who are you going to vote for in this election (259)
sugar77: Wicklow...stephen donnelly is the indepenent..
Ah, is Nicky Kelly running there again?
snowlynx: Ah, is Nicky Kelly running there again?
No i dont think so...havent heard his name at all..either way im still none the wiser who to vote for..
anyway im off to my leaba...sweet dreams are coming my way...
snowlynx: Their hard-earned pension? you wouldn't ask them to do that would you?
well theyve effin robbed mine..and me childrens as well!
snowlynx: Ah, is Nicky Kelly running there again?
Remember that old joke?
"Free Nicky Kelly"....with every box of cornfalkes!
I was thinking of voting FG but not after today. Their latest election promise is that they are going to make irish optional for the leaving cert. Now i know I am not a fluent speaker and i know people will argue its a dead language but its part of our culture and i think with Europe we are being stripped of our national identity everyday. Instead of making it optional for the leaving certificate, i think they should be promoting it and coming up with new and more interesting ways for kids to learn the language not effectively scrapping it altogether....JMO.
I am that disillusioned, that I wonder if it is really even worth voting, and even if I do vote, it won't matter, as the IMF and ECB are calling the shots.
Everyone I speak to is sick to the stomach of listening to our politicians. They are turning off in droves, not because they don't care, but because people don't believe any of them really have a clue what they are doing.
They are making big promises that no one really believes they can keep. And we have another 2 weeks of hearing them go on and on about how they have the all answers, shame they didn't have some answers 3 or 4 years ago, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
The political parties in Ireland are stuck somewhere 50 years in the past, it is their political dogma that matters to them, not "The National Interest." (How many times have we heard that phrase trotted out in the last 2 years?) They will plough on regardless, ignoring anything that does not fit into their constrained, narrow and pig headed views.
It will be the Irish people who gets us out of this mess, it will be their their sacrifices and hard work that will turn the country around, but I guarantee you, that our political leaders will take all the credit for it.
In the end, most of our politicians are just cheap sales men in expensive suits, selling ideas they know little about, to voters they know even less about.
Everyone I speak to is sick to the stomach of listening to our politicians. They are turning off in droves, not because they don't care, but because people don't believe any of them really have a clue what they are doing.
They are making big promises that no one really believes they can keep. And we have another 2 weeks of hearing them go on and on about how they have the all answers, shame they didn't have some answers 3 or 4 years ago, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
The political parties in Ireland are stuck somewhere 50 years in the past, it is their political dogma that matters to them, not "The National Interest." (How many times have we heard that phrase trotted out in the last 2 years?) They will plough on regardless, ignoring anything that does not fit into their constrained, narrow and pig headed views.
It will be the Irish people who gets us out of this mess, it will be their their sacrifices and hard work that will turn the country around, but I guarantee you, that our political leaders will take all the credit for it.
In the end, most of our politicians are just cheap sales men in expensive suits, selling ideas they know little about, to voters they know even less about.
MarsMan: I am that disillusioned, that I wonder if it is really even worth voting, and even if I do vote, it won't matter, as the IMF and ECB are calling the shots.
Everyone I speak to is sick to the stomach of listening to our politicians. They are turning off in droves, not because they don't care, but because people don't believe any of them really have a clue what they are doing.
They are making big promises that no one really believes they can keep. And we have another 2 weeks of hearing them go on and on about how they have the all answers, shame they didn't have some answers 3 or 4 years ago, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
The political parties in Ireland are stuck somewhere 50 years in the past, it is their political dogma that matters to them, not "The National Interest." (How many times have we heard that phrase trotted out in the last 2 years?) They will plough on regardless, ignoring anything that does not fit into their constrained, narrow and pig headed views.
It will be the Irish people who gets us out of this mess, it will be their their sacrifices and hard work that will turn the country around, but I guarantee you, that our political leaders will take all the credit for it.
In the end, most of our politicians are just cheap sales men in expensive suits, selling ideas they know little about, to voters they know even less about.
Everyone I speak to is sick to the stomach of listening to our politicians. They are turning off in droves, not because they don't care, but because people don't believe any of them really have a clue what they are doing.
They are making big promises that no one really believes they can keep. And we have another 2 weeks of hearing them go on and on about how they have the all answers, shame they didn't have some answers 3 or 4 years ago, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.
The political parties in Ireland are stuck somewhere 50 years in the past, it is their political dogma that matters to them, not "The National Interest." (How many times have we heard that phrase trotted out in the last 2 years?) They will plough on regardless, ignoring anything that does not fit into their constrained, narrow and pig headed views.
It will be the Irish people who gets us out of this mess, it will be their their sacrifices and hard work that will turn the country around, but I guarantee you, that our political leaders will take all the credit for it.
In the end, most of our politicians are just cheap sales men in expensive suits, selling ideas they know little about, to voters they know even less about.
Marsman for Taoiseach
DUBLINGUY1973: I was thinking of voting FG but not after today. Their latest election promise is that they are going to make irish optional for the leaving cert. Now i know I am not a fluent speaker and i know people will argue its a dead language but its part of our culture and i think with Europe we are being stripped of our national identity everyday. Instead of making it optional for the leaving certificate, i think they should be promoting it and coming up with new and more interesting ways for kids to learn the language not effectively scrapping it altogether....JMO.
Compulsory Irish has hardly proven to be a resounding sucess in the schools has it now? Sure why not continue to ram Irish down peoples throarts who are doing ordinary level Irish or foundation level who have no interest in the language. Enda Kenny is also a fluenet Irish speaker and I agree it is part of our culture but lets be realistic here compulsory Irish in the schools has also contributed a lot to the hatred that exists towards the language amongst significant sections of the population. If people don't want to do Irish for the leaving cert they shouldn't have to do it, let them study another subject, the people who want to do Irish will most likely be doing the higher level paper and the people who can't be bothered about Irish are most likely to be sitting the ordinary level or foundation Irish.
Also maybe a greater percentage should be going towards the listening and speaking part of the leaving cert instead of having to regurgitate useless poetry that is irrelevant.
I vote for Podge and Rodge 
Surely they can't do a worse job than the muppets in charge at the moment
Surely they can't do a worse job than the muppets in charge at the moment
DUBLINGUY1973: I was thinking of voting FG but not after today. Their latest election promise is that they are going to make irish optional for the leaving cert. Now i know I am not a fluent speaker and i know people will argue its a dead language but its part of our culture and i think with Europe we are being stripped of our national identity everyday. Instead of making it optional for the leaving certificate, i think they should be promoting it and coming up with new and more interesting ways for kids to learn the language not effectively scrapping it altogether....JMO.
I don't agree with Irish being compulsory in school and the extra points for doing the leaving cert is unfair and just plain wrong,leave it as part of the primary school curriculum so we all have a cupla focail and give pupils a choice after that,, children would be far better off learning other languages such as German or Spanish.
Ken35: Compulsory Irish has hardly proven to be a resounding sucess in the schools has it now? Sure why not continue to ram Irish down peoples throarts who are doing ordinary level Irish or foundation level who have no interest in the language. Enda Kenny is also a fluenet Irish speaker and I agree it is part of our culture but lets be realistic here compulsory Irish in the schools has also contributed a lot to the hatred that exists towards the language amongst significant sections of the population. If people don't want to do Irish for the leaving cert they shouldn't have to do it, let them study another subject, the people who want to do Irish will most likely be doing the higher level paper and the people who can't be bothered about Irish are most likely to be sitting the ordinary level or foundation Irish.
Good point. All the millions wasted on something that everyone knows deep down has failed.
snowlynx: Good point. All the millions wasted on something that everyone knows deep down has failed.
My son hates it,and they are also learning German,id rather he drop the irish and be able to concentrate more on the german...
sugar77: My son hates it,and they are also learning German,id rather he drop the irish and be able to concentrate more on the german...
Yeah it's really unfair, you might have to end up paying a lot for grinds to get him through it. My sister was lucky, her son was exempt from Irish because he was dyslexic. The only advice I could give is maybe watch programmes on TG4. They have some daytime programmes especially for kids which seem to be good.
I don't object to the extra points in the leaving cert for students doing exams through Irish, also regarding Irish It should be compulsory up to Junior cert but after Junior cert it should be optional. I can't see Irish been made optional as FG's most like coalition partners Labour are in favour of keeping Irish compuslory.
Ken35: Compulsory Irish has hardly proven to be a resounding sucess in the schools has it now? Sure why not continue to ram Irish down peoples throarts who are doing ordinary level Irish or foundation level who have no interest in the language. Enda Kenny is also a fluenet Irish speaker and I agree it is part of our culture but lets be realistic here compulsory Irish in the schools has also contributed a lot to the hatred that exists towards the language amongst significant sections of the population. If people don't want to do Irish for the leaving cert they shouldn't have to do it, let them study another subject, the people who want to do Irish will most likely be doing the higher level paper and the people who can't be bothered about Irish are most likely to be sitting the ordinary level or foundation Irish.
i take your point on it, i would leave it compulsory but how it's taught needs to be looked at, most of us learned irish from 4 to 17 or 18 yet to the main our grasp of it is atrocious, there is a lot of indifference to irish but also massive waiting list to get into irish speaking schools, kids love to learn it's in there nature so the problem must be how it's taught i think the 20 year plan for irish is good it's a shame it took nearly 100 years to get it right, labour are going with the 20 year plan too so i can't see irish been dropped
jimbo79: i take your point on it, i would leave it compulsory but how it's taught needs to be looked at, most of us learned irish from 4 to 17 or 18 yet to the main our grasp of it is atrocious, there is a lot of indifference to irish but also massive waiting list to get into irish speaking schools, kids love to learn it's in there nature so the problem must be how it's taught i think the 20 year plan for irish is good it's a shame it took nearly 100 years to get it right, labour are going with the 20 year plan too so i can't see irish been dropped
FG also support the 20 year plan to increase the number of Irish speakers, can I ask you one question whats the point in forcing schoolkids who are doing ordinary level or foundation Irish to continue to do it at Leaving cert when they absolutely hate the subject and would doubtless prefer to be doing another subject. Its not very logical to be trying to force the language down kids throats when they don't want to do it for the leaving cert, also Its not going to be very relevant for them when they finish school.
Okay schoolkids who are fluent or did higher level Irish for the junior cert are likely to continue sturdying Irish for the LC especially schoolkids from Gaeltacht or rural areas. Yep the way its thought needs to be radically changed.
I actually think that making Irish optional would be beneficial for the national language in the long term. People who supported the GAA's ban on so called "foreign games" argued that particpation in gaelic games would decline if the ban was ended, guess what happened GAA became more popular after the ban was ended.
Ken35: FG also support the 20 year plan to increase the number of Irish speakers, can I ask you one question whats the point in forcing schoolkids who are doing ordinary level or foundation Irish to continue to do it at Leaving cert when they absolutely hate the subject and would doubtless prefer to be doing another subject. Its not very logical to be trying to force the language down kids throats when they don't want to do it for the leaving cert, also Its not going to be very relevant for them when they finish school.
Okay schoolkids who are fluent or did higher level Irish for the junior cert are likely to continue sturdying Irish for the LC especially schoolkids from Gaeltacht or rural areas. Yep the way its thought needs to be radically changed.
I actually think that making Irish optional would be beneficial for the national language in the long term. People who supported the GAA's ban on so called "foreign games" argued that particpation in gaelic games would decline if the ban was ended, guess what happened GAA became more popular after the ban was ended.
Okay schoolkids who are fluent or did higher level Irish for the junior cert are likely to continue sturdying Irish for the LC especially schoolkids from Gaeltacht or rural areas. Yep the way its thought needs to be radically changed.
I actually think that making Irish optional would be beneficial for the national language in the long term. People who supported the GAA's ban on so called "foreign games" argued that particpation in gaelic games would decline if the ban was ended, guess what happened GAA became more popular after the ban was ended.
that's a very good point on the gaa it thrived with the competition of other sports, they were forced to modernize and the games became appealing again to a younger generation that had begun to go to other sports
as for irish i think it says a lot for our education system that we don't have bilingual children to me you start with the 3 and 4 year olds and teach both on as close to equal basis as possible, as it stands i can understand people wanting to get rid of it because it's not relevent to most it will never have a use, i see the young polish and latvian kids and there bilingual and it's great to here and in future they will pick up other languages because they are used to learning them
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Wicklow...stephen donnelly is the indepenent..