Is the Antichrist coming, or has already come? (408)
I think they are just greedy, driven by money, i guess socialism is encouraged in universities, that they are pissing on the graves of all the soldiers that died trying to contain communism in Korea, Malaya, Borneo and Vietnam. Right now the biggest benefactor of profits out of the Iraq conflict is China, the prime minister of Iraq is currently in China.
Today somebody let a bomb off in Norway, whether linked or not i dunno but some dud in custody also shot 80 or 85 students on Norwegian Island around same time the bob went off.
China didn't like Obama chatting with Dalai Lama, they constantly display there dishonest and lack of human rights and peaceful intentions. Again goes to deeds not the words, the deeds speak lot louder.
I cannot perceive Australian doing anything other than voting with there feet at next election whenever that occurs. Think full blown depression will turn up first
Today somebody let a bomb off in Norway, whether linked or not i dunno but some dud in custody also shot 80 or 85 students on Norwegian Island around same time the bob went off.
China didn't like Obama chatting with Dalai Lama, they constantly display there dishonest and lack of human rights and peaceful intentions. Again goes to deeds not the words, the deeds speak lot louder.
I cannot perceive Australian doing anything other than voting with there feet at next election whenever that occurs. Think full blown depression will turn up first
revealer24: No, I don't follow any of the Greek stuff. Regarding "IsRaEl" this is the funniest I have ever seen. I wonder where you got all this stuff from
Can you please quote me where I translated words from Latin? I never did as I don't know Latin. No mistranslation is done "to keep the faith", that is a gross misinterpretation or misunderstanding of what I said.
the name Israel came from the bible the Genesis. the word itself Genesis also derived from the Egypt Gen meant dead and Isis of course was the goddess. Isis book of the dead became GenIsis or Genesis. However time laps and intentional interpretation by Israelites to make the story their own made it out that god gave that name to Jacob..not sure now. Then there is the story of “Solomon’. which of course the person never existed but it was only a bakery or a house of bread. God gave him the wisdom and he chose to name the region Israel …(a place of many religions) The name Solomon it self is a combination of two words meaning the same thing SOLO and MON.Can you please quote me where I translated words from Latin? I never did as I don't know Latin. No mistranslation is done "to keep the faith", that is a gross misinterpretation or misunderstanding of what I said.
aussielegend41: she wants you rob!
me think so too 
ah your nuts you guys, she loves her teacher mate and you forgot the dogs
AgentAjax: the name Israel came from the bible the Genesis. the word itself Genesis also derived from the Egypt Gen meant dead and Isis of course was the goddess. Isis book of the dead became GenIsis or Genesis. However time laps and intentional interpretation by Israelites to make the story their own made it out that god gave that name to Jacob..not sure now. Then there is the story of “Solomon’. which of course the person never existed but it was only a bakery or a house of bread. God gave him the wisdom and he chose to name the region Israel …(a place of many religions) The name Solomon it self is a combination of two words meaning the same thing SOLO and MON.
You got these back to front.
The Hebrew name of the book is "Beresit" = "Beginning"
The name "Genesis" comes from the Greek "genesis" = "origin".
robplum: ah your nuts you guys, she loves her teacher mate and you forgot the dogs
revealer24: ???? I don't understand what you mean. The Greeks had tons of virgin born god-men saviours and their version of creation with heaps of gods. Zeus (the Greek "theos") simply means "god". The Roman emperor was also a "theos", a "god".
I don't have time to dig into all the Greek mythologies and religions. The Egyptian religion was also very different. They had various gods also. The ten plagues are directed against these Egyptian gods. So no, the Hebrews didn't derive their religion from those of the Egyptians. They had their own religious tradition.
What words are borrowed from where? As I showed you "genesis" in Greek means "origin":, it wasn't derived from "Gen" + "Isis"
What Im saying the word was already there with not that different meaning long before the Greeks put their own spin on it. Im point something out to you Rev… we can put a spin on anything we like with word play. All words arrived from somewhere describing something, if they didn’t they would be meaningless. ie.) Luna from that word alone you have Luna module, circumlunar, cislunar, interlunar, interlunary, lunacies lunacy …etc religion play upon words and similarities.I don't have time to dig into all the Greek mythologies and religions. The Egyptian religion was also very different. They had various gods also. The ten plagues are directed against these Egyptian gods. So no, the Hebrews didn't derive their religion from those of the Egyptians. They had their own religious tradition.
What words are borrowed from where? As I showed you "genesis" in Greek means "origin":, it wasn't derived from "Gen" + "Isis"
AgentAjax: What Im saying the word was already there with not that different meaning long before the Greeks put their own spin on it. Im point something out to you Rev… we can put a spin on anything we like with word play. All words arrived from somewhere describing something, if they didn’t they would be meaningless. ie.) Luna from that word alone you have Luna module, circumlunar, cislunar, interlunar, interlunary, lunacies lunacy …etc religion play upon words and similarities.
Every culture has words that were adopted from other cultures over the history. Hungarians use many foreign words, Turkish use some Hungarian words, etc. The ball-pen was called biro, which was the name of its Hungarian inventor. Or gulash is also a Hungarian name for a particular soup.
When cultures meet they inevitably adopt terms that the other uses to describe something that doesn't exist in one's culture.
The fun begins when a foreigner creates a new term that means one thing in this culture, but a completely different thing in another. So was when the joystick was invented. I won't tell you what that means in Hungarian, but the very word gives me the suspicion that a Hungarian came up with the name.
Yes, similarity of words don't always mean that an idea was adopted from another culture. Hence, the Greek term "genesis" is simply a generic term that was used every day to describe the origin of something - no need to see religious terminology in its use, just as when we say "origin" we don't necessarily means "State of Origin" :-)
True, the Hebrew word used in Isaiah's "behold a virgin shall conceive" is correctly translated as "look, a young maiden is with child", as in NRSV. The term was translated in the LXX using the Greek term "parthenos", which at that time had the same meaning, but sometime later it meant a virgin.
revealer24: Huh, that was a bit complicated to my simple mind :-)
I think agnostics do not try to take a position regarding religion because they say we cannot possibly know if there is a God. I can live with that. But Martia has not shown being an agnostic, rather, she seems to be a strong atheist in what she writes. Beyond that she doesn't seem to agree with the idea that one is allowed to discuss religion on a religious thread
I think the problem is with the website itself. On the international forum you have various divisions, so religion has its own section. In the Australian forum there is no such a division, all posts get dumped on the same page and even though I select "religion" from the drop-down list before posting it, it doesn't seem to show it anywhere, except on the top of the page (that nobody reads) once you read the post.
So I don't hold her guilty for these attacks
I think what I will do is simply go to the international forums where these kinds of posts are tolerated much better.
I think agnostics do not try to take a position regarding religion because they say we cannot possibly know if there is a God. I can live with that. But Martia has not shown being an agnostic, rather, she seems to be a strong atheist in what she writes. Beyond that she doesn't seem to agree with the idea that one is allowed to discuss religion on a religious thread
I think the problem is with the website itself. On the international forum you have various divisions, so religion has its own section. In the Australian forum there is no such a division, all posts get dumped on the same page and even though I select "religion" from the drop-down list before posting it, it doesn't seem to show it anywhere, except on the top of the page (that nobody reads) once you read the post.
So I don't hold her guilty for these attacks
I think what I will do is simply go to the international forums where these kinds of posts are tolerated much better.
If its complicated for your mind imagine what it is doing to others
makes me feel better,in fact there is only one person who understands it and that's the author.Since you have ventured on to other subjects I have not complained once about YOU.
Martia: If its complicated for your mind imagine what it is doing to others makes me feel better,in fact there is only one person who understands it and that's the author.
Since you have ventured on to other subjects I have not complained once about YOU.
Since you have ventured on to other subjects I have not complained once about YOU.
I think you will as I will bring up this subject from time to time 
revealer24: I think you will as I will bring up this subject from time to time
Of course... but as long as you confine them to this thread go for it.
But don't be a stranger on the other threads.
No way am I an Atheist, if I could see proof there was a higher being I would be over the moon.
I AM A REALIST
I AM A REALIST
Martia: No way am I an Atheist, if I could see proof there was a higher being I would be over the moon.
I AM A REALIST
I AM A REALIST
There are many things that we do not see or have no proof of but still believe. For example, dark matter in the universe. A particular theory requires its presence, but what if the theory is wrong? Yet, scientists believe something like 90% (I am not sure of the exact number) of the universe is dark matter and dark energy, which cannot be measured or observed in any way.
revealer24: There are many names that have this or that in it, but not necessarily derived from them. "Israel" is a Hebrew word meaning "the one who strives with God", with "el" referring to "elohim". There are many people whose names contain "el" or "yah".
I would be careful with reading so much into modern words. Evangelicals often claim that Christmas comes from "Christ"+"mass" with "mass" having a Pagan meaning, and Sunday from "Sun"+"day" (the day for the Pagan sun-god), however, if that was the case, why Christmas in Hungarian is "Karácsony" and Sunday is "Vasárnap" ( originating from "market"+"day")?
So no, just because of similarity we don't need to see that one is originated from the other. There are only so many characters in the alphabet and it is inevitable that some of our words will have "Is" or "Hor" in them.
Does horticulture refer to a culture built around Horus?
I would be careful with reading so much into modern words. Evangelicals often claim that Christmas comes from "Christ"+"mass" with "mass" having a Pagan meaning, and Sunday from "Sun"+"day" (the day for the Pagan sun-god), however, if that was the case, why Christmas in Hungarian is "Karácsony" and Sunday is "Vasárnap" ( originating from "market"+"day")?
So no, just because of similarity we don't need to see that one is originated from the other. There are only so many characters in the alphabet and it is inevitable that some of our words will have "Is" or "Hor" in them.
Does horticulture refer to a culture built around Horus?
Im not reading into anything, Im reading, opposing, challenging, every theology that was ever written. The Christian bible expose it self to more challenges then any other previous belief, because it intends to deceive the believers…starting with the flat world theory.. etc There was enough scripture there to form 6 different bibles. At one stage the book of Adam was more popular then any other scripture, yet it was never included. More then half of the scripture was not included because it contradicted already existing theologies as well as the local politics.
I don’t believe for one minute there was a Jesus who cannot be physically proven, yet we have evidence for kings 4000 years BC. The coming of Emmanuel was predicted somewhere between 600 and 400 BC it was inevitable such person was going to either, come or get created. It was easy back then, people followed blindly. If we didn’t have the technology today and people still followed blindly, there would have already been the 2nd coming 11 years ago.
Those word similarities didn’t occur by a mistake, they are hidden information for the wise and the elite, and like it says, “those who truly understand” will be the only ones to benefit.
AgentAjax: Im not reading into anything, Im reading, opposing, challenging, every theology that was ever written. The Christian bible expose it self to more challenges then any other previous belief, because it intends to deceive the believers…starting with the flat world theory.. etc There was enough scripture there to form 6 different bibles. At one stage the book of Adam was more popular then any other scripture, yet it was never included. More then half of the scripture was not included because it contradicted already existing theologies as well as the local politics.
I don’t believe for one minute there was a Jesus who cannot be physically proven, yet we have evidence for kings 4000 years BC. The coming of Emmanuel was predicted somewhere between 600 and 400 BC it was inevitable such person was going to either, come or get created. It was easy back then, people followed blindly. If we didn’t have the technology today and people still followed blindly, there would have already been the 2nd coming 11 years ago.
Those word similarities didn’t occur by a mistake, they are hidden information for the wise and the elite, and like it says, “those who truly understand” will be the only ones to benefit.
I don’t believe for one minute there was a Jesus who cannot be physically proven, yet we have evidence for kings 4000 years BC. The coming of Emmanuel was predicted somewhere between 600 and 400 BC it was inevitable such person was going to either, come or get created. It was easy back then, people followed blindly. If we didn’t have the technology today and people still followed blindly, there would have already been the 2nd coming 11 years ago.
Those word similarities didn’t occur by a mistake, they are hidden information for the wise and the elite, and like it says, “those who truly understand” will be the only ones to benefit.
Interesting theories.
Can you quote me the passage that says the earth is flat? I cannot recall any such verse. The Catholic Church did indeed teach that it, but they didn't derive it from the bible.
Book of Adam? There are many more that were not included for a reason. Maybe because they were not written in the first century. Maybe because their theology was incompatible with the Tanakh and the Renewed Covenant scriptures. The gospel of Mary, and so on were also not. There were heaps of people who wrote in those days their own gospels in the name of biblical heroes and their works were not included.
The coming of the Messiah was predicted in Daniel (seventy sevens prophecy), and because of there was a very fervent Messianic expectation around the time Jesus was born, which many people tried to exploit. The Daniel prophecy also tell us that God's anointed shall be cut off... the reference being to the Messiah ben Joseph, who was to suffer like Joseph himself did when his brethren betrayed him.
Marx's book, "Das Capital" wasn't included either, though he derived his ideas from the Jewish concept of the Kingdom of God.
Regarding who can be proven and who not, history works differently from the way you propose. History examines historical documents and draw conclusions, and there are ample ancient references to Jesus. A few historical persons are known from a single piece of document. Regarding Jesus' existence we have first and second century independent (even opposing) groups, fragments and translations of the gospels, hidden Jewish references to him, etc.
If you like, check out Geza Vermes' works, he is a Jew and certainly is not biased towards believing in Jesus:
It is only the sceptics that are trying hard to remove all religions from the world, so was with no success. They produced a chart of biblical contradictions, I downloaded it and had a look and it just showed they took a mechanical look of the bible without having any understanding of the culture and thought. One such example is who spoke from the burning bush, God of an angel, and surprise surprise they don't understand the concept of the shaliach. In that respect their work is deceptive as it is not based on proper investigation and knowledge.
AgentAjax: Im not reading into anything, Im reading, opposing, challenging, every theology that was ever written. The Christian bible expose it self to more challenges then any other previous belief, because it intends to deceive the believers…starting with the flat world theory.. etc There was enough scripture there to form 6 different bibles. At one stage the book of Adam was more popular then any other scripture, yet it was never included. More then half of the scripture was not included because it contradicted already existing theologies as well as the local politics.
I don’t believe for one minute there was a Jesus who cannot be physically proven, yet we have evidence for kings 4000 years BC. The coming of Emmanuel was predicted somewhere between 600 and 400 BC it was inevitable such person was going to either, come or get created. It was easy back then, people followed blindly. If we didn’t have the technology today and people still followed blindly, there would have already been the 2nd coming 11 years ago.
Those word similarities didn’t occur by a mistake, they are hidden information for the wise and the elite, and like it says, “those who truly understand” will be the only ones to benefit.
I don’t believe for one minute there was a Jesus who cannot be physically proven, yet we have evidence for kings 4000 years BC. The coming of Emmanuel was predicted somewhere between 600 and 400 BC it was inevitable such person was going to either, come or get created. It was easy back then, people followed blindly. If we didn’t have the technology today and people still followed blindly, there would have already been the 2nd coming 11 years ago.
Those word similarities didn’t occur by a mistake, they are hidden information for the wise and the elite, and like it says, “those who truly understand” will be the only ones to benefit.
The second coming has occurred in 70AD. Before that time they were already in the last days (as John said, "the last hour").
revealer24: The second coming has occurred in 70AD. Before that time they were already in the last days (as John said, "the last hour").
yeh prob my second too Lookin4missright: yeh prob my second too
you should get out more then revealer24: The second coming has occurred in 70AD. Before that time they were already in the last days (as John said, "the last hour").
Gee, thats a ruddy good interpretation, I would never have thought of that one. So means I dont benefit coz I dont understand. The last days of what? Harvey Norman sale maybe.More Threads
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