No hope for Iran (267)
BebeII: The means of killing make no difference to me-murder is murder. You still haven't named the christians and jews who regularly and in God's name murder muslims. As I said in an earlier post, MOST of the chemical weapons technology was provided by German firms, though we are responsible for aiding Hussein in that war. The Ayatollah's were seen as more radical and dangerous at the time than Hussein was and so we supported him when he started the war against Iran to dampen any enthusiasm his shia population may have had for the revolution next door.
Don’t you think your former president used that word “crusade “ for so many times until it had been criticized and you cannot deny his radical views , as for Jews the state of Isreal itself a terrorist state, though I believe Jews have right to live in a Jews state and they have right to defend from its hostile neighbored but how can you defend its killing of so many innocent Palestine? It recently killed more than 1000 people citing that terrorist attacked their country and killed some people(it was less than 5), every body was shocked other than those radical jews
As far as those reasons you showed for Iraq and Iran, I know all these, but that doesn’t legitimize the whole process.
Yes you can say you are a Empire, you can do whatever you like, then I have no counter argument, I argue as I see USA depict itself as a champion of freedom
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ttom500: By the way where were those radical Muslim before 1990 ?
Maybe in Tehran taking over the US Embassy
Maybe on the Achille Laruiel killing one Francis Killenghoffer
Maybe in Beriut, bombing the US Marine Barracks
Maybe in Beriut, bombing the US Embassy
Maybe in Lybia, plotting the PAM AM bombing
Maybe in Algeria, fighting against the French
Maybe in hijacking a number of commercial aircraft and flying them to many foreign countries....
Maybe in south Saudi learning from Whabbist clerics to be Jahidist (bin Laden)
Maybe at the assignation of Awar Sadat in Egypt
Maybe in Lebanon kidnapping Americans
Maybe in Afghanistan/Pakistan in the 1880s, when the Sepoy rebellions occurred against the British.
It goes back a long, long time in history....Enolal
And we know it now. And we are aware of it.
Maybe in Tehran taking over the US Embassy
Maybe on the Achille Laruiel killing one Francis Killenghoffer
Maybe in Beriut, bombing the US Marine Barracks
Maybe in Beriut, bombing the US Embassy
Maybe in Lybia, plotting the PAM AM bombing
Maybe in Algeria, fighting against the French
Maybe in hijacking a number of commercial aircraft and flying them to many foreign countries....
Maybe in south Saudi learning from Whabbist clerics to be Jahidist (bin Laden)
Maybe at the assignation of Awar Sadat in Egypt
Maybe in Lebanon kidnapping Americans
Maybe in Afghanistan/Pakistan in the 1880s, when the Sepoy rebellions occurred against the British.
It goes back a long, long time in history....Enolal
And we know it now. And we are aware of it.
Many of those incidents you cited are not all about radical Muslims, there were incidents about desperate people who wanted freedom from tyrant Empire /Ruler and they happened to be Muslim :there are many such events you can find in history of Europe and USA, in fact your country’s founding fathers were called as terrorist by British Empire.
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Arogn: Don’t you think your former president used that word “crusade “ for so many times until it had been criticized and you cannot deny his radical views , as for Jews the state of Isreal itself a terrorist state, though I believe Jews have right to live in a Jews state and they have right to defend from its hostile neighbored but how can you defend its killing of so many innocent Palestine? It recently killed more than 1000 people citing that terrorist attacked their country and killed some people(it was less than 5), every body was shocked other than those radical jews
As far as those reasons you showed for Iraq and Iran, I know all these, but that doesn’t legitimize the whole process.
Yes you can say you are a Empire, you can do whatever you like, then I have no counter argument, I argue as I see USA depict itself as a champion of freedom
I remember only one time when Bush used the word crusade. He meant it in the same way some muslims use jihad-meaning a struggle, a fight-not as a war of extermination. There have been 13 deaths of jewish people in and around Sderot-far less than those killed by the Israeli military response, that's true. But one has to ask why Hamas fires those rockets from civilian areas? If you want the numbers of hamas fighters killed vs. just civilians see Yaacov lozowicks blog, ruminations. We have been called an empire, but compared to others in history, it's a slim resemblance. We have no territorial claims on any country's land. Yes, we do make some miserable mistakes.As far as those reasons you showed for Iraq and Iran, I know all these, but that doesn’t legitimize the whole process.
Yes you can say you are a Empire, you can do whatever you like, then I have no counter argument, I argue as I see USA depict itself as a champion of freedom
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Alfalfa: Yeah..thank god for his mom, his muslim father sure didn't stick around
Well, well aint u a charmer
Has anyone thought that perhaps ahmedinijad MIGHT'VE actually won. Maybe mousavi is a sore loser?
And why should america b responsible for policing democracy in the world?
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Magenta: Well, well aint u a charmer
Has anyone thought that perhaps ahmedinijad MIGHT'VE actually won. Maybe mousavi is a sore loser?
And why should america b responsible for policing democracy in the world?
Unfortunately Magenta, I hear many liberals/human rights people say "do something" whenever this happens around the world (contested or rigged elections, after election violence, etc.)Has anyone thought that perhaps ahmedinijad MIGHT'VE actually won. Maybe mousavi is a sore loser?
And why should america b responsible for policing democracy in the world?
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Alfalfa: ha ha..there was/is so much hatred for bush that if there was one shred of evidence of misconduct he would have been nailed to the wall...ya'll even tried making crap up (Rathergate)...get your head out of the kool aid and into the truth...you are right in the mix getting screwed like the rest of us...only difference is you asked for it.
Then what the hell was the florida clause and the supreme court all about then? Even the repubs acknowledge what hapnd.
Me thinks it is YOU who has their head buried in the sand!
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Magenta: Well, well aint u a charmer
Has anyone thought that perhaps ahmedinijad MIGHT'VE actually won. Maybe mousavi is a sore loser?
And why should america b responsible for policing democracy in the world?
EXACTLY!! leave them alone....we are a country of convenience for everyone..they crap on us if we don't help, then they crap on us when we DO help, or claim we don't help enough...If act like every other worthless, toothless, country and stopped giving a crap what everyone thought, selfishly concentrated only on our own well being, we would be much better off...maybe there would actually be some frickin gratitude for all the good we have done. Bet you don't know much about that stuff MagentaHas anyone thought that perhaps ahmedinijad MIGHT'VE actually won. Maybe mousavi is a sore loser?
And why should america b responsible for policing democracy in the world?
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Magenta: Then what the hell was the florida clause and the supreme court all about then? Even the repubs acknowledge what hapnd.
Me thinks it is YOU who has their head buried in the sand!
Could you be even more vague?!! I doubt it. You know as well as I do that no laws were broken at least that can be proven post your kool-aid drinking OPINION. In the real world..facts count Magenta...try offering someMe thinks it is YOU who has their head buried in the sand!
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Magenta: Then what the hell was the florida clause and the supreme court all about then? Even the repubs acknowledge what hapnd.
Me thinks it is YOU who has their head buried in the sand!
It was Al Gore who took the issue to the supreme court to decide and he lost by a vote in favor of Bush of 7-2.Me thinks it is YOU who has their head buried in the sand!
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Arogn: Many of those incidents you cited are not all about radical Muslims, there were incidents about desperate people who wanted freedom from tyrant Empire /Ruler and they happened to be Muslim :there are many such events you can find in history of Europe and USA, in fact your country’s founding fathers were called as terrorist by British Empire.
Do you want me to list the Islamic groups that took 'reponsibility' for the acts?
You know as well I do...each was done by a group that was either a terrorist group or would be later designated as one.
Please find me source from the British that called American founding father's terrorist? I would like to read that.
But let me clue you in.
Early in the American Revolution war, the British captured several 1000s of these American terrorist. For the next 4 years they were kept chained in prison ships...poor food....no medical....little water....no hygiene....seldom saw the light of day. The numbers grew in the ships as the war progressed.
The British would not release or trade them, feeling it was a military advantage to hold them. Only after Cornwallis was defeated and taken prisoner at Yorktown were they released. Only 1/2 of them survived.
You would call it a war crime today. It made GITMO look like a walk in the park.
The founding father of this country...because of the prison treatment of these men...had more than enough cause to treat British prisoners with the same disregard. But they did not.
They exchanged them for promise to return to England and not fight. They fed and clothed them with what little they had. They provide medical to them on the battle field and after.
Now please tell me....how many Americans have been taken prisoner in Iraq and Afghanistan? Tell me how they were treated?
Did they receive Gevena convention treatment from the Taliban or
AlQeada? I know the answer....but I am sure others here at CS would like to know.
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BebeII: Unfortunately Magenta, I hear many liberals/human rights people say "do something" whenever this happens around the world (contested or rigged elections, after election violence, etc.)
Thats what the UN is for tho. Unfortunately, It is a toothless tiger
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Magenta: Then what the hell was the florida clause and the supreme court all about then? Even the repubs acknowledge what hapnd.
Me thinks it is YOU who has their head buried in the sand!
Magenta....show us ONE republican who acknowledged ANY part of what you are talking about and I apologize to you on a completely new thread.Me thinks it is YOU who has their head buried in the sand!
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Magenta: Thats what the UN is for tho. Unfortunately, It is a toothless tiger
So you are saying that we should not come to the aid of any of these requests because there is another organization set up to do it that is incapable? 
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BebeII: It was Al Gore who took the issue to the supreme court to decide and he lost by a vote in favor of Bush of 7-2.
That may be so,
However, the florida clause was one big set up. And very shameful of a country that pertains to hold the beacon of democracy.
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Magenta: Well, well aint u a charmer
Has anyone thought that perhaps ahmedinijad MIGHT'VE actually won. Maybe mousavi is a sore loser?
And why should america b responsible for policing democracy in the world?
Has anyone thought that perhaps ahmedinijad MIGHT'VE actually won. Maybe mousavi is a sore loser?
And why should america b responsible for policing democracy in the world?
Magenta, the list of person calling for recounts because of suspected voting problems....the President of France, the President of Germany, Sen. McCain, Sen. Graham, a long list....
A British election watch group....said that two of the Iranian voting districts had more than a 100% vote. They are still trying to figure out if it was computer error or human error.
The Iranian election is a paper ballot. That means a hand count by people. It was a 85% turnout....one of the highest in Iranian histories. Time to count the some 40+ million ballots? 10 hours.
Think that is humanly possible?
I think that there is difference between policing democracies and seeing that illegal election don't occur....that you expose them when they do occur. In fact I think that there is a big difference.
If Pres. A won by such a margin.....follow this a little....why not have a full recount or revote? Surely with a 2 to 1 margin, he cannot fear losing a revote. So it has to be a different reason.
So it comes back to...since he and the Supreme Leader have squelched these options.....that they likely rigged the election.
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Magenta: That may be so,
However, the florida clause was one big set up. And very shameful of a country that pertains to hold the beacon of democracy.
What are you talking about? You are such a shining example of the stereotypical liberal who just throws out meaningless crap that at best is an nothing more than an inarticulate opinion.However, the florida clause was one big set up. And very shameful of a country that pertains to hold the beacon of democracy.
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Alfalfa: Could you be even more vague?!! I doubt it. You know as well as I do that no laws were broken at least that can be proven post your kool-aid drinking OPINION. In the real world..facts count Magenta...try offering some
The facts are some 173,000+ eligible voters werent allowed to do something that is a part of their human right to do so. Your forefathers and soldiers have sacrificed to honor this.
And still today we have people in other countries who die this very day for that same right.
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It amazes me how the modern liberal just refuses to let go of a lie no matter how much evidence is presented to the contrary.
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great party here
all people are soooooooo positive.
it amazes me
all people are soooooooo positive.
it amazes me
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