No hope for Iran (267)
Alfalfa: So you are saying that we should not come to the aid of any of these requests because there is another organization set up to do it that is incapable?
The only time when another country should invade is if there is an IMMINENT threat to it or its treaty allies, or if there is a homocidal genocide occuring. And even then Nato forces would hopefully get the situation resolved
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Alfalfa: That is fantasy proven by your inability to provide any support...which makes sense because...THERE IS NONE!!
Having been election worker in 2004 election as a princit clerk,
I find it interesting how facts of the Florida 2004 Presidential election change. It reminds me of the human listening skills demostration of sitting 10 people in a row of chairs.
You whisper into the ear of a person at the end of the row......some gossip or phrase of words.....he/she then whispers it to the next....then to the next...by the time it get to the final person in the final chair.....it cannot be recognized to the original gossip/phrase.
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Alfalfa: That is fantasy proven by your inability to provide any support...which makes sense because...THERE IS NONE!!
Have u not heard about it my friend?
Read up on the florida clause. You never know, you may learn something.
Rodolpho, the taming of the shrew
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Magenta: The only time when another country should invade is if there is an IMMINENT threat to it or its treaty allies, or if there is a homocidal genocide occuring. And even then Nato forces would hopefully get the situation resolved
Would 20 protester deaths in Iran qualify as homocidal genocide?
Well maybe not genocide, yet.....but if you ask one of the 20 deceased if they could have a redo (like a revote on a election) on the murder.....I bet they would say, yes.
Speaking of murder, Magenta.....seen Pres. A say that his government was going to investigate these deaths by the militia?
Been watching for him to say that he would see a fair and complete investigation was done in them, like he said in the Saberi arrest.
But doubt that we will see such investigations or arrest of any pro gov't parties that are responsible.
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Magenta, the list of person calling for recounts because of suspected voting problems....the President of France, the President of Germany, Sen. McCain, Sen. Graham, a long list....
A British election watch group....said that two of the Iranian voting districts had more than a 100% vote. They are still trying to figure out if it was computer error or human error.
The Iranian election is a paper ballot. That means a hand count by people. It was a 85% turnout....one of the highest in Iranian histories. Time to count the some 40+ million ballots? 10 hours.
Think that is humanly possible?
I think that there is difference between policing democracies and seeing that illegal election don't occur....that you expose them when they do occur. In fact I think that there is a big difference.
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Fair enough tom. However member nations of the UN should state their strong objection if rigging the result had occured.
Alot of people on here sound like they want pres A's blood, because of it
A British election watch group....said that two of the Iranian voting districts had more than a 100% vote. They are still trying to figure out if it was computer error or human error.
The Iranian election is a paper ballot. That means a hand count by people. It was a 85% turnout....one of the highest in Iranian histories. Time to count the some 40+ million ballots? 10 hours.
Think that is humanly possible?
I think that there is difference between policing democracies and seeing that illegal election don't occur....that you expose them when they do occur. In fact I think that there is a big difference.
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Fair enough tom. However member nations of the UN should state their strong objection if rigging the result had occured.
Alot of people on here sound like they want pres A's blood, because of it
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ttom500: Having been election worker in 2004 election as a princit clerk,
I find it interesting how facts of the Florida 2004 Presidential election change. It reminds me of the human listening skills demostration of sitting 10 people in a row of chairs.
You whisper into the ear of a person at the end of the row......some gossip or phrase of words.....he/she then whispers it to the next....then to the next...by the time it get to the final person in the final chair.....it cannot be recognized to the original gossip/phrase.
I find it interesting how facts of the Florida 2004 Presidential election change. It reminds me of the human listening skills demostration of sitting 10 people in a row of chairs.
You whisper into the ear of a person at the end of the row......some gossip or phrase of words.....he/she then whispers it to the next....then to the next...by the time it get to the final person in the final chair.....it cannot be recognized to the original gossip/phrase.
You are talking of the game chinese whispers. Oh and i am referring to the 2000, not the 2004 election.
I didnt realise 2 elections were in dispute
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Magenta: Have u not heard about it my friend?
Read up on the florida clause. You never know, you may learn something.
Rodolpho, the taming of the shrew
Of course we are not friends...my friends have brains they use. Unfortunately your fantasies are not documented anywhere so even if I wanted to read about them I cannot. Enjoy your BlissRead up on the florida clause. You never know, you may learn something.
Rodolpho, the taming of the shrew
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Hi. There could be hope for Iran. I thought there was no hope for the US when Bush won. But, that forced a lot of people to get up and vote. Then, Obama won by a land slide and those seriously creepy religious zealot republicans are going the way of the Kiwi and the Passenger Pidgeon. So, when the government shot and poisoned all those protestors, all they did was serve to infuriate the people, and soon there will be change in that country. 
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ttom500: Would 20 protester deaths in Iran qualify as homocidal genocide?
Well maybe not genocide, yet.....but if you ask one of the 20 deceased if they could have a redo (like a revote on a election) on the murder.....I bet they would say, yes.
Speaking of murder, Magenta.....seen Pres. A say that his government was going to investigate these deaths by the militia?
Been watching for him to say that he would see a fair and complete investigation was done in them, like he said in the Saberi arrest.
But doubt that we will see such investigations or arrest of any pro gov't parties that are responsible.
Well maybe not genocide, yet.....but if you ask one of the 20 deceased if they could have a redo (like a revote on a election) on the murder.....I bet they would say, yes.
Speaking of murder, Magenta.....seen Pres. A say that his government was going to investigate these deaths by the militia?
Been watching for him to say that he would see a fair and complete investigation was done in them, like he said in the Saberi arrest.
But doubt that we will see such investigations or arrest of any pro gov't parties that are responsible.
Well, i believe the same would happen in the US if protests against elected officials turned violent also.
However there would b a vast difference if the armed forcer were actively seeking out non violent opposition supporters and gunning them down.
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Magenta: Well, i believe the same would happen in the US if protests against elected officials turned violent also.
However there would b a vast difference if the armed forcer were actively seeking out non violent opposition supporters and gunning them down.
Hard to understand what you are saying here chick..are you saying the murders in IRAN are ok because Obama's admin would hide investigations of murder if it happened in the US?However there would b a vast difference if the armed forcer were actively seeking out non violent opposition supporters and gunning them down.
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Alfalfa: Of course we are not friends...my friends have brains they use. Unfortunately your fantasies are not documented anywhere so even if I wanted to read about them I cannot. Enjoy your Bliss
Are u trying to tell me it didnt happen? Your farlerious man!
Wiki florida clause
Hopefully that one wont b 2 difficult for yer
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Alfalfa: Hard to understand what you are saying here chick..are you saying the murders in IRAN are ok because Obama's admin would hide investigations of murder if it happened in the US?
My apologies for confusing you.
An example...if violent protests were held against obama being elected, the US armed forces may have 2 b called in. Deaths may occur.
The same is happening in IRAN. they have not tried to cover up any deaths.
The only difference between these examples is the result is in dispute in iran
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Magenta: My apologies for confusing you.
An example...if violent protests were held against obama being elected, the US armed forces may have 2 b called in. Deaths may occur.
The same is happening in IRAN. they have not tried to cover up any deaths.The only difference between these examples is the result is in dispute in iran
Comparing our two governments as all things equal is beyond stupid. It is even more ridiculous because you are forgiving murder IN FACT because of your SPECULATION of the behavior of a third party. Seriously...even you cannot be this brain dead can you?An example...if violent protests were held against obama being elected, the US armed forces may have 2 b called in. Deaths may occur.
The same is happening in IRAN. they have not tried to cover up any deaths.The only difference between these examples is the result is in dispute in iran
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Magenta: Magenta, the list of person calling for recounts because of suspected voting problems....the President of France, the President of Germany, Sen. McCain, Sen. Graham, a long list....
A British election watch group....said that two of the Iranian voting districts had more than a 100% vote. They are still trying to figure out if it was computer error or human error.
The Iranian election is a paper ballot. That means a hand count by people. It was a 85% turnout....one of the highest in Iranian histories. Time to count the some 40+ million ballots? 10 hours.
Think that is humanly possible?
I think that there is difference between policing democracies and seeing that illegal election don't occur....that you expose them when they do occur. In fact I think that there is a big difference.
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Fair enough tom. However member nations of the UN should state their strong objection if rigging the result had occured.
Alot of people on here sound like they want pres A's blood, because of it
A British election watch group....said that two of the Iranian voting districts had more than a 100% vote. They are still trying to figure out if it was computer error or human error.
The Iranian election is a paper ballot. That means a hand count by people. It was a 85% turnout....one of the highest in Iranian histories. Time to count the some 40+ million ballots? 10 hours.
Think that is humanly possible?
I think that there is difference between policing democracies and seeing that illegal election don't occur....that you expose them when they do occur. In fact I think that there is a big difference.
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Fair enough tom. However member nations of the UN should state their strong objection if rigging the result had occured.
Alot of people on here sound like they want pres A's blood, because of it
We can debate what an objection at the UN will do, considering the number of UN Sanctions that Iran has ignored on nuclear materials and weapons. A UN resolution on a Pres. A gov't will be like water off a duck's back. jmo
Specially since President Obama is fence walking the issue. The UN will do little unless it has leadership from one or more members on the Security Council.
But I don't want want Pres. A's blood....I prefer his scalp...you know us heathen red blooded Americans....:-)...and yes am a little American Indian....so can make the statement.
Honestly, I don't know what a resolution of this is or could be.
But it can lead to a failed state.....civil war....a number of very bad outcomes as Sen. Lugar said.
I think that the world is concerned...that President Obama will make a coalition of countries....something he has supported many time in the past....and then enter Iran to control the violence.
I also think that the violence has to get much worse for that to happen. So feel that is not the main concern yet. In a way, his fence walking is keeping Pres. A from being more violent in the crack down. Pres. A is off balance with Obama response as well....again jmo.
I do think that the election was devised by Pres. A and the Supreme Leader of Iran to use Iranian democracy as a lever on President Obama. To either force him into the nuc talks or to shift his image in the Muslim world or to make this 'foil' of the United States in Iran...maybe all three. This kind of thing....you have to look for and at the motives of the parties.
Evidence will come in time. Maybe find some smoking gun evidence to election illegalities by the two. Once that begins to be unraveled and anaylsis.....maybe President Obama will have Pres A scalp in the oval office....:-)
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ttom500: We can debate what an objection at the UN will do, considering the number of UN Sanctions that Iran has ignored on nuclear materials and weapons. A UN resolution on a Pres. A gov't will be like water off a duck's back. jmo
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Alfalfa: Comparing our two governments as all things equal is beyond stupid. It is even more ridiculous because you are forgiving murder IN FACT because of your SPECULATION of the behavior of a third party. Seriously...even you cannot be this brain dead can you?
It is obvious you do not understand me, and i bid u adieu and leave you to your vicious hatred,misinterpretations and judgementalisms. Have a lovely day sir
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Magenta: It is obvious you do not understand me, and i bid u adieu and leave you to your vicious hatred,misinterpretations and judgementalisms. Have a lovely day sir
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BebeII: I remember only one time when Bush used the word crusade. He meant it in the same way some muslims use jihad-meaning a struggle, a fight-not as a war of extermination. There have been 13 deaths of jewish people in and around Sderot-far less than those killed by the Israeli military response, that's true. But one has to ask why Hamas fires those rockets from civilian areas? If you want the numbers of hamas fighters killed vs. just civilians see Yaacov lozowicks blog, ruminations. We have been called an empire, but compared to others in history, it's a slim resemblance. We have no territorial claims on any country's land. Yes, we do make some miserable mistakes.
There is a difference in literal meaning between crusade and Jihad, crusade means Holly war, and one cannot compare Hamas with Al Quada or any of that sorts , Hamas popularity is a direct result of the failure of PLO’s inability to carry a nation’s dream towards freedom , and what can a Palestine man do to protest the tyranny by a highly sophisticated army ?If you see the map of Gaza and west bank and know the population of Palestine you would wonder how they live even without knowing the actual miserable condition, nobody should forget they were the real owner of those land who are kicked out unlawfully not like Isreal who claim that land on basis of old testaments so called “promised land”. Yet I believe Jews Suffered a lot through out the history and ironically most of the time by radical Christians who are now their biggest ally: history is really a strange thing ! And they do have the right to live in a land where they feel security and peace , Most Arab and Muslims now accept that fact ,well may be unwillingly but they accept, But Isreal still behave like a crying arrogant baby not willing to hear anybody, if you follow recent incidents you would know what I mean.
Territorial claims is old idea to rule , today it is easier to control a country by other means, beside USA have many army ,air and navy camp through out the world .Regarding USA as a Empire , I do think it is really a unique empire that is not controlled by a single race; instead it was and still is built by immigrants came from different parts of the world( there is Iranian American, European American ,Bangladeshi American etc but no American American
),many who always criticized it may be jump if a citizenship is offered to him or her, because USA has its magic that other countries don’t have, it still can produce a Obama, Google, steve jobs etc And it is also true when anybody criticizes USA it may be because he/she expects a lot from it; this expectations should not be taken as negative instead it shows greatness of a nation, What we can only wish that some of its citizen do understand that privilege------ This thread is Locked ------
Alfalfa: You don't need to quit to lose..you were already sunk....enjoy your Bliss and Kool-Aid
It was never about winning for me. I shall leave u wallow in your hollow victory.
Tom, thanks for yor input and u bring up some thought provoking points, but i gotta go. The smell of meat burning is making me ill.
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And still today we have people in other countries who die this very day for that same right.