No hope for Iran (267)
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HJFinAZ: I wholeheartedly agree..
I think we should pull all troops out, shut off the supplies of any kind we send and STOP buying their damn oil.
Let them continue their wars between themselves and let them kill each other and if they ever pose a threat to the free world, make glass out of them..
I think we should pull all troops out, shut off the supplies of any kind we send and STOP buying their damn oil.
Let them continue their wars between themselves and let them kill each other and if they ever pose a threat to the free world, make glass out of them..
Funniest thing I've read lately! You must have a short memory. I guess you forgot 1973-4. What's in YOUR driveway huh? How many barrels of that "damn oil" do you blow out the tailpipes of your fleet? Ever hear the saying "Be careful what you wish for"?
Have you ever thought about what would happen if we nuked the middle east? For starters all that damn oil would be located in a radio active wasteland and it would no longer be available for use by anybody. Sorta like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Russian oil would suddenly be worth way more and with such clout they could hold the west hostage by our love of consumption. Do you remember what they did to Europe when they shut the gas off? China already has us by the short hairs, or aren't you aware that China is the biggest holder of American treasury notes? China has the ability to break the United States overnight if they were to dump all that paper on the worlds stock exchanges.
India has effectively taken over the high tech sector of our economy or aren't you aware that at least 75% of the engineers in Silicon Valley are from India? High tech co's like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco Systems etc have been importing software engineers from India for years because our school system sucks at teaching computer science, or any science for that matter.
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ooby_dooby: Funniest thing I've read lately! You must have a short memory. I guess you forgot 1973-4. What's in YOUR driveway huh? How many barrels of that "damn oil" do you blow out the tailpipes of your fleet? Ever hear the saying "Be careful what you wish for"?
Have you ever thought about what would happen if we nuked the middle east? For starters all that damn oil would be located in a radio active wasteland and it would no longer be available for use by anybody. Sorta like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Russian oil would suddenly be worth way more and with such clout they could hold the west hostage by our love of consumption. Do you remember what they did to Europe when they shut the gas off? China already has us by the short hairs, or aren't you aware that China is the biggest holder of American treasury notes? China has the ability to break the United States overnight if they were to dump all that paper on the worlds stock exchanges.
India has effectively taken over the high tech sector of our economy or aren't you aware that at least 75% of the engineers in Silicon Valley are from India? High tech co's like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco Systems etc have been importing software engineers from India for years because our school system sucks at teaching computer science, or any science for that matter.
Not so on the last point-the U.S. graduates over 50,000 computer science engineers every year. It's those companies that want much cheaper labor who import those workers.Have you ever thought about what would happen if we nuked the middle east? For starters all that damn oil would be located in a radio active wasteland and it would no longer be available for use by anybody. Sorta like throwing the baby out with the bath water. Russian oil would suddenly be worth way more and with such clout they could hold the west hostage by our love of consumption. Do you remember what they did to Europe when they shut the gas off? China already has us by the short hairs, or aren't you aware that China is the biggest holder of American treasury notes? China has the ability to break the United States overnight if they were to dump all that paper on the worlds stock exchanges.
India has effectively taken over the high tech sector of our economy or aren't you aware that at least 75% of the engineers in Silicon Valley are from India? High tech co's like Microsoft, Apple, Cisco Systems etc have been importing software engineers from India for years because our school system sucks at teaching computer science, or any science for that matter.
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ooby_dooby: It looks like there will be no recount or revote for the presidency of Iran.
"Iran's supreme leader said Friday that there was "definitive victory" and no rigging in disputed presidential elections, offering no concession to protesters demanding the vote be canceled and held again."
One can only wonder where this will lead, but my guess is this is not the end of the story.
How fortunate we are not to be ruled by the pope or some other religeous figure!
"Iran's supreme leader said Friday that there was "definitive victory" and no rigging in disputed presidential elections, offering no concession to protesters demanding the vote be canceled and held again."
One can only wonder where this will lead, but my guess is this is not the end of the story.
How fortunate we are not to be ruled by the pope or some other religeous figure!
Preliminary reports for today (Saturday) is more street violence in Iran.
The thing that was (that is past tense) interesting here. Prior to the election, both supporters of Pres. A and Mousavi were joking about it. I read a article yesterday by a western reporter that was there the 10 days prior to the vote.
He said the cabbies in Tehran (most supporters of Pres. A) and the young supporters of Mousavi were joking with each other....they were singing songs to each other in crouded down town Tehran.....
But I think that they are polarizing with the violence. For political novices...that means that the two sides are pulling further apart and hardening political positions. Not a good thing.
That also makes President Obama fence walk harder. He is trying to keep feet in both camps...as they polarize....it becomes harder for him to stay in both camps.
Some here have mentioned the UN coming into this. Trying to remember a past time, when the UN came into a country to resolve election issues. Not coming up with any. Even this last year
Zimbobwe election of Mugabe, the UN stayed out of the internal process and the post election violence. The Security Council did meet and issued diplomatic statement to the election fairness.
Though some had proposed UN intervention. I do think that the UN has a election monitoring unit....but am not sure if they were inside Iran during the election.
By the way, the Zimbowe election results were slowed for several months....and the official results was 97 for ZANUF (Mugabe) 99 for MDC 10 for MDC faction and 1 for IND.
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Good4U2: Cant we all just get along!!! ... Seeing is believing. Apparently not... But oh never mind...
just thought I'd ask 
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jlb684: One must keep in mind, however, that such pro-democracy or soft democracy programs, although they sound positive on the surface, can at times do more harm than good. These types of programs are generally promoting radio broadcasts through VOA or other outlets, cultural exchanges, funding for NGOs, etc. Sounds ok, right?
I would be interested in hearing from Persiano, particularly as our viewpoints as outsiders cannot be as reality-based as his. My viewpoint may not change after I hear his thoughts, but I'd certainly welcome hearing them and having new perspective.
I quoted from an interesting article and want to provide my source:
Just food for thought.
It "sounds ok", and it works, as we see today with the uniting of Iranian citizens. I read the link you provided, and I found has many, if not more, responses in support of pro-democracy, soft-democracy initiatives. I am able to see how this type of pro-democracy initiative works, of training, and personal contact, with people who once lived under authoritarian rule. They hear more, and do more, of free, pro- democratic principles then the outside world will ever hear about. Their largest obstacle is, and always has been, the ability congregate in groups of one voice, while still having the voice of pro-democracy stand behind them. These pro, soft-democracy initiatives have been going on for many years, and you will notice how the Bush administration stood behind their words, while Clinton never did, and Obama is following suit. I would be interested in hearing from Persiano, particularly as our viewpoints as outsiders cannot be as reality-based as his. My viewpoint may not change after I hear his thoughts, but I'd certainly welcome hearing them and having new perspective.
I quoted from an interesting article and want to provide my source:
Just food for thought.
There is nothing that Clinton, or Obama, could, or can personally gain, and their strength, 'n courage, is reflected of their inaction. The left ideal, while it may vehemently promote democracy, if its benefits are not achieved with ease, or without possibility of some loss, they are not willing to stand up, and fight for it. While they will sit here, in America, screaming, "Oh My", for others fighting, and dying, for democracy in other lands, they cannot spend a dime to help in the fight. To do so would be putting limitation on the money needed to support their base of factions that live off the American dime. For 8 years they screamed in pain watching billions being spent in the Afghan, Iraq wars, has those nations were given a chance at democracy. Today they scream with delight, has they now control the purse strings, and build on their losses. The left attitude is, "I'll play in my sandbox, with my toys, and you play in yours, with your toys."
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BebeII: Who said the vast majority of Americans were against the war in Iraq? Even if a vocal minority were, most people knew Iraq had to be dealt with eventually. There is a difference between France and the rest of Europe as regards head coverings, and nuns are few in number-they also don't expect the countries they live in to bow to their cultural whims. As for you last two paragraphs, I guess you didn't hear that Bush specifically cited the "West's" long support for dictatorial regimes as a reason to overthrow Hussein. You should be careful what you wish for or at least stop complaining.
I should be careful or else u bomb me right
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BebeII: Who said the vast majority of Americans were against the war in Iraq? Even if a vocal minority were, most people knew Iraq had to be dealt with eventually. There is a difference between France and the rest of Europe as regards head coverings, and nuns are few in number-they also don't expect the countries they live in to bow to their cultural whims. As for you last two paragraphs, I guess you didn't hear that Bush specifically cited the "West's" long support for dictatorial regimes as a reason to overthrow Hussein. You should be careful what you wish for or at least stop complaining.
I should be careful or else u bomb me right
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I think the polarization and ad hominem are exactly what's wrong in Iran. With people in general but in this case especially.
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morgan5: Does insulting someone make you feel better? Doesn't do you any favours here
I am expecting tht from u, u can never see those who insulted me bcoz u r also like them, at least they(like Conrad 73) r less hypocrite than u , they don’t hide their agenda by so called civilized words
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OK OK Enough fighting!
I started this thread and for the most part it has been a good discussion. It would be a shame if it got locked down for getting out of hand. After all we have to breathe the same air and if an asteroid slams into the earth we're all gonna die with each other. We don't have to agree with each other or even love each other but we should all at least RESPECT each other. Has name calling ever solved anything? NO! All it does is get people angry.
I started this thread and for the most part it has been a good discussion. It would be a shame if it got locked down for getting out of hand. After all we have to breathe the same air and if an asteroid slams into the earth we're all gonna die with each other. We don't have to agree with each other or even love each other but we should all at least RESPECT each other. Has name calling ever solved anything? NO! All it does is get people angry.------ This thread is Locked ------
BebeII: Not so on the last point-the U.S. graduates over 50,000 computer science engineers every year. It's those companies that want much cheaper labor who import those workers.
I didn't know that. The genesis of my comment about Indian software engineers came from a story I heard on the radio about a month ago about how a neighborhood in Simi Valley (AKA Silicon Valley) has a theater which only shows movies made in Bollywood due to the population being almost entirely from India. They went on to interview an HR manager who said they routinely recruit engineers from India and fast track the VISA process because they can't find engineers of the same high caliber in the US. I doubt these software engineers from India are working for a bowl of Curry.------ This thread is Locked ------
Here is an Article on the Time-line from and after the Elections in Iran.
Quite interesting.
Too long to Paste,so I am just post the Link to it.
Quite interesting.
Too long to Paste,so I am just post the Link to it.
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enola1: How u knw tht moron , u probably do tht
I knw truth hurts, u r sins make u weak,so u cannt put any argument but post dirty pics or links, I actualy feel for u ppl, u live with hate and probably die with it , u cannt tolerate the truth
So I would suspect that, not being of sin, would make one of a strength, that they do not live with, or express hate. I would also suppose some of the hateful words, and comments I have seen you post against the white race, the west, are the words of truth you will die with. I would say that, recognizing sin, its effect on others, actually makes one stronger, has that person acts not to inflict the hurt of sin on others. You see enola1, your words of anger do not offend me, as I know, and lived sin, that you probably only fantasize about. Of that sin I stood face to face with the Truth, and today bear my reponsibilities of it, and take full responsibility for my sins that hurt others. Its your choice enola, and one day you will learn for yourself where your strength in life is.I knw truth hurts, u r sins make u weak,so u cannt put any argument but post dirty pics or links, I actualy feel for u ppl, u live with hate and probably die with it , u cannt tolerate the truth
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ooby_dooby: OK OK Enough fighting! I started this thread and for the most part it has been a good discussion. It would be a shame if it got locked down for getting out of hand. After all we have to breathe the same air and if an asteroid slams into the earth we're all gonna die with each other. We don't have to agree with each other or even love each other but we should all at least RESPECT each other. Has name calling ever solved anything? NO! All it does is get people angry.
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ttom500: Not sure Presidnet Obama can take credit for what is happening in Iran, Stress. He is walking the fence on it and cannot pick a side to support. To certain degree that is understandable.
But all his rhetoric of his oath of office, of his campaign, or his speeches needs to be backed up. Now he has a chance to stand for Democracy in a foreign country....
yet he is fence walking.
Remember the Duke....Talk the Talk and Walk the Walk. President Obama has talked the talk, now it is time to walk the walk.....it is a tough one to do.
But all his rhetoric of his oath of office, of his campaign, or his speeches needs to be backed up. Now he has a chance to stand for Democracy in a foreign country....
yet he is fence walking.
Remember the Duke....Talk the Talk and Walk the Walk. President Obama has talked the talk, now it is time to walk the walk.....it is a tough one to do.
Tom, my post had nothing to do with Obama. The waves of change are just not happening in America. That's all. Looks like the people in Iran have taken another step closer towards true change from the current and outdated government. The snowball is in motion...
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morgan5: Your right, sorry ooby shan't post again out of respect i have for you
Morgan I've never seen you say anything disrespectfull to anybody, please post away. 
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"I choose to respond this post of urs rather than the "lecture of a priest" tht u gave me in u r later post There is a reason behind this, u r hypocrisy lied in this post, u criticized left ,Clinton, obama but not saying a word against the mass murderer ,now I got it , u do live with u r sin ."
But I said volumns of how their inactions allowed those of radical Islam the ability to kill many Muslims. They sat, sit, fat, and happy at home watching Kurds being killed, citizens thrown to their deaths from roof tops, and suicide bombers blowing up innocent civilians. A weapon of mass destruction, in and of itself, implemented by individual radical leaders, and groups, seeking to govern by fear, for their own benefit. Where is the hypocracy in that, when someone claiming credibility of promoting democratic principles stands by watching the senseless killing of civilians.
But I said volumns of how their inactions allowed those of radical Islam the ability to kill many Muslims. They sat, sit, fat, and happy at home watching Kurds being killed, citizens thrown to their deaths from roof tops, and suicide bombers blowing up innocent civilians. A weapon of mass destruction, in and of itself, implemented by individual radical leaders, and groups, seeking to govern by fear, for their own benefit. Where is the hypocracy in that, when someone claiming credibility of promoting democratic principles stands by watching the senseless killing of civilians.
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Can't we just discuss, and agree to disagree???
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