No hope for Iran (267)
ttom500: As the old saying goes....in the worst of times and in the best times.....one needs some humor.
One of the things that is catching my funny bone (funny bones are near your elbow)...is the Iranian gov't attacks on TWITTER. Now more latter in the post about 'elbows'. But let me get this straight.
The Islamic Nation of Revolutionary Islam of Iran is being done in by TWITTER!!!! I mean the CIA doing a Iranian coup with Shan, is one thing. But TWITTER?????? Come on now, you are joking me, right????? TWITTER?????? All by itself is caving in a country of 60m???????
I said earlier that this was going to get ugly when the gov't started taking away sim cards and cell phone. Take those away from college students....and one does have a riotous situation on one hands. And of course, they are using TWITTER to communicate. So I get the connection.
But now for the elbow connection to this. Well actually the USA connection to this. The gov't of Iran and President A. are saying the that the US of A in meddling in the Iranian affairs by TWITTER.
That Sect' of State Hillary Clinton, that devious woman nearly killed by a sniper bullet in Balkins, fired by unknown party (fired maybe by a Muslim distraught the US of A had freed Kosovo and now had peace keeping forces in the region)....has a thing out for them.
That she requested prior to her 'elbow injury and surgery'.....told you I was going to get it into the post :-)....to keep TWITTER from doing a maintenance down....to support Iranian protesters in the over throw of the Iranian gov't.
Now recovering from her elbow surgery in a hospital room, this devious American woman is now plotting against the Iranian gov't.
With arm in cast, and black berry in hand, she leads in keeping the reformer protest alive in Iran.
My suggestion is this. President A....look outside your window.
It is those several 100,000 Iranian are gathering daily in the streets to protest your gov't. That is the problem! Not TWITTER. Not Sect of State (broken arm) Clinton. As you crack down them, arrest their leaders, and take their cells away. That is the problem....you and the Iranian gov't are making in your country of Iran.
Now before I end this piece of humor. Lest I forget, the Mullahs of Iran. Guess who all use a number of western communication systems????Like TWITTER????Like cell phones????Like websites???
If one has the thought of Mullahs come to mind.....one can now TWITTER with me some more.
One of the things that is catching my funny bone (funny bones are near your elbow)...is the Iranian gov't attacks on TWITTER. Now more latter in the post about 'elbows'. But let me get this straight.
The Islamic Nation of Revolutionary Islam of Iran is being done in by TWITTER!!!! I mean the CIA doing a Iranian coup with Shan, is one thing. But TWITTER?????? Come on now, you are joking me, right????? TWITTER?????? All by itself is caving in a country of 60m???????
I said earlier that this was going to get ugly when the gov't started taking away sim cards and cell phone. Take those away from college students....and one does have a riotous situation on one hands. And of course, they are using TWITTER to communicate. So I get the connection.
But now for the elbow connection to this. Well actually the USA connection to this. The gov't of Iran and President A. are saying the that the US of A in meddling in the Iranian affairs by TWITTER.
That Sect' of State Hillary Clinton, that devious woman nearly killed by a sniper bullet in Balkins, fired by unknown party (fired maybe by a Muslim distraught the US of A had freed Kosovo and now had peace keeping forces in the region)....has a thing out for them.
That she requested prior to her 'elbow injury and surgery'.....told you I was going to get it into the post :-)....to keep TWITTER from doing a maintenance down....to support Iranian protesters in the over throw of the Iranian gov't.
Now recovering from her elbow surgery in a hospital room, this devious American woman is now plotting against the Iranian gov't.
With arm in cast, and black berry in hand, she leads in keeping the reformer protest alive in Iran.
My suggestion is this. President A....look outside your window.
It is those several 100,000 Iranian are gathering daily in the streets to protest your gov't. That is the problem! Not TWITTER. Not Sect of State (broken arm) Clinton. As you crack down them, arrest their leaders, and take their cells away. That is the problem....you and the Iranian gov't are making in your country of Iran.
Now before I end this piece of humor. Lest I forget, the Mullahs of Iran. Guess who all use a number of western communication systems????Like TWITTER????Like cell phones????Like websites???
If one has the thought of Mullahs come to mind.....one can now TWITTER with me some more.
"An Islamic regime must be serious in every field," explained Ayatollah Khomeini. "There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humour in Islam. There is no fun in Islam."
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bollywood: Organising a protest march with english sign is no excuse to intervene a country affair. Iran is one of the few countries where democracy still practiced .Its common in any democrazy that there can be rallies and protests . The very fact that they could come out and protest in the street shows that they still have the right to freedom . Let the IRan be Iran dont install your ideas there .
DEMOCRACY is practiced in Iran??? That is the most comical thing I've heard yet today but it is still early. Democracy is when the PEOPLE of the nation choose their leader NOT unelected and brutal clerics!
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In a arrest that would have equated to Chelesa Clinton being arrested last fall here in the US Presidential Campaign. The Iranian government arrested the daughter of former Iranian President Rafsananjani and several other members of his family.
For you that don't understand the techniques that a government will do in a crack down of opposition parties. One of them is to arrest family members of the opposition...forcing the leader of the opposition to soften or change his positions. He then ask his supporters that are protesting to stand down. It weakens the protesting. Or if he refuses, they face lengthy court trials and long prison terms.
Call it a form of gov't extortion. Not for money. But for political influence inside a opposing party.
But this has some other overtones on it. That the arrest was because of a developing split in Cleric and Mullah of Iran.
Rafsananjani's daughter spoke at a rally supporting Mousaive and called the election a fraud. Then hardline students accused her of treason.
Former President Rajsananjani.....is still a important man in Iran. He heads two groups of importance....one the Assembly of Experts....a group of clerics....can remove the Supreme Leader of Iran. And he leads the Expeidency Council, a group that arbitrates between Guard Council and the Iranian legislature.
Both of these group could play roles in the coming events in Iran.
Rajsananjani spoke out against Pres. A during the campaign and supported Mousavi.
So, yes a another piece of a real crack down is occurring in Iran. Arrests of opposition party leaders and their families.
For you that don't understand the techniques that a government will do in a crack down of opposition parties. One of them is to arrest family members of the opposition...forcing the leader of the opposition to soften or change his positions. He then ask his supporters that are protesting to stand down. It weakens the protesting. Or if he refuses, they face lengthy court trials and long prison terms.
Call it a form of gov't extortion. Not for money. But for political influence inside a opposing party.
But this has some other overtones on it. That the arrest was because of a developing split in Cleric and Mullah of Iran.
Rafsananjani's daughter spoke at a rally supporting Mousaive and called the election a fraud. Then hardline students accused her of treason.
Former President Rajsananjani.....is still a important man in Iran. He heads two groups of importance....one the Assembly of Experts....a group of clerics....can remove the Supreme Leader of Iran. And he leads the Expeidency Council, a group that arbitrates between Guard Council and the Iranian legislature.
Both of these group could play roles in the coming events in Iran.
Rajsananjani spoke out against Pres. A during the campaign and supported Mousavi.
So, yes a another piece of a real crack down is occurring in Iran. Arrests of opposition party leaders and their families.
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bollywood: You have already made up your mind about me .anything against your countires views are hatefull and biased . I watch almost all channels and use my on intellect to understand things.
Hardly-most of your posts accuse the "west" or the U.S. of things it's hasn't done, or has no control over whatsoever. Blanket condemnations of paranoid accusations won't get you anywhere.------ This thread is Locked ------
In over whelming bi partisan votes, the US House and Senate condemmed the Iranian gov't crack down on election protesters.
Earlier, the French President and the German President, both called for vote recounts in Iran. Both suspect voting fraud.
Sen. John McCain (R) went public saying that the election was bad.He said "I would like to see the President be stronger than he has been, but I do appreciate his comments of yesterday. But I think we ought to have America lead."
Newt Grinrich (R)said "that the US is no longer leading the world, but rather is on the wrong side of history as we not supporting democracy in Iran."
Sen. Gramm Lindsay (R) said "The President of the United States should lead the world, not follow it. He is timid and passive more than I would like."
Sen Grassely (R) "If America stands for democracy and all these demostrations are going on in Tehran and other cities there, people will think that we really don't care, then obviously they will question "do we believe in our principles?"
The only REP that seems to be standing with President Obama is
Sen. Lugar (r) "The challenge continues, which is going to conclude one way or another. Either the protesters will bring about change or they are suppressed, and potentially it is a brutal outcomes at the end of the day."
DEM leaders are largely remaining very quiet on the issue. And no White House staff made the weekend talk shows.
President Obama was known to meet with his foreign advisors for over 30 minutes discussing Iran.
Surely the overwhelming congressional vote sent a message to President Obama where the American public stands regrading Iran and this issue. It has to be bitter pill, to have his party step in front on the issue, when he should be leading.
We understand his desire to have talks with Iran. We balance out the potential for a democratic Iran with a Iran that de toothed from nuclear weapons. We see that both can be done in the democratic Iran. Even Iran goes democtratic, he still needs to have those talks......who would he rather have on the other side of the table? Pres. A or Mousavi?
Pres. A is always going to be a negotiation nightmare. His radical views and positions....make him unreliable. Mousavi is more urban and modern in his views and positions. Negotiations with Mousavi would be easier to conduct.
Even if he strongly supports the reformers and Pres. A wins.
His growing support within the Muslim world, as seen by the Cairo speech response...will bring the two to the table.
Throw the card, President Obama....you got a great one to play in
supporting the Iranian reformers and a democracy in Iran.
Earlier, the French President and the German President, both called for vote recounts in Iran. Both suspect voting fraud.
Sen. John McCain (R) went public saying that the election was bad.He said "I would like to see the President be stronger than he has been, but I do appreciate his comments of yesterday. But I think we ought to have America lead."
Newt Grinrich (R)said "that the US is no longer leading the world, but rather is on the wrong side of history as we not supporting democracy in Iran."
Sen. Gramm Lindsay (R) said "The President of the United States should lead the world, not follow it. He is timid and passive more than I would like."
Sen Grassely (R) "If America stands for democracy and all these demostrations are going on in Tehran and other cities there, people will think that we really don't care, then obviously they will question "do we believe in our principles?"
The only REP that seems to be standing with President Obama is
Sen. Lugar (r) "The challenge continues, which is going to conclude one way or another. Either the protesters will bring about change or they are suppressed, and potentially it is a brutal outcomes at the end of the day."
DEM leaders are largely remaining very quiet on the issue. And no White House staff made the weekend talk shows.
President Obama was known to meet with his foreign advisors for over 30 minutes discussing Iran.
Surely the overwhelming congressional vote sent a message to President Obama where the American public stands regrading Iran and this issue. It has to be bitter pill, to have his party step in front on the issue, when he should be leading.
We understand his desire to have talks with Iran. We balance out the potential for a democratic Iran with a Iran that de toothed from nuclear weapons. We see that both can be done in the democratic Iran. Even Iran goes democtratic, he still needs to have those talks......who would he rather have on the other side of the table? Pres. A or Mousavi?
Pres. A is always going to be a negotiation nightmare. His radical views and positions....make him unreliable. Mousavi is more urban and modern in his views and positions. Negotiations with Mousavi would be easier to conduct.
Even if he strongly supports the reformers and Pres. A wins.
His growing support within the Muslim world, as seen by the Cairo speech response...will bring the two to the table.
Throw the card, President Obama....you got a great one to play in
supporting the Iranian reformers and a democracy in Iran.
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....No hope for any of us, if you were to ask me!
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Organising a protest march with english sign is no excuse to intervene a country affair. Iran is one of the few countries where democracy still practiced .Its common in any democrazy that there can be rallies and protests . The very fact that they could come out and protest in the street shows that they still have the right to freedom . Let the IRan be Iran dont install your ideas there .[/quote]
You are correct that, "Its common in any democrazy that there can be rallies and protests",but it is not common in Republics, who control their form of democracy, to have their elected representation kill the people who are protesting. That, of itself, would give cause for any humane society to be drawn to the side of those being freely slaughtered, and intervene with support. An unarmed people standing up, of their faith in the principles of the democracy, being gunned down by the controlled democratic principles of faction. Something that worries political factions of control in the United States, has it is a protection of militia, every American is guaranteed. A guarantee of protecting human life that the Iranians protesting do not have, and if I could, I would be glad to loan them a few of my own. Intervention allowing them to protect themselves against a power that does not allow them the ability. Shades of grey that influence Obama's lack of strength on this issue, because it hits home.
You are correct that, "Its common in any democrazy that there can be rallies and protests",but it is not common in Republics, who control their form of democracy, to have their elected representation kill the people who are protesting. That, of itself, would give cause for any humane society to be drawn to the side of those being freely slaughtered, and intervene with support. An unarmed people standing up, of their faith in the principles of the democracy, being gunned down by the controlled democratic principles of faction. Something that worries political factions of control in the United States, has it is a protection of militia, every American is guaranteed. A guarantee of protecting human life that the Iranians protesting do not have, and if I could, I would be glad to loan them a few of my own. Intervention allowing them to protect themselves against a power that does not allow them the ability. Shades of grey that influence Obama's lack of strength on this issue, because it hits home.
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bollywood: Organising a protest march with english sign is no excuse to intervene a country affair. Iran is one of the few countries where democracy still practiced .Its common in any democrazy that there can be rallies and protests . The very fact that they could come out and protest in the street shows that they still have the right to freedom . Let the IRan be Iran dont install your ideas there .
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enola1: Who u think u r?, who r u to help us? R u God ? My simple truthful comments made u angry( did u read all of my post, it is me who spoke more logical things ,yes it is quite possible tht many don’t like it, but u r a man from freedom of speech , u shouldn’t be angry so quickly, oh !I forgot u can bomb who protest u r violent behavior ) wht abt u? and others? tht support a biggest hater ( a killer)
You are right...I support the biggest hater..YOU...100%....I don't want anything to do with you, your country, your religion, what you stand for, and if I could help it..the air you breathe------ This thread is Locked ------
enola1: I am glad u r come forward from u r "luv thyself veil"
Obama had the merit ( u cannt deny tht, well u may be deny tht, bcoz hate makes u blind) beside he had a hard working mother, and granny, he was not like Bush read at Ive league by his father's power(compare both of their educational background u would get the answer) and avoid to join army by tht same privilege.
Can I claim tht u only find this line unacceptable? Others u cannt deny ? do u ?
Yeah..thank god for his mom, his muslim father sure didn't stick aroundObama had the merit ( u cannt deny tht, well u may be deny tht, bcoz hate makes u blind) beside he had a hard working mother, and granny, he was not like Bush read at Ive league by his father's power(compare both of their educational background u would get the answer) and avoid to join army by tht same privilege.
Can I claim tht u only find this line unacceptable? Others u cannt deny ? do u ?
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talon1313: Well this is the same exact situation that happened here in American when george bush took over this country illegally...
ha ha..there was/is so much hatred for bush that if there was one shred of evidence of misconduct he would have been nailed to the wall...ya'll even tried making crap up (Rathergate)...get your head out of the kool aid and into the truth...you are right in the mix getting screwed like the rest of us...only difference is you asked for it.------ This thread is Locked ------
bollywood: You have already made up your mind about me .anything against your countires views are hatefull and biased . I watch almost all channels and use my on intellect to understand things.
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wow..look at me post LOL
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ttom500: By the way where were those radical Muslim before 1990 ?
Maybe in Tehran taking over the US Embassy
Maybe on the Achille Laruiel killing one Francis Killenghoffer
Maybe in Beriut, bombing the US Marine Barracks
Maybe in Beriut, bombing the US Embassy
Maybe in Lybia, plotting the PAM AM bombing
Maybe in Algeria, fighting against the French
Maybe in hijacking a number of commercial aircraft and flying them to many foreign countries....
Maybe in south Saudi learning from Whabbist clerics to be Jahidist (bin Laden)
Maybe at the assignation of Awar Sadat in Egypt
Maybe in Lebanon kidnapping Americans
Maybe in Afghanistan/Pakistan in the 1880s, when the Sepoy rebellions occurred against the British.
It goes back a long, long time in history....Enolal
And we know it now. And we are aware of it.
Maybe in Tehran taking over the US Embassy
Maybe on the Achille Laruiel killing one Francis Killenghoffer
Maybe in Beriut, bombing the US Marine Barracks
Maybe in Beriut, bombing the US Embassy
Maybe in Lybia, plotting the PAM AM bombing
Maybe in Algeria, fighting against the French
Maybe in hijacking a number of commercial aircraft and flying them to many foreign countries....
Maybe in south Saudi learning from Whabbist clerics to be Jahidist (bin Laden)
Maybe at the assignation of Awar Sadat in Egypt
Maybe in Lebanon kidnapping Americans
Maybe in Afghanistan/Pakistan in the 1880s, when the Sepoy rebellions occurred against the British.
It goes back a long, long time in history....Enolal
And we know it now. And we are aware of it.
I agree there were radical Muslims before, but then USA don’t bomb those countries for that reason , I think extreme views are dangerous for any society, If some radical Muslims think they have the right to kill “Kafer” (non believers) then there are also evangelical Christians who think they are children of God and they have right to kill children of devil( like Muslim, so called anti Christ) , and there are many Jews who believe they are God’s automatic choice to rule this world, Hindu Brahman think they are the true blessed one, and many others who are fighting for God’s party, Now question is if we believe God is there, does he has so many parties?
Whatever happened in Iraq is shameful , no human being with right mind can deny that,When any one see those face who are killed for not a single true reason , he or she react naturally, same thing goes for those who killed at 9/11.As we know two wrong don’t make a right, USA is a great country, It should behave more reasonably and conscientiously to solve any issue .Bombing on innocent people cannot be a solution, you cannot kill everybody , it just raise tensions , it helps extremists to recruit readymade
terrorist. Killing is bad for everybody but it hurts more to the killer that why you find many USA soldier return with severe mental problems same you can find for those people who bombs on innocent women or children.
As far the main issue of this thread Iran, I believe west( particularly USA) should not do the same mistake as it did before, helping some selfish politicians to overthrow the democratically elected government . I just read a article of Flynt Leverett , who is a leading authority on US foreign policy, a former member of American National Security Council: he said President Ahmednijad was legitimately elected , he showed a pre poll
Survey conducted by one of the leading survey organizations of USA” Terror free tomorrow (TFT)” predicted a landslide victory for current president .He ask President Obama not to do the same mistake as US did at 1953. In his article he wrote that current protest is against Ahmednijad( oh this guy has a tough name) probable done by those whom he accused for massive corruption like Rafsangani and his sons. He ask US president to accept this election as it was free and fair enough and move forward the diplomacy with Iran’s reelected President. We can only hope Mr. Obama will take right decisions rather than going with whimsical sentiments that are also exist in some people’s mind.
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talon1313: Well this is the same exact situation that happened here in American when george bush took over this country illegally...
Yeah, he took over TWICE illegally..
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BebeII: Yeah, he took over TWICE illegally..
And the only thing they could convict him on, was supported by the Constitution.
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Where first of all, are the radical christians and jews who are bombing and murdering muslims in the name of their religion? We tried for many years to contain Hussein and prevent him from killing shia's and kurd's. The loss of innocent civilian life is horrible but do keep in mind that most were killed by other muslim groups in Iraq, not by our soldiers. We certainly don't want to kill "everybody" whatever that means, and soldiers suffer from many problems related to war BESIDES having purportedly killed someone. As for Iran, no one is going to overthrow them. Mousavi has more blood on his hands than even Achmadinajad.
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Abram: And the only thing they could convict him on, was supported by the Constitution.
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BebeII: Where first of all, are the radical christians and jews who are bombing and murdering muslims in the name of their religion? We tried for many years to contain Hussein and prevent him from killing shia's and kurd's. The loss of innocent civilian life is horrible but do keep in mind that most were killed by other muslim groups in Iraq, not by our soldiers. We certainly don't want to kill "everybody" whatever that means, and soldiers suffer from many problems related to war BESIDES having purportedly killed someone. As for Iran, no one is going to overthrow them. Mousavi has more blood on his hands than even Achmadinajad.
I think radical Muslims don’t have high take fighter jet to bomb on innocent people like radical Christian s and Jews, so they use suicide bombing.
If US wanted to save shia’s from Saddam regime why it funded him to begin a unnecessary war against Iran? Sold Chemical Weapons to him ?
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One of the things that is catching my funny bone (funny bones are near your elbow)...is the Iranian gov't attacks on TWITTER. Now more latter in the post about 'elbows'. But let me get this straight.
The Islamic Nation of Revolutionary Islam of Iran is being done in by TWITTER!!!!
I said earlier that this was going to get ugly when the gov't started taking away sim cards and cell phone. Take those away from college students....and one does have a riotous situation on one hands. And of course, they are using TWITTER to communicate. So I get the connection.
But now for the elbow connection to this. Well actually the USA connection to this. The gov't of Iran and President A. are saying the that the US of A in meddling in the Iranian affairs by TWITTER.
That Sect' of State Hillary Clinton, that devious woman nearly killed by a sniper bullet in Balkins, fired by unknown party (fired maybe by a Muslim distraught the US of A had freed Kosovo and now had peace keeping forces in the region)....has a thing out for them.
That she requested prior to her 'elbow injury and surgery'.....told you I was going to get it into the post :-)....to keep TWITTER from doing a maintenance down....to support Iranian protesters in the over throw of the Iranian gov't.
Now recovering from her elbow surgery in a hospital room, this devious American woman is now plotting against the Iranian gov't.
With arm in cast, and black berry in hand, she leads in keeping the reformer protest alive in Iran.
My suggestion is this. President A....look outside your window.
It is those several 100,000 Iranian are gathering daily in the streets to protest your gov't. That is the problem! Not TWITTER. Not Sect of State (broken arm) Clinton. As you crack down them, arrest their leaders, and take their cells away. That is the problem....you and the Iranian gov't are making in your country of Iran.
Now before I end this piece of humor. Lest I forget, the Mullahs of Iran. Guess who all use a number of western communication systems????Like TWITTER????Like cell phones????Like websites???
If one has the thought of Mullahs come to mind.....one can now TWITTER with me some more.