year delay is unnecessary. A local family court hears the case. You must show proof of a severing of marital ties, such as separate utility bills. This form of divorce concerns 10–13% of all divorce proceedings in France.
1st tablet is common knowledge so with your educated background you have never known about the 1st tablet?
Ever heard of google? if that is not enough you can follow it up from some of the most knowledgeable libraries in the world to prove me wrong.

What isnt known and is only assumed is what was written on the first tablet, but it was definitely NOT the 6 commandments that are not.
I reiterate that commandments are different from laws from Heaven's point of view go read one of my previous blogs to understand my point of view on this matter.
Thanks for the effort. Really did not expect you to go into such detail. I guess these days international law applies to most countries in the west. Thanks again.thumbs up handshake
No Hebrew were allowed to read or write from Egyptian law in the first place, to control and manage an estimated 1 million Hebrew slaves of men women and children.
To control that large amount of slaves would be total and brutal dominance. Strip them of their language and culture. For example any Hebrew found speaking their tongue is whipped and denied food. A curfew law was enforced to prevent the large population from escaping by whipping their women and children publicly and killling the men that tried to escape. Being in the middle of the desert u weren't going to get far with malnutrition. Their rewards for doing a good job of the day was food they weren't paid with money but whips food and alcohol.
Now the Hebrew people would have practiced their ways in doors and only during the times of when soldier patrols werent passing their areas. The original king that won the war against the Hebrew nation was fiercely against the view of being One god versus their 2000 plus gods whom they worshiped. So to deprive them of their belief in god was to let them pray to a god that doesnt answer for their freedom for 200+ years. Now the first population within the first 50-100 years would pray to no response. The 2nd hunderd years the population would mentally be conditioned with acceptance of being a slave. They would not know anything else. WOuld YOU believe. if you were a hebrew slave, in god, while being re-instituted with Egyptian gods, after 200 - 400 years of oppression?

Also the Egyptian king had to provide food for his own population as well as the Hebrew people and well he had the numbers to farm fields and create sustainable produce. Wine was the biggest exploit the Egyptians provided to the Hebrews
How best to control the oppressed anger in large numbers? Easy give men alcohol, and guess who gets the short end of that stick? women and other men. You will believe in god for so long when he doesnt answer your prayers.

The original purpose of a dowry was to compensate the bride's family for the loss of her labour and her reproductive potential. this was while under Egyptian law and oppression

Now you cant tell me the Egyptian populous did not abuse Hebrew women because women had NO rights in those days and had it worse because they took oppression from their own.
as well. Many men did the harder laboring jobs while women worked in the houses and the farms of Egypt. Why do you think before the time of Ramses the 1st of killing the first born? They were getting Hebrew women pregnant and to control the Hebrew population. men are men and without a conscience will always take advantage of women slaves.

With all this said being conditioned with slave mentality to then be completely free, you really think they werent going to abuse their own? men fighting men women fighting women open gang sex, forced sex. Its not hard to make that leap. But that is just a theory though right? Because no one actually knows. And the provided stories are sketchy and suspect at best.
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