Sharia law lashing of young man in Sydney (85)
Very sad. I wonder what the law will do to these guys...
To be honest, I don't find this any more alarming or repugnant than the bashing death with a steel bollard of a bikie gang member at Sydney airport, carried out by other members 
Bashings, knifings and general brutality and violence is abhorrent in any society and to me it makes no difference what religion or lifestyle the perpetrators pledge allegiance to.
Bashings, knifings and general brutality and violence is abhorrent in any society and to me it makes no difference what religion or lifestyle the perpetrators pledge allegiance to.
My thoughts here and not intended to be racial .
I only wish Australia had the same laws in cases like this as they do in the us (someone will correct me if I'm wrong)
They have a law if you commit a serious crime you are deported back to the country of your birth.The best examples would be pre WW2 where gangsters of Italian( mainly Sicilians) origins were sent back !!
Perfect solution to some of the vicious crimes being committed in Australia today.
Not just what's written above.
As I said not intended to be racial shouldn't matter who or what you are . If you are that bad send them back to wherever they come from Europe, Africa, Asia where-ever !!!
I only wish Australia had the same laws in cases like this as they do in the us (someone will correct me if I'm wrong)
They have a law if you commit a serious crime you are deported back to the country of your birth.The best examples would be pre WW2 where gangsters of Italian( mainly Sicilians) origins were sent back !!
Perfect solution to some of the vicious crimes being committed in Australia today.
Not just what's written above.
As I said not intended to be racial shouldn't matter who or what you are . If you are that bad send them back to wherever they come from Europe, Africa, Asia where-ever !!!
serene56: To be honest, I don't find this any more alarming or repugnant than the bashing death with a steel bollard of a bikie gang member at Sydney airport, carried out by other members
Bashings, knifings and general brutality and violence is abhorrent in any society and to me it makes no difference what religion or lifestyle the perpetrators pledge allegiance to.
Bashings, knifings and general brutality and violence is abhorrent in any society and to me it makes no difference what religion or lifestyle the perpetrators pledge allegiance to.
Of-course violence is abhorent in any form.
The issue here is much braoder than that. It is about embracing a strict set of laws that essentially override Western legal system. The above article illustrates an example of how certain individuals decided to implement it. As these four men saw it, the fellow who was given the lashings, had broke the law, Sharia law. Punishment was metered out as a consequence of breaking this law. It was based on any other act of violence.
There is a strong movement to implememt Sharia Law as separate from our Legal system. This is what is up for discussion, really.
Nothing surprises me in this freaking freakazoid world all religions are pure evil ARM THE ATHEISTS
venere08: Of-course violence is abhorent in any form.
The issue here is much braoder than that. It is about embracing a strict set of laws that essentially override Western legal system. The above article illustrates an example of how certain individuals decided to implement it. As these four men saw it, the fellow who was given the lashings, had broke the law, Sharia law. Punishment was metered out as a consequence of breaking this law. It was based on any other act of violence.
There is a strong movement to implememt Sharia Law as separate from our Legal system. This is what is up for discussion, really.
The issue here is much braoder than that. It is about embracing a strict set of laws that essentially override Western legal system. The above article illustrates an example of how certain individuals decided to implement it. As these four men saw it, the fellow who was given the lashings, had broke the law, Sharia law. Punishment was metered out as a consequence of breaking this law. It was based on any other act of violence.
There is a strong movement to implememt Sharia Law as separate from our Legal system. This is what is up for discussion, really.
Sorry venere, I wasn't quite sure what the intention was with your thread, I should have asked first
Not sure what you mean by a "wave of violence"?
if you can focus on the issue of one legal system vs another for one moment, how would you vote if we had a referendum(quite a possibility) on introducing Sharia Law as a valid alternative to our legal system.
it has nothing to do with sheer thuggery and violence.
it has nothing to do with sheer thuggery and violence.
jimbob47: My thoughts here and not intended to be racial .
I only wish Australia had the same laws in cases like this as they do in the us (someone will correct me if I'm wrong)
They have a law if you commit a serious crime you are deported back to the country of your birth.The best examples would be pre WW2 where gangsters of Italian( mainly Sicilians) origins were sent back !!
Perfect solution to some of the vicious crimes being committed in Australia today.
Not just what's written above.
As I said not intended to be racial shouldn't matter who or what you are . If you are that bad send them back to wherever they come from Europe, Africa, Asia where-ever !!!
Even third or fourth generation? According to your interpretation of what constitutes to be Australian, I totally agree with you! Give Australia back to the aboriginals and let them decide who is to be sent back…. its only fair I only wish Australia had the same laws in cases like this as they do in the us (someone will correct me if I'm wrong)
They have a law if you commit a serious crime you are deported back to the country of your birth.The best examples would be pre WW2 where gangsters of Italian( mainly Sicilians) origins were sent back !!
Perfect solution to some of the vicious crimes being committed in Australia today.
Not just what's written above.
As I said not intended to be racial shouldn't matter who or what you are . If you are that bad send them back to wherever they come from Europe, Africa, Asia where-ever !!!
venere08: if you can focus on the issue of one legal system vs another for one moment, how would you vote if we had a referendum(quite a possibility) on introducing Sharia Law as a valid alternative to our legal system.
it has nothing to do with sheer thuggery and violence.
it has nothing to do with sheer thuggery and violence.
Hi Venere,
We can't be having laws for the different cultures. Gosh, then we may as well turn this continent into different countries.
Even with our own indigenous, we make them tow the line with our law... even though, in the case of the breakins about 3 years ago, when the group of 49 ers were rampant... and the elders said, "Let us deal with them" and the answer was a NO from the authorities..
venere08: if you can focus on the issue of one legal system vs another for one moment, how would you vote if we had a referendum(quite a possibility) on introducing Sharia Law as a valid alternative to our legal system.
it has nothing to do with sheer thuggery and violence.
it has nothing to do with sheer thuggery and violence.
The implications of letting other beliefs interfere or work outside of existing laws are great. It needs to be stamped out now or we might as well not have a judiciary system and let the devil run a muck.
Merriweather: Hi Venere,
We can't be having laws for the different cultures. Gosh, then we may as well turn this continent into different countries.
Even with our own indigenous, we make them tow the line with our law... even though, in the case of the breakins about 3 years ago, when the group of 49 ers were rampant... and the elders said, "Let us deal with them" and the answer was a NO from the authorities..
We can't be having laws for the different cultures. Gosh, then we may as well turn this continent into different countries.
Even with our own indigenous, we make them tow the line with our law... even though, in the case of the breakins about 3 years ago, when the group of 49 ers were rampant... and the elders said, "Let us deal with them" and the answer was a NO from the authorities..
Exactly, Merriweather.
Mind you, this doesn't stop pointing the bone at someone. Even non-indigenous police are terrified of that as reported to me in the NT, by those who knew such policemen. But that is for a different thread.
venere08: if you can focus on the issue of one legal system vs another for one moment, how would you vote if we had a referendum(quite a possibility) on introducing Sharia Law as a valid alternative to our legal system.
it has nothing to do with sheer thuggery and violence.
it has nothing to do with sheer thuggery and violence.
The country in question's legal system must prevail, just as it does in every other country.
Slightly off topic .. I may be wrong, but I believe that some Aboriginal elders hold the view that tribal punishment should be applied to those who break laws within their communities .. as far as I know this motion hasn't been successful up to now
I know it's different as the Aboriginal people are the original inhabitants of this land, but it's in keeping with this discussion of uniform laws being applied, or not
Sunny75: Yeah because communist Russia & China have been such beacons of non-violence over the years.As for the subject at hand. I'm not to worried by that story. Seems the police are handling it appropriately and as long as the courts treat them the same as any other violent offender, I'll accept justice is done.
The vast majority of the muslims in the country probably condemn such behaviour and it's sensationalising such incidents as these, that gives these wackos a platform to cause trouble from.
The vast majority of the muslims in the country probably condemn such behaviour and it's sensationalising such incidents as these, that gives these wackos a platform to cause trouble from.
serene56: The country in question's legal system must prevail, just as it does in every other country.
Slightly off topic .. I may be wrong, but I believe that some Aboriginal elders hold the view that tribal punishment should be applied to those who break laws within their communities .. as far as I know this motion hasn't been successful up to now
I know it's different as the Aboriginal people are the original inhabitants of this land, but it's in keeping with this discussion of uniform laws being applied, or not
Slightly off topic .. I may be wrong, but I believe that some Aboriginal elders hold the view that tribal punishment should be applied to those who break laws within their communities .. as far as I know this motion hasn't been successful up to now
I know it's different as the Aboriginal people are the original inhabitants of this land, but it's in keeping with this discussion of uniform laws being applied, or not
No, not formally. But who of us sees what goes on out in the bush? It's not you and I, so I can't comment personally, only heresay, which is not admissable as evidence in our courts of law.
Thanks robplum... It does becomes a bit nebulous, but the matter was dealt with under the umbrella of our legal system, and not ever saying that eg spearing replaces western law. It refers to the punishment and associated suffering, sustained by the accused. I guess once the spearing had occurred, it could not be undone, and as far as I am aware, I have not known it to be openly condoned by our courts. It would be interesting and more than that, vital, to find out if it is. There is no room for political correctness when it comes to the law.
just searched on google first link that came up was
identify all traditional offences, punishments and dispute resolution methods employed by Aboriginal people. It is also, as discussed in Part III of this
is a PDF file
identify all traditional offences, punishments and dispute resolution methods employed by Aboriginal people. It is also, as discussed in Part III of this
is a PDF file
Merriweather: You cannot go kicking and whipping people cos you dont agree with them... can you?
or perhaps you live unto your own law??
or perhaps you live unto your own law??
I said a mate! Someone I respect?
The rest off the world can go to hell as far as I am concerned!
I don’t care what you believe in!
oh this page (NSW page) relates to the traditional offences
Merriweather: You cannot go kicking and whipping people cos you dont agree with them... can you?
or perhaps you live unto your own law??
or perhaps you live unto your own law??
Allow me to introduce you to blizzard, merri
We affectionately refer to him as Romper Stomper
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It's starting folks!...I am not here to incite racial or cultural intolerance. I simply wish to alert a wave of violence that is no doubt going to rear its ugly head as the weeks and months go by...against their own kind. Imagine how an infedel or non-Muslim is regarded.
This young man whose home was broken into in the middle of the night, now fears for his life and is witholding further information from authorities....Sorry, but this stuff really gets to me. I am furious, along with members of many Australian Muslims, that anyone dares to commit such practices in a non-Muslim country.
Man bailed over 'sharia law' lashing
Updated July 19, 2011 16:51:38
Police say the ordeal lasted 30 minutes.
Map: Silverwater A 20-year-old man accused of whipping a Sydney man 40 times as part of an alleged sharia law punishment for drinking alcohol has been granted bail.
Police say the 31-year-old victim woke to find four bearded men in his bedroom at Silverwater, in the city's west, about 1:00am (AEST) on Sunday.
The men allegedly held him down on his bed and lashed him with a cable 40 times during the 30-minute ordeal.
The victim has told police he was being punished under sharia law for drinking alcohol.
Detectives arrested the 20-year-old man at his Auburn home last night.
He has been charged with aggravated break and enter as well as maliciously inflicting actual bodily harm - a sentence which carries a maximum jail term of 20 years.
The man faced Burwood Local Court today.
The police prosecutor opposed bail, saying the 20-year-old's actions shows he has no respect for the laws of the state.
But the man's solicitor, Tunc Ozen, said his client was "a person of prior good character" and should be granted bail.
"He does not pose a threat to the community," he said.
Magistrate Tim Keddy said although the 20-year-old's charges were "extremely serious and violent" he believed strict conditional bail was warranted.
He ordered the man to remain at home between 8:00pm and 7:00am and not to leave the residence without his mother or father.
He was also told to surrender his passport and instructed not to visit any airports or other points of departure from Australia.
This afternoon, police charged a second man over the alleged lashing.
The 43-year-old will appear in Burwood Local Court tomorrow.
In the search for the other attackers, police say officers were assaulted by a 16-year-old boy during a search of another Auburn home.
The teenager has been ordered to face court next month charged with assault, resisting arrest and hindering police.
Police say they are still looking for the other attackers.
Representatives of Sydney's Muslim community have condemned the alleged lashing attack.
ABC/AAP